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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1349
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:28:00 -
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Seems dedicated infantry don't want tankers to be fully effective when 1.7 comes, thus why so many are against a respec. Can't keep the status quo of all infantry all the time if you have people with decent tanks rolling around. So, infantry will deny us filling out our role's trees again, and force us to have to grind for many months trying to get any kind of decent tank.
I see how it is.
Discuss
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Delta90212
Dust2Dust. Top Men.
77
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:32:00 -
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I think most people are against a full respec and not a partial respec.
Fear my Minmatarian brothers.
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hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
531
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:34:00 -
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Just give a full respec when new content or a change to the skill system comes and everyone will be happy...
The best defense in not a good offense, it's a good defense.
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Freshticles
DIOS EX. Top Men.
280
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:35:00 -
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Delta90212 wrote:I think most people are against a full respec and not a partial respec. Exept the partial respec screws more people over than the full respec. It's illogical. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1349
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:35:00 -
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Delta90212 wrote:I think most people are against a full respec and not a partial respec. See... we chose our role, filled it up, then went for infantry because it's cheaper and can be used in more roles, thus being more effective. Now, if we want to continue tanking, we're going to need all the SP in infantry back, so we can again go for proficiency in our chosen role.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1780
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:37:00 -
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I planned for the vehicle tree, i worked it out how much SP it would take for me to spec it out, i planned ahead
Once i specced out my vehicle tree i started planning for the pilot suits, they never arrived but i managed to save up 8mil SP
No more vehicles were arriving and the vehicle patch was way off in the future, could have been a year maybe more so i spent my SP on a secondary role
Now CCP has changed the amount of SP needed to be a vehicle specialist by a factor of 3, the amount i have now will not cover what i need in 1.7
I need my SP out of infantry to be even close to what i can do now in 1.7
I planned ahead and finished the vehicle tree, now CCP has changed the SP amount so its more of a sink so i now need even more SP to spec out in the vehicle tree
I made my choices, i planned it out and finished the vehicle tree which made me competitve in PC, im happy with my SP in where they are, but between vehicles and infantry i want to go full vehicles and the amount of SP needed in 1.7 has gone up by a factor of 3
In 1.6 i had access to every mod and vehicle (not lolenforcers)
Now i need to put every SP i have into vehicles because they changed it all around and increased the amount needed |
Syeven Reed
RETR0 PR0 GAMERS
176
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:38:00 -
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I think the worry is that the 99% of Dust when speccing into a role have wasted SP into things they don't want and/or will ever use. Tankers will not have this problem come the partial respec.
For the record I'm on the fence about respecs in general, I understand that they are a stupid idea to implement. But when a game gets release with this many "place-holders", what do you expect people to want?
Gÿé Syeven 514
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chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
82
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:39:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Seems dedicated infantry don't want tankers to be fully effective when 1.7 comes, thus why so many are against a respec. Can't keep the status quo of all infantry all the time if you have people with decent tanks rolling around. So, infantry will deny us filling out our role's trees again, and force us to have to grind for many months trying to get any kind of decent tank.
I see how it is.
Discuss I don't see why you would still want to tank... they are just changing the numbers.... believe it or not they are the same as they were before, just removing mods and changing the cooldown time from 10 to 30. seriously do the numbers man, they are just masking everything |
hackerzilla
Defenders of the Helghast Dream
531
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:40:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:I planned for the vehicle tree, i worked it out how much SP it would take for me to spec it out, i planned ahead
Once i specced out my vehicle tree i started planning for the pilot suits, they never arrived but i managed to save up 8mil SP
No more vehicles were arriving and the vehicle patch was way off in the future, could have been a year maybe more so i spent my SP on a secondary role
Now CCP has changed the amount of SP needed to be a vehicle specialist by a factor of 3, the amount i have now will not cover what i need in 1.7
I need my SP out of infantry to be even close to what i can do now in 1.7
I planned ahead and finished the vehicle tree, now CCP has changed the SP amount so its more of a sink so i now need even more SP to spec out in the vehicle tree
I made my choices, i planned it out and finished the vehicle tree which made me competitve in PC, im happy with my SP in where they are, but between vehicles and infantry i want to go full vehicles and the amount of SP needed in 1.7 has gone up by a factor of 3
In 1.6 i had access to every mod and vehicle (not lolenforcers)
Now i need to put every SP i have into vehicles because they changed it all around and increased the amount needed But what if your plan was changed by a nerf?
The best defense in not a good offense, it's a good defense.
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chase rowland
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
82
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:43:00 -
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hackerzilla wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:I planned for the vehicle tree, i worked it out how much SP it would take for me to spec it out, i planned ahead
Once i specced out my vehicle tree i started planning for the pilot suits, they never arrived but i managed to save up 8mil SP
No more vehicles were arriving and the vehicle patch was way off in the future, could have been a year maybe more so i spent my SP on a secondary role
Now CCP has changed the amount of SP needed to be a vehicle specialist by a factor of 3, the amount i have now will not cover what i need in 1.7
I need my SP out of infantry to be even close to what i can do now in 1.7
I planned ahead and finished the vehicle tree, now CCP has changed the SP amount so its more of a sink so i now need even more SP to spec out in the vehicle tree
I made my choices, i planned it out and finished the vehicle tree which made me competitve in PC, im happy with my SP in where they are, but between vehicles and infantry i want to go full vehicles and the amount of SP needed in 1.7 has gone up by a factor of 3
In 1.6 i had access to every mod and vehicle (not lolenforcers)
Now i need to put every SP i have into vehicles because they changed it all around and increased the amount needed But what if your plan was changed by a nerf? they are being nerfed, severely. they made the cooldown terrible and took away mods. plus making it cost more SP to do it. |
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
1783
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:44:00 -
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hackerzilla wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:I planned for the vehicle tree, i worked it out how much SP it would take for me to spec it out, i planned ahead
Once i specced out my vehicle tree i started planning for the pilot suits, they never arrived but i managed to save up 8mil SP
No more vehicles were arriving and the vehicle patch was way off in the future, could have been a year maybe more so i spent my SP on a secondary role
Now CCP has changed the amount of SP needed to be a vehicle specialist by a factor of 3, the amount i have now will not cover what i need in 1.7
I need my SP out of infantry to be even close to what i can do now in 1.7
I planned ahead and finished the vehicle tree, now CCP has changed the SP amount so its more of a sink so i now need even more SP to spec out in the vehicle tree
I made my choices, i planned it out and finished the vehicle tree which made me competitve in PC, im happy with my SP in where they are, but between vehicles and infantry i want to go full vehicles and the amount of SP needed in 1.7 has gone up by a factor of 3
In 1.6 i had access to every mod and vehicle (not lolenforcers)
Now i need to put every SP i have into vehicles because they changed it all around and increased the amount needed But what if your plan was changed by a nerf?
Tanks have been nerfed for the past 6months and thensome, so ive benn nerfed and been playing with a nerfed playstyle for a long time
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1351
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:53:00 -
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chase rowland wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Seems dedicated infantry don't want tankers to be fully effective when 1.7 comes, thus why so many are against a respec. Can't keep the status quo of all infantry all the time if you have people with decent tanks rolling around. So, infantry will deny us filling out our role's trees again, and force us to have to grind for many months trying to get any kind of decent tank.
I see how it is.
Discuss I don't see why you would still want to tank... they are just changing the numbers.... believe it or not they are the same as they were before, just removing mods and changing the cooldown time from 10 to 30. seriously do the numbers man, they are just masking everything You don't say....................
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Jadd Hatchen
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
65
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:53:00 -
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Freshticles wrote:Delta90212 wrote:I think most people are against a full respec and not a partial respec. Exept the partial respec screws more people over than the full respec. It's illogical.
THIS!
They (the devs) said respec would happen and then changed it to partial only. They (the devs) only provided partial tools when game was implemented. So this is what happens:
Guy A wants to spec into Amarr only: Amarr Assault Suit, check Amarr Sidearm, check (scrambler pistol) Amarr Rifle, check (scrambler rifle) Good to go!
Guy wanting to spec into Minmatar only: Minmatar Assault Suit, check Minmatar Sidearm, check (even though Flaylock says it's Minmatar, it's actually the SMG so likely to get confused and get wrong one) Minmatar Rifle... um, nothing available... What to do? Well AR is a projectile weapon right? so use that? WTF?
So WTF, how is this one simple situation supposed to be balance? It gets a whole lot worse and lopsided and screwwed up if you apply it to heavy suits (only Amarr available duh) and heavy weapons or with vehicles (only Galente and Caldari available wtf?).
So what happens to all the players that wanted to stay and specialize into only one race's stuff? They just get screwed over and have to waste all that time and SP?
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1351
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:55:00 -
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Jadd Hatchen wrote:Freshticles wrote:Delta90212 wrote:I think most people are against a full respec and not a partial respec. Exept the partial respec screws more people over than the full respec. It's illogical. THIS! They (the devs) said respec would happen and then changed it to partial only. They (the devs) only provided partial tools when game was implemented. So this is what happens: Guy A wants to spec into Amarr only: Amarr Assault Suit, check Amarr Sidearm, check (scrambler pistol) Amarr Rifle, check (scrambler rifle) Good to go! Guy wanting to spec into Minmatar only: Minmatar Assault Suit, check Minmatar Sidearm, check (even though Flaylock says it's Minmatar, it's actually the SMG so likely to get confused and get wrong one) Minmatar Rifle... um, nothing available... What to do? Well AR is a projectile weapon right? so use that? WTF? So WTF, how is this one simple situation supposed to be balance? It gets a whole lot worse and lopsided and screwwed up if you apply it to heavy suits (only Amarr available duh) and heavy weapons or with vehicles (only Galente and Caldari available wtf?). So what happens to all the players that wanted to stay and specialize into only one race's stuff? They just get screwed over and have to waste all that time and SP? Seems the only ones not complaining about everything racial are tankers...
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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