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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:50:00 -
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People always say they are OP, but to be honest it is really just due to there being proto versions of these weapons as well as damage proficiency.
Even when you get killed by a standard 'Exile' AR, you should consider that the guy may have 25% less recoil, 15% more damage, 25% more ammo in his magazine and 25% faster reload. Through skills you can make standard weapons even better than a plain weapon at proto level.
The point I want to make is that any weapon can be as "OP" as a Duvolle or Imperial. Even the Plasma Cannon, which last week I saw a Proto Gallante Logi get killed by just the splash alone.
Every weapon has the potential to be OP and I think that is fair.
Except... for small rails, they are they are useless, just-just wow.
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Generals
EoN.
236
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:54:00 -
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No I run a STD minmatar Logi to make money for my tanks I use an AR (STD) with very little points in it only operation lvl5 and using 0 dmg modifiers I still burn through advanced and proto gear.
Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........
Tanker/Logi
Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1331
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Posted - 2013.11.24 23:56:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:No I run a STD minmatar Logi to make money for my tanks I use an AR with very little points in it only operation lvl5 and using 0 dmg modifiers I still burn through advanced and proto gear.
I could do the same with a Recruit AR and a Toxin SMG. All on a Starter Fit
Check out my corp's new website here :D
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DeadlyAztec11
2248
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Posted - 2013.11.25 00:08:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:No I run a STD minmatar Logi to make money for my tanks I use an AR (STD) with very little points in it only operation lvl5 and using 0 dmg modifiers I still burn through advanced and proto gear.
Yeah, but anyone who stands still long enough to let you do that deserves to eat the Dust.
My Militia Scrambler Pistol can kill any suit without reloading. My Breach Scrambler Pistol can kill two Proto mediums before reloading and my Advanced Scrambler Pistol can duel at up to 50 meters. Is it OP? No. If everybody had proto would people suddenly change their minds? Yes.
More of a problem with how many people use these weapons then an actual issue with these weapons.
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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Poplo Furuya
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
724
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Posted - 2013.11.25 00:35:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:No I run a STD minmatar Logi to make money for my tanks I use an AR (STD) with very little points in it only operation lvl5 and using 0 dmg modifiers I still burn through advanced and proto gear. Yeah, but anyone who stands still long enough to let you do that deserves to eat the Dust. My Militia Scrambler Pistol can kill any suit without reloading. My Breach Scrambler Pistol can kill two Proto mediums before reloading and my Advanced Scrambler Pistol can duel at up to 50 meters. Is it OP? No. If everybody had proto would people suddenly change their minds? Yes. More of a problem with how many people use these weapons then an actual issue with these weapons.
Am I taking you too literally or did ScPs receive a major buff to range? I've been away some months.
As for ScRs and ARs... the problem was more that, last I knew, they were -too- versatile. Competes with LRs at their own range, more or less, isn't far behind shotguns in the CQC stakes. Has the drawbacks of neither. That said the ScP is in fact the premier CQC weapon, not the shotgun.
They're also boring. Large magazines, accurate, not much recoil. |
Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
1716
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:22:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:People always say they are OP, but to be honest it is really just due to there being proto versions of these weapons as well as damage proficiency.
Even when you get killed by a standard 'Exile' AR, you should consider that the guy may have 25% less recoil, 15% more damage, 25% more ammo in his magazine and 25% faster reload. Through skills you can make standard weapons even better than a plain weapon at proto level.
The point I want to make is that any weapon can be as "OP" as a Duvolle or Imperial. Even the Plasma Cannon, which last week I saw a Proto Gallante Logi get killed by just the splash alone.
Every weapon has the potential to be OP and I think that is fair.
Except... for small rails, they are they are useless, just-just wow.
This is correct, I still get raped while in my Proto Suit with an Imperial 
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
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Spectre-M
The Generals
EoN.
118
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Posted - 2013.11.25 01:57:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:People always say they are OP, but to be honest it is really just due to there being proto versions of these weapons as well as damage proficiency.
Even when you get killed by a standard 'Exile' AR, you should consider that the guy may have 25% less recoil, 15% more damage, 25% more ammo in his magazine and 25% faster reload. Through skills you can make standard weapons even better than a plain weapon at proto level.
The point I want to make is that any weapon can be as "OP" as a Duvolle or Imperial. Even the Plasma Cannon, which last week I saw a Proto Gallante Logi get killed by just the splash alone.
Every weapon has the potential to be OP and I think that is fair.
Except... for small rails, they are they are useless, just-just wow. This is correct, I still get raped while in my Proto Suit with an Imperial
We had a crazy game yesterday shooting imperials at each other. Finally got amarr assault lvl 5. I'm still getting use to the charged shot. It's funny how the scr hasn't changed...ever. People are just complaining now because it has cqc potential in short quick charges. It's better than cooking a grenade around the corner. |
Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
1718
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Posted - 2013.11.25 02:00:00 -
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Spectre-M wrote:We had a crazy game yesterday shooting imperials at each other. Finally got amarr assault lvl 5. I'm still getting use to the charged shot. It's funny how the scr hasn't changed...ever. People are just complaining now because it has cqc potential in short quick charges. It's better than cooking a grenade around the corner.
Yes, I remember that :D I did terrible :/ It was a good game, although my blueberries were useless, and you guys fought well :)
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
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Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training
EoN.
2366
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Posted - 2013.11.25 02:08:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:...25% more ammo in his magazine...
I think you might be confusing this with maximum ammo capacity, you can't actually increase the size of your magazine unless you are using a sidearm on a Min assault.
Been Logistics since before it was cool.
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POWERTRAP EDDIEKANEJR
Sanmatar Kelkoons
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.11.25 02:18:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:People always say they are OP, but to be honest it is really just due to there being proto versions of these weapons as well as damage proficiency.
Even when you get killed by a standard 'Exile' AR, you should consider that the guy may have 25% less recoil, 15% more damage, 25% more ammo in his magazine and 25% faster reload. Through skills you can make standard weapons even better than a plain weapon at proto level.
The point I want to make is that any weapon can be as "OP" as a Duvolle or Imperial. Even the Plasma Cannon, which last week I saw a Proto Gallante Logi get killed by just the splash alone.
Every weapon has the potential to be OP and I think that is fair.
Except... for small rails, they are they are useless, just-just wow.
First off its rare to find a player with their AR skills maxed and still be able to kill without getting killed because they would have no real skills elsewhere. But if you check the numbers price, clip, damage, etc. The Proto. Scrambler rifle if wayy to strong. Ive seen proto Scrambler rifles go empty clip and not overheat. They eat thru sheilds and armor like its nothing why the duvolle tac get nerfed but that imperial and carthum got crazy on the battlefield lemme get 5+hp to my duvolle then I would care less at least I would have a better chance to stand against a proto scramble rifle operator. And whats worst the first charged blast is the one that gets me give that gun some balance. Im 21mil sp in im not complaining im just tryin to be "CCP" fair. But then I know what it is CCP Wolfman just loves the scrambler rifle so no wonder we cant get a reconsideration for some trim to The scrambler rifle HP but hey I like to play dust ill just work around it. |
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Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
1349
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Posted - 2013.11.25 02:20:00 -
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It still should not kill me in less than a secondbecause this is a TRACKING shooter, remember?
"Please don't"
GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
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Jacques Cayton II
Providence Guard
Templis Dragonaors
118
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Posted - 2013.11.25 02:24:00 -
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Yea cool....... I use an hmg soooooo stop complaining at least yyou reticle works mine works like a laser rifle. Darn cone doesn't even matter
We fight for the future of the State not our
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CharCharOdell
1669
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Posted - 2013.11.25 04:32:00 -
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same problem we had with sagaris and rails with dmods in chrome.
you could 1 shot a turret with a regular particle cannon if u maxed your skills and put 2 damage mods on it.
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Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2013.11.25 10:21:00 -
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Jacques Cayton II wrote:Yea cool....... I use an hmg soooooo stop complaining at least yyou reticle works mine works like a laser rifle. Darn cone doesn't even matter
I am really surprised that people did not know this... I figured that out the first time I ever used the HMG.
And people called me crazy forsaying I got head shots for days... 
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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DeadlyAztec11
2255
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Posted - 2013.11.25 10:22:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:...25% more ammo in his magazine... I think you might be confusing this with maximum ammo capacity, you can't actually increase the size of your magazine unless you are using a sidearm on a Min assault.
Fixed, thanks :)
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
262
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Posted - 2013.11.25 10:33:00 -
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Well if you compare th SCR to Tac AR it will be OP when 1.7 hits. If its OP right now (compared to Tac) is debattable.
The Tac AR currently has more Range (if my numbers are correct ist 50 optimal for the SCR and 65 for the Tac so roughly 30% more optimal Range for the Tac) and the SCR has nearly twice the DPS.
Yes I know there is an overheating mechanic in place but lets be serius you can get roughly up to 18 shots before overheating (more if you use Amarr Assaultsuit) thats a Tac AR clip, so while the SCR user has to wait till the weapon cools down the Tar AR user has to reload. So both cycles are quite comparable.
And if you look at the LR another weapon where CP decides to put in overheating as a balancing factor, CCP believes that overheating was not enough so they gave the LR a small optimal range and a harsh damage fall off and this despite the fact that the SCR can dish out more DPS...
When 1.7 hit the SCR will have more Range and nearly twice the DPS compared to the Tac AR and then there is a serius balancing issue. |
Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
915
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Posted - 2013.11.25 10:34:00 -
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Scrambler Pistol is gnarly. Stop hating.
... Oh. We're not talking about the pistol? Damn. Hate on!
You know, sometimes I wonder. Would people here do the worm if you took their crutches away? They're helpless as is.
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Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
1063
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Posted - 2013.11.25 10:37:00 -
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Hold on, your telling me the lack of recoil, dispersion and overly powerful damage don't make it OP?
Ok, excuse me while I go and rewrite the laws of physics.
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Sgt Buttscratch
R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2013.11.25 13:44:00 -
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In terms of ehp amounts, ease of use ttk blaw blaw blaw, AR and Scr are out of whack. A specialized weapon designed for OHK in real life(sniper rifle) in dust can take several shoots to take someone down, suffering from shield flare if you try ue te tacticals, AR and scr kill targets from a good range with immense speed of kill.
Whenever another weapon has steped out of line the AR514 crew have made sure it doesn't hinder their play al over the forums, flaylock, was a little OP, they took all the fun and oOOOmph from it fast tho, Mass driver, worked bad then good and now AR/SCR have made it an iffy choice, Lazer rifles were cutting through the Gallente Logi's armor so it got a nerf. The lazer rifle didn't cut through armor aswell as the SCR does, but gallente logi's prefer the SCR to the laser.
All in all AR/SCR and most probably the 2 new mid range rifle breeds are out of whack, and need calming down.
I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas
Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1492
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Posted - 2013.11.25 14:06:00 -
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Sgt Buttscratch wrote:In terms of ehp amounts, ease of use ttk blaw blaw blaw, AR and Scr are out of whack. A specialized weapon designed for OHK in real life(sniper rifle) in dust can take several shoots to take someone down, suffering from shield flare if you try ue te tacticals, AR and scr kill targets from a good range with immense speed of kill.
Whenever another weapon has steped out of line the AR514 crew have made sure it doesn't hinder their play al over the forums, flaylock, was a little OP, they took all the fun and oOOOmph from it fast tho, Mass driver, worked bad then good and now AR/SCR have made it an iffy choice, Lazer rifles were cutting through the Gallente Logi's armor so it got a nerf. The lazer rifle didn't cut through armor aswell as the SCR does, but gallente logi's prefer the SCR to the laser.
All in all AR/SCR and most probably the 2 new mid range rifle breeds are out of whack, and need calming down.
Your in my local in game, isn't it marvellous 
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
Fix PC lag please CCP.
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Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
1358
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Posted - 2013.11.25 14:32:00 -
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Step 1: create new character
Step 2: skill into heavy suit
Step 3: get instantly melted (less than 1.5 seconds) by militia assault rifles in the academy, meaning they don't have damage mods or any proficiency skill.
Step 4: try and convince me that the assault rifle is not op.
"Please don't"
GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
359
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Posted - 2013.11.25 14:39:00 -
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People die way to fast... If im on this character with maxed AR skills and 2 damage mods...
or a Medic Alt with 3m SP and lvl 3 assault rifle...
I can fit more kills into one clip... but still the same result's.
Killing people this quick in this game... is boring. Maybe fun for some.... Pubstomp's are at an all time nasty level's... We will arrive at a group of redberry's and they are dead before you can reload. there is no prolonged gunfight..
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