| Pages: 1 :: [one page] |
|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
228
   |
Posted - 2013.11.24 21:32:00 -
[1] - Quote
Before Hitting ALL the logi with the Nerf Hammer why don't try a simple solution.
-Make all Equip slot mandatory for fittings (like weapon)
-ONE and only ONE of them must be on par (or higher) with the meta LVL of the suit.
END of assault Logi, without nerf who play logi right.
Anyone can think CONS to this idea??
...and may the FORGE be with you.
|
Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
228
|
Posted - 2013.11.25 02:07:00 -
[2] - Quote
no one? really?
...and may the FORGE be with you.
|
Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe PC
RISE of LEGION
1013
|
Posted - 2013.11.25 02:29:00 -
[3] - Quote
Oh there are plenty of cons we are just tired of talking about them.
Fun > Realism
|
Ecshon Autorez
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
164
|
Posted - 2013.11.25 06:40:00 -
[4] - Quote
Jastad wrote:ONE and only ONE of them must be on par (or higher) with the meta LVL of the suit.
...
Anyone can think CONS to this idea??
I can.
My Minmatar Proto logi doesn't have PRO level equipment. Why not? because I don't have any. Why don't I have any? I'm skilling into my modules first. Why am I doing that? Why would I run in a PRO suit with 4 (or even just 1) pieces of PRO equipment, a PRO weapon, and then my shield extenders, ferroscale plates, and armor repairers (+ all my other modules) are all STD? I'd die in a few hits and lose all that isk, also:
I can't help you if I'm dead.
I just finished shield extension and am about to get armor repair systems finished, then armor plates for my ferroscale plates. Then I can move onto my counter for active scanning: Maxed range amplification, precision enhancement, and profile dampening with modules for scan precision and range amplification. Why would I waste an equipment slot for an active scanner when my passive scanning picks up everyone within about 20 meters except those with under 36dB profile? (and an ADV active scaner has 36dB precision, so I'm a walking close range ADV active scanner that's always on) (I used theDust 514 Fitting Tool to find out the stats.) (ya, I know active scanners have 100m range)
Side note: Meta level of all PRO Logistics suits is 7, there are no ISK nanite injectors or drop uplinks with that Meta level forcing people to use the AUR variants and the standard variant for the repair tool is only Meta level 6, forcing someone to use one of the other variants.
Another side note: It's possible someone might run out of CPU/PG before their last piece of equipment because the others use up so much, forcing them to swap out a module or equipment. Right now I'm having to use a CPU upgrade because I've got a Drop Uplink as my last piece. I don't really like using it (since so many other people do it's redundant) but I carry it around since I don't have a reason to double up and I like it better than REs and Active Scanners, but I'd definitely swap it out if we got these.
Now for something petty:
Jastad wrote:-Make all Equip slot mandatory for fittings (like weapon)
You don't need to fill all weapon slots on an assault suit to make it valid. Or fit a heavy weapon on a Sentinel. |
Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
229
|
Posted - 2013.11.25 11:14:00 -
[5] - Quote
Ecshon Autorez wrote: CUT.
That is the whole thing: you are using your suit FIRST for fight and on a side note, to help your team.
your point crumble on itself: Why use a Proto LOGI if you don't have PROTO equip to carry? the extra CPU/PG serves that purpose.
THATS right, cause the whole idea is to FORCE people how use logi as assault to left the Logi class to play it's role, without nerf who play logi correctly.
EDIT: this is made for make something before crazy people spread crazy idea : LOLSIDEARM-logi, -10% dmg, or other crazy ****.
and before CCP take out the Hammer, because we all know what happen when ccl take out that thing.
Feel free to trust me, i'm an Heavy
...and may the FORGE be with you.
|
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
265
|
Posted - 2013.11.25 12:59:00 -
[6] - Quote
Jastad wrote:Ecshon Autorez wrote: CUT. That is the whole thing: you are using your suit FIRST for fight and on a side note, to help your team. your point crumble on itself: Why use a Proto LOGI if you don't have PROTO equip to carry? the extra CPU/PG serves that purpose. THATS right, cause the whole idea is to FORCE people how use logi as assault to left the Logi class to play it's role, without nerf who play logi correctly. EDIT: this is made for make something before crazy people spread crazy idea : LOLSIDEARM-logi, -10% dmg, or other crazy ****. and before CCP take out the Hammer, because we all know what happen when ccl take out that thing. Feel free to trust me, i'm an Heavy
Well honestly I am all againt a solution that creates another suit specific exception to the sandbox approach. CCP should just rethink the whole Logistic concept. Maybe they should just remove the suit from the game and refund any SP spent into that suit until they get this thing fixed.
They should do the same with scouts as CCP already said they won't fix them until they release the missing scout suits. That means they will leave anybody speced into scouts with a gimped suit.
I really don't think the Logi is a better slayer and I think most complains don't come from there.
I guess the real reason ist the Logi suit can get a huge amount of WP's without killing and people are upset to be placed behind someeone with less kills that has way more WP.
And to some degree they are right there is no suit out there that can get a comparable amount of WP by just fullfilling his role. |
Jammer Jalapeno
BIG BAD W0LVES
71
|
Posted - 2013.11.25 17:33:00 -
[7] - Quote
Yea ..............NO! Bad idea
MmMmMm TanKs....delicious TanKs
|
Ecshon Autorez
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
164
|
Posted - 2013.11.25 21:34:00 -
[8] - Quote
Jastad wrote:That is the whole thing: you are using your suit FIRST for fight and on a side note, to help your team.
your point crumble on itself: Why use a Proto LOGI if you don't have PROTO equip to carry? the extra CPU/PG serves that purpose.
THATS right, cause the whole idea is to FORCE people how use logi as assault to left the Logi class to play it's role, without nerf who play logi correctly.
EDIT: this is made for make something before crazy people spread crazy idea : LOLSIDEARM-logi, -10% dmg, or other crazy ****.
and before CCP take out the Hammer, because we all know what happen when ccl take out that thing.
Feel free to trust me, i'm an Heavy
I never said anything about using it to fight first and assist second. I never mentioned going for offensive things, only defensive and support things.
I don't know, maybe the 4 equipment slots allowing me to be versatile with my equipment?
I have 4/4/4 since I use mk.0.
2 high are shield extenders, one is shield recharger, last is precision enhancer.
1 low is armor rep, 1 low is CPU enhancer (I dropped my shield regulator for it, an assault logi wouldn't do that (unless it was for more damage mods)), 1 low is (currently, I'm swapping it once level 5 profile dampening) a profile dampener, and 1 is a ferroscale plate.
I carry rep tool, nanite injector, nanohives, and drop uplink.
I could easily make a god fit using the CPU/PG (only lack of skills would stop me) but instead I go for defense and squad bonus modules, why? I use myself as a shield to save my teammates who would otherwise die, so I need the extra HP. Thanks to that small amount of tank I can revive someone mid firefight and get them to cover by using myself as a shield. (how much HP does you heavy fit have total? I've seen mk.0 Assault Logis, they can have almost 500hp shields. I only just reached 500 TOTAL hp.)
Only reason I have to give up a low for CPU upgrade is because of the Drop Uplink. I could drop that and grab a PRO damage mod or another shield extender in high and another armor rep or some more plates in low. Not to mention it would open up an equipment slot. If a person is going assault logi I rarely see then carry a rep tool, let alone a nanite injector, so they'd be open too.
If we're going into an enemy firing line and we've got a heavy (or even an armor tanked Assault) instead of going out with my Imperial Scrambler Rifle (which isn't even maxed prof. since I'm prioritizing other things before my own damage output) I'll get my rep tool on him and keep him alive (which, as a heavy, I'm sure you appreciate).
I've gone out on top of hills with zero cover and enemy spawns right on the other side and snipers watching so I could revive one soldier and then use myself as a shield while repping him as we run for cover. Have I died from this? Not since I got my PRO shield extenders. Has the other player died from this? Only when they stand still and don't run or there's a sniper in another direction that I didn't know about who I couldn't shield him from.
And again, it comes back to this: I can't help you if I'm dead.
Would you prefer a PRO logi with all PRO equipment that can't even come within 100m of the front lines because they die in two bullets, or a PRO logi with passive scan bonuses for his squad, the hp to use himself as a human shield, the willingness to risk sniper fire to revive one STD clone, good FPS skills and damage output, and able to fight on the front lines, but with lower level equipment? Answer this in your next reply or I'll assume you aren't even reading my argument and are just blindly saying I'm wrong and you're right, in which case, why am I even bothering to put thought into this?
If we got these, I'd go straight for the 'Sheperd' variant so I could protect my teammates better.
I've been a LogiBro since I started back in closed beta. Just because we focus on assisting our team doesn't mean we're stupid or bad at the game.
I'm using 4 BPOs in my fitting and the only PRO things are the suit itself, my weapon, the 2 shield extenders and the shield recharger. It costs 129,040 ISK. If I die 3 times in one battle I have a net loss of ISK, because the highest I can remember earning was just over 300k.
Why would I make a fitting that potentially costs more than that with about the same survivability as a starter suit? It only just passed one of my starter suit/BPO fits in total HP when I got the 2 PRO shield extenders and the STD ferroscale plate.
So I'm definitely not running a tanky assault logi or a glass cannon assault logi as I have no damage mods and only level 3 Scrambler Rifle Proficiency and still have modules and equipment I could swap out for more tank or offense.
If this happened Logis wouldn't be nerfed, their teams would be. A wallet conscience logi wouldn't equip their higher suits until they've gotten the skills to make it survivable and to still be able to do their job.
If I had all my SP in modules and weapons moved to my equipment I'd stop being a logi (for the time being) because I wouldn't be able to do my job anymore. Logis would become the absolute go to target until later on once people have enough SP to max suits, weapons, equipment, and modules of their choosing. Than it'd just revert back to what it is now. But until then a logi might survive a 1-2 seconds out of cover in a firefight, even if he wasn't the only one out of cover and he wasn't even firing.
Although I do applaud you for putting more thought into the "Make all equipment slots required." idea with the bit about Meta levels, whenever I see someone say "Make all equipment slots required, force them to use their CPU/PG for equipment and not modules." I just think how an assault logi would just equip MLT/STD nanohives in all slots and continue, now with extra ammo. |
|
|
| |
|
| Pages: 1 :: [one page] |