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DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2196	Posted - 2013.11.23 15:21:00 - [1] - Quote There is no indicator! Back in Chromosome there was an indicator. It showed a little circle around the grenade and an arrow if it was outside your field of view. Near the end of Chromosome I think that it was even highlighted when it was in the user's hand. We need that back! No damage nerf or range nerf! Just some indicators! Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Cody Sietz Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 1527	Posted - 2013.11.23 15:36:00 - [2] - Quote It would also be nice if we could toss them back.
Lazy Scumbag Intara Direct Action Caldari State 69	Posted - 2013.11.23 15:40:00 - [3] - Quote The damage calculator for grenades is ridiculous. How can it be explained that armor+ explosive damage somehow interact causing increased damage?
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2299	Posted - 2013.11.23 15:40:00 - [4] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: It would also be nice if we could toss them back. How long do you think the timers on these are? +1 OP Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 A grunt of STB
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS 794	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:06:00 - [5] - Quote Remove the grenade slot from logi suits, all will be well in the world. Imo. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 864	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:20:00 - [6] - Quote The issue with Grenades is that they are both OHK and spammable. Nothing should be both of those things. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Burner of faces. The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2200	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:40:00 - [7] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Remove the grenade slot from logi suits, all will be well in the world. Imo. No. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Athrak Kinz Valkyrian Armada 9	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:40:00 - [8] - Quote IMO grenades need a re-work. Remove cooking, add an indicator/grenade trail, and reduce grenade count to 1 at mlt /std /adv. And 2 at proto. Damage is fine as is as long as the previous changes are implemented, they are still grenades after all. Full time Logi before it was cool. GÿàProud GallenteanGÿà
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2200	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:41:00 - [9] - Quote Lazy Scumbag wrote: The damage calculator for grenades is ridiculous. How can it be explained that armor+ explosive damage somehow interact causing increased damage? It just does, kind of how AR's do more damage to shields but less to armor. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2200	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:43:00 - [10] - Quote Athrak Kinz wrote: IMO grenades need a re-work. Remove cooking, add an indicator/grenade trail, and reduce grenade count to 1 at mlt /std /adv. And 2 at proto. Damage is fine as is as long as the previous changes are implemented, they are still grenades after all. No. Too much, and unnecessary for achieving balance. That was what kept grenades in Chromosome balanced, an indicator, it is that simple. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.

Sylwester Dziewiecki 203	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:46:00 - [11] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: There is no indicator! Back in Chromosome there was an indicator. It showed a little circle around the grenade and an arrow if it was outside your field of view. Near the end of Chromosome I think that it was even highlighted when it was in the user's hand. We need that back! No damage nerf or range nerf! Just some indicators! ...and how a little circle, and arrow will protects you if you have them between your legs for example? I'm here since may 2012, my EVE alter ego is Nosum Hseebnrido.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1293	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:48:00 - [12] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Remove the grenade slot from logi suits, all will be well in the world. Imo. No. I see your "no", and raise that to a "HELL NO" Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis Dragonaors 112	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:48:00 - [13] - Quote Athrak Kinz wrote: IMO grenades need a re-work. Remove cooking, add an indicator/grenade trail, and reduce grenade count to 1 at mlt /std /adv. And 2 at proto. Damage is fine as is as long as the previous changes are implemented, they are still grenades after all. No grenades stay the same logi's stay the same rifles stay the same no fairness only tears from other classes. I dc anymore I'm used to hiding in a corner with my hmg crying for my moma clone We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Cody Sietz Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 1530	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:49:00 - [14] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: It would also be nice if we could toss them back. How long do you think the timers on these are? +1 OP 3 maybe 4 secs but it kind of feels random sometimes. Not to mention most people cook their grenades pretty well, but I've seen some that just toss em on out.
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2204	Posted - 2013.11.23 17:01:00 - [15] - Quote Sylwester Dziewiecki wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: There is no indicator! Back in Chromosome there was an indicator. It showed a little circle around the grenade and an arrow if it was outside your field of view. Near the end of Chromosome I think that it was even highlighted when it was in the user's hand. We need that back! No damage nerf or range nerf! Just some indicators! ...and how a little circle, and arrow will protects you if you have them between your legs for example? That is not the point of the indicator. The point of the indicator is to show you that there is a danger, specifically, that an enemy has an active grenade. This will help you decide on your next coarse of action. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Athrak Kinz Valkyrian Armada 9	Posted - 2013.11.23 17:22:00 - [16] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Athrak Kinz wrote: IMO grenades need a re-work. Remove cooking, add an indicator/grenade trail, and reduce grenade count to 1 at mlt /std /adv. And 2 at proto. Damage is fine as is as long as the previous changes are implemented, they are still grenades after all. No. Too much, and unnecessary for achieving balance. That was what kept grenades in Chromosome balanced, an indicator, it is that simple. I don't. Support grenade spam. An indicator is useless if someone can just chuck 3 in a row. Also 'nades should only resupply from depots, but once again, only an opinion. Full time Logi before it was cool. GÿàProud GallenteanGÿà
Cody Sietz Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 1531	Posted - 2013.11.23 17:27:00 - [17] - Quote I've noticed this is a all or nothing community... Why can't you support this? It's a step in the right direction!
Athrak Kinz Valkyrian Armada 9	Posted - 2013.11.23 17:38:00 - [18] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: I've noticed this is a all or nothing community... Why can't you support this? It's a step in the right direction! I support the indicator, but no one can say that core locus spam isn't a problem. And 3 grenades is just 1 too many, otherwise 'nades are fine. Full time Logi before it was cool. GÿàProud GallenteanGÿà
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2204	Posted - 2013.11.23 17:42:00 - [19] - Quote Athrak Kinz wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: I've noticed this is a all or nothing community... Why can't you support this? It's a step in the right direction! I support the indicator, but no one can say that core locus spam isn't a problem. And 3 grenades is just 1 too many, otherwise 'nades are fine. It actually takes a bit to throw them and for them to explode, you can kill any suit in the frame of time it takes for them to deploy all three. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2204	Posted - 2013.11.23 17:51:00 - [20] - Quote Please support in Feedback/Request. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.

Paladin Sas Pro Hic Immortalis 257	Posted - 2013.11.23 18:12:00 - [21] - Quote Atiim wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Remove the grenade slot from logi suits, all will be well in the world. Imo. No. I see your "no", and raise that to a "HELL NO" I see your "HELL NO" and raise it again to an "OH HELL NO"
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS 797	Posted - 2013.11.23 20:43:00 - [22] - Quote Atiim wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Remove the grenade slot from logi suits, all will be well in the world. Imo. No. I see your "no", and raise that to a "HELL NO" You want to use grenades, use a basic or ASSAULT SUIT Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2209	Posted - 2013.11.23 21:24:00 - [23] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Atiim wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Remove the grenade slot from logi suits, all will be well in the world. Imo. No. I see your "no", and raise that to a "HELL NO" You want to use grenades, use a basic or ASSAULT SUIT ** Hell Aw No! Aw **. Never in my... Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 826	Posted - 2013.11.23 21:27:00 - [24] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: There is no indicator! Back in Chromosome there was an indicator. It showed a little circle around the grenade and an arrow if it was outside your field of view. Near the end of Chromosome I think that it was even highlighted when it was in the user's hand. We need that back! No damage nerf or range nerf! Just some indicators! Please support in Feedback/Request. i think they should extend the cook time from 4 secs to 8
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 143	Posted - 2013.11.23 21:32:00 - [25] - Quote Ok, have an idea. Make Locus Grenades into an all-purpose grenade that does slightly less damage but about equal to Shields and Armor. Then, make a Thermal Grenades, which could be specialty grenades that do the opposite of Flux Grenades. No damage to Shields, but massive damage to armor. Since the Locus can destroy both shields and armor, it should do less than the specialty grenades, but the specialty grenades are only useful for one or the other. I am the Horseless Headsman. Director and COO of We Who Walk Alone Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinion of sheep.
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 162	Posted - 2013.11.23 21:35:00 - [26] - Quote what they can so to make flux more effective is for shield based suit you have their armor go down first, so after you take their armor down throwing a flux can kill them.
Kanniba1x Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.11.23 22:02:00 - [27] - Quote My biggest pet peeve about the grenades is that they don't go off all the time. There is a moment that if you're cooking one and get shot down, it doesn't go off. There is a live grenade on the field right? Even if my cold dead hand is clutching it it's still cooking, you can't put the pin back in. So what if I get my dumb arse gets surrounded and have to cook a grenade in desperation. When I get cut down and my corpse stepped on I would at least like a chance to get one from beyond the grave. the mechanics or there for it, it's just a flaw in the system.
Thor McStrut Reckoners 434	Posted - 2013.11.23 22:53:00 - [28] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Ok, have an idea. Make Locus Grenades into an all-purpose grenade that does slightly less damage but about equal to Shields and Armor. Then, make a Thermal Grenades, which could be specialty grenades that do the opposite of Flux Grenades. No damage to Shields, but massive damage to armor. Since the Locus can destroy both shields and armor, it should do less than the specialty grenades, but the specialty grenades are only useful for one or the other. I actually kind of like this idea. More options. There are some serious problems with grenades though. Sometimes Locus do incredible damage. Grenade indicators for sure though. Our HUD should easily be able to pick up and mark incoming grenades.
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1671	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:04:00 - [29] - Quote I think I remember somebody talking about a headshot glitch, where the grenades radius causes a headshot multiplier. I really doubt that the 450 from a Core Locus can instapop my 300 shield and 300 Armor on my Standard CalSalt. I think its a glitch that causes the potency of the grenade. Refunding a few AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore


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