DUST Search - heavy armors/light weapons??? gimme a break

Mordecai Sanguine wrote:

Don Azteka wrote:

hello people there is something really annoying a lot of players since a long time and now that you have made some changes on heavy armors it's getting worse!!! heavy armors are allowed using light weapons when light and medium are not able using heavy weapons!!! were is the logic here??? so during a combat you see a red marker behind a wall you run on to it and!! bad surprise a heavy with a duvolle or a shot gun fitting 1700 hps !!! not really fair in the way that heavy should not have the assault role, you have made the commando class for that, and heavy armors should keep the real role they have been made for... had enough of all crap players playing this way, you are creating a new rotted class of game!! change that or you will continue loosing discouraged customers, forbid light weapons to heavy and allow heavy and secondary weapons only, please!!!

Certainely because Assault rifles are so Op than they almost got the same DPS than an HMG with 4x more accuracy so......
And the problem is not the HMG it's assault rifles (scrambler too) got a too big DPS that's all...

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Don Azteka Prima Gallicus 0	Posted - 2013.11.23 10:26:00 - [1] - Quote hello people there is something really annoying a lot of players since a long time and now that you have made some changes on heavy armors it's getting worse!!! heavy armors are allowed using light weapons when light and medium are not able using heavy weapons!!! were is the logic here??? so during a combat you see a red marker behind a wall you run on to it and!! bad surprise a heavy with a duvolle or a shot gun fitting 1700 hps !!! not really fair in the way that heavy should not have the assault role, you have made the commando class for that, and heavy armors should keep the real role they have been made for... had enough of all crap players playing this way, you are creating a new rotted class of game!! change that or you will continue loosing discouraged customers, forbid light weapons to heavy and allow heavy and secondary weapons only, please!!!
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 610	Posted - 2013.11.23 10:37:00 - [2] - Quote What the hell did I just read? ...shivers... Anyway, I think this highlights a problem. The Heavy Machine Gun, and to a lesser extent the Forge Gun, are in a bad way. When you see Sentinels using ARs over HMGs, you know something is wrong there. Humanity is the personification of change.
Mia Romani Nexus Marines 49	Posted - 2013.11.23 10:59:00 - [3] - Quote I think it's especially telling that he'd prefer that heavy to be using a heavy weapon. He's less afraid of a heavy with a HMG than he is a heavy with a Duvolle... Now ain't that something... Interstellar Crossroads
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 142	Posted - 2013.11.23 11:59:00 - [4] - Quote Don Azteka wrote: hello people there is something really annoying a lot of players since a long time and now that you have made some changes on heavy armors it's getting worse!!! heavy armors are allowed using light weapons when light and medium are not able using heavy weapons!!! were is the logic here??? so during a combat you see a red marker behind a wall you run on to it and!! bad surprise a heavy with a duvolle or a shot gun fitting 1700 hps !!! not really fair in the way that heavy should not have the assault role, you have made the commando class for that, and heavy armors should keep the real role they have been made for... had enough of all crap players playing this way, you are creating a new rotted class of game!! change that or you will continue loosing discouraged customers, forbid light weapons to heavy and allow heavy and secondary weapons only, please!!! Certainely because Assault rifles are so Op than they almost got the same DPS than an HMG with 4x more accuracy so...... And the problem is not the HMG it's assault rifles (scrambler too) got a too big DPS that's all...
Ulysses Knapse duna corp 610	Posted - 2013.11.23 12:09:00 - [5] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: And the problem is not the HMG it's assault rifles (scrambler too) got a too big DPS that's all... That's not exactly true. The blame partially lies with the HMG itself. Humanity is the personification of change.
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 151	Posted - 2013.11.23 12:31:00 - [6] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: And the problem is not the HMG it's assault rifles (scrambler too) got a too big DPS that's all... That's not exactly true. The blame partially lies with the HMG itself. Agreed
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 58	Posted - 2013.11.23 13:41:00 - [7] - Quote First Optimal Order strategy - players will gravitate to using something easy if its relatively powerful, especially if the thing that's 10-20% more effective takes 3x the skill. Now this isn't inherently bad to a Fps as it allows new players to compete, but when it's as powerful as it is it prevents them from having to learn anything more complex... Nerfing weapons can pose a problem by exacerbating issues with protostomping
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1748	Posted - 2013.11.23 13:41:00 - [8] - Quote The worst part is when it's a freaking proto sentinel with a duvolle.....and he's stacking Dmg mods!!!!!! Freaking panzies in fat suits can't even carry their own ammo. "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies
Snagman 313 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 155	Posted - 2013.11.23 16:03:00 - [9] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: The worst part is when it's a freaking proto sentinel with a duvolle.....and he's stacking Dmg mods!!!!!! Freaking panzies in fat suits can't even carry their own ammo. I'm pretty confident that Proto sentinels only have 1 high slot and the proto standard suit definitely has only 2 highs so not much stacking as a heavy..... But as was already mentioned why would a heavy use an AR over the HMG...... and why are people so worried about it ............. Oh yeah I forgot AR514...... But on a more serious note if the HMG was more effective then it wouldn't matter about only being able to equip heavy weapons, however this has been brought up before and the whole idea was you could equip your suit as you see fit regardless of your suits intended role (See Logi suit). With the new rifles coming in, many heavy players may not have any option but to equip AR type weapons just to stay competitive. There are plenty of guys still using the HMG like myself and do well but the lack of range and the.... well I duno what to call it aiming/shooting system for the HMG is really cramping it's style. Anyway to the OP not until the rest of the heavy weapons get released/fixed. Snag Closed Beta AV veteran I drink because I play Dust
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis Dragonaors 112	Posted - 2013.11.23 17:01:00 - [10] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: The worst part is when it's a freaking proto sentinel with a duvolle.....and he's stacking Dmg mods!!!!!! Freaking panzies in fat suits can't even carry their own ammo. Proto sentinels have 1 high slot that's not stacking. Also I don't blame my fellow heavies for the change we have 2 weapons 2 not 9 not 3 but 2. I barely see heavies anymore it's almost like they are going extinct. I'll stay Amarr heavy till the Caldari heavy comes then hopefully I can rock all Caldari equipment. We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 118	Posted - 2013.11.23 18:35:00 - [11] - Quote I think the problem is that the OP is a crybaby and just can't handle the fact that he or she was bested and could do nothing about it but put of a " thread of tears ". There are problems with the HMG and that is well known but look at the fact that the Heavies only have TWO freaking weapons . If anyone should be saying anything it should be Heavy users . I have seen Heavy Swarmer's , AR user's , Sniper's , MD users and so on but hell what do you expect . And I don't cry when I'm in my Assault suit and I only have one equipment slot . Hell there are not always Logi's around and I might need that extra slot too . I mean so what I can't use a Forge Gun when I wear my Light or Scout Suit . I'm not like a lot of these people who would be like , " that would be cool " because I understand everyone has a ROLE and some have a BIGGER ROLE than others and some have more of an advantage and more access to tools than others . SAVE YOUR TEARS CRYBABY because that's all your doing and I'm not going to coddle you like I see most are doing . I hope you come across a game with ALL Heavies with scramblers and they headshot you til you rage quit . I mean the nerve of some people . Why can't I run like a Scout when I'm in my Heavy suit or use ANY equipment as well ???? Why when I'm in a Logi suit I have to be an Amarr to have a side arm ...???... , hell I'm Caldari and I know that they are coming out with race based suits for all roles so I know just like the weapons , that things will change and that they are NOT DONE and that this game is NOT FINISHED . So if you find people mixing roles I.E : people misusing Logi suits for Assault , it's because they more than likely have NO OTHER CHOICE , but hell they did say you can customize right . So that's what they just did . DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE 1.7 DIE ALREADY !!!!!!! " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 337	Posted - 2013.11.23 21:27:00 - [12] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Don Azteka wrote: hello people there is something really annoying a lot of players since a long time and now that you have made some changes on heavy armors it's getting worse!!! heavy armors are allowed using light weapons when light and medium are not able using heavy weapons!!! were is the logic here??? so during a combat you see a red marker behind a wall you run on to it and!! bad surprise a heavy with a duvolle or a shot gun fitting 1700 hps !!! not really fair in the way that heavy should not have the assault role, you have made the commando class for that, and heavy armors should keep the real role they have been made for... had enough of all crap players playing this way, you are creating a new rotted class of game!! change that or you will continue loosing discouraged customers, forbid light weapons to heavy and allow heavy and secondary weapons only, please!!! Certainely because Assault rifles are so Op than they almost got the same DPS than an HMG with 4x more accuracy so...... And the problem is not the HMG it's assault rifles (scrambler too) got a too big DPS that's all... Don't nerf the AR buff everything else. On top of that, heavy weapons should out DPS any light weapon. It's a heavy weapon FFS it should laugh at your puny pee shooter while mowing you down. ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| *Losematar* Scout What is a signature?
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 147	Posted - 2013.11.23 22:20:00 - [13] - Quote The logic is big people can carry big and little things,little people carry little things. And they should be able to and its a game of cu'stomizing, don't try to fit in with what should be,play as you Christ is lord Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now. Free tacos
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 991	Posted - 2013.11.23 22:37:00 - [14] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: The worst part is when it's a freaking proto sentinel with a duvolle.....and he's stacking Dmg mods!!!!!! Freaking panzies in fat suits can't even carry their own ammo. I agree but I would change Duvolle to Imperial ScR. Do not eat the yellow snow
spike2000 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 0	Posted - 2013.11.23 22:44:00 - [15] - Quote Don Azteka wrote: hello people there is something really annoying a lot of players since a long time and now that you have made some changes on heavy armors it's getting worse!!! heavy armors are allowed using light weapons when light and medium are not able using heavy weapons!!! were is the logic here??? so during a combat you see a red marker behind a wall you run on to it and!! bad surprise a heavy with a duvolle or a shot gun fitting 1700 hps !!! not really fair in the way that heavy should not have the assault role, you have made the commando class for that, and heavy armors should keep the real role they have been made for... had enough of all crap players playing this way, you are creating a new rotted class of game!! change that or you will continue loosing discouraged customers, forbid light weapons to heavy and allow heavy and secondary weapons only, please!!! Are you stupid? try using a heavy machine gun. 80% of the time you be out gunned, outran, and out performed by almost every rifle in the game. The HMG needs a boost to damage and output of bullets. Dont complain about a weapon if you havent used it. Maybe heavys are using other weapons on their suit is because their main weapon is severly underpowered The instructor of fear.
spike2000 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1	Posted - 2013.11.23 22:55:00 - [16] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: The worst part is when it's a freaking proto sentinel with a duvolle.....and he's stacking Dmg mods!!!!!! Freaking panzies in fat suits can't even carry their own ammo. Proto sentinels have 1 high slot that's not stacking. Also I don't blame my fellow heavies for the change we have 2 weapons 2 not 9 not 3 but 2. I barely see heavies anymore it's almost like they are going extinct. I'll stay Amarr heavy till the Caldari heavy comes then hopefully I can rock all Caldari equipment. I completely agree with you. I had to stop using my hmg because of how in effective it is. even with everything maxed out my assault suit our performs. The instructor of fear.
Draco Cerberus Hell's Gate Inc 528	Posted - 2013.11.23 23:25:00 - [17] - Quote Still ruining heavies with my Toxin AR, loving every second of it unless they use an HMG...just saying. *One Universe...with friendly fire and Open World Game Play for all!*
spike2000 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:35:00 - [18] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: Still ruining heavies with my Toxin AR, loving every second of it unless they use an HMG...just saying. I hate agreeing with a hellstorm member but he is right. Assault rifles outperform almost every rifle in the game. The instructor of fear.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 1894	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:40:00 - [19] - Quote A assault suit has much greater mobility and can carry nanohives to replenish ammo. What can the heavy do? take lots of damge and move really slow. You see heavy's with AR cause the HMG sucks hard. If the HMG would be worthwhile using then people wouldnt fit AR's. Basically what you want is to make the heavy suit 100% useless by forcing it to only use havy weapons. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 379	Posted - 2013.11.24 00:47:00 - [20] - Quote Don Azteka wrote: hello people there is something really annoying a lot of players since a long time and now that you have made some changes on heavy armors it's getting worse!!! heavy armors are allowed using light weapons when light and medium are not able using heavy weapons!!! were is the logic here??? so during a combat you see a red marker behind a wall you run on to it and!! bad surprise a heavy with a duvolle or a shot gun fitting 1700 hps !!! not really fair in the way that heavy should not have the assault role, you have made the commando class for that, and heavy armors should keep the real role they have been made for... had enough of all crap players playing this way, you are creating a new rotted class of game!! change that or you will continue loosing discouraged customers, forbid light weapons to heavy and allow heavy and secondary weapons only, please!!! Right your argument can be compaired to not allowing a forklift to be able to pick up a bag of dog food. Here is where the problem REALLY lies. The HMG (which should be the choice weapon for anti infantry) SUCKS. So for a heavy who has spent even more SP's getting into his heavy suit than what is required to get into a meduim / assault frame has adapted. Many wield light weapons because like the AR are better at short medium and somewhat long range. Heavies don't like to get out gunned at 40 meters out because their gun can't hit anything so the easy solution for the heavy is to spec into a different weapon. The HMG should be the choice weapon for a heavy doing anti infantry ops but it is not and this basically is ccp's fault not the heavy. We are just attempting to adjust to the pile of garbage we have been handed.



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