Thank you. You just saved me 4 minutes of my time.

fromt he perspective of the rampant posters.


i am an armchair lawer who
-did not read the EULA for either sony or CCP
-did not read my local laws and therefor have no idea what they are
- did not read the posts from CCP about what was being removed and why

-read once about some guy who sued some company and won and i remember vaugely that an EULA was involed
-now assume all EULAs are illegal and unlawful and serve no function whatsoever

i am now angry because
-i have no idea whats going on and im scared
-i heard somethings being taken from me and i dont like that
-anything new is bad
-im illiterate


i also
-want free ****
-want attention
-want my opinion to be concidered fact



there ya go folks, for those who havnmt been paying attention this is what all those "im sueing CCP for this" posts are about.

fromt he perspective of the rampant posters.


i am an armchair lawer who
-did not read the EULA for either sony or CCP
-did not read my local laws and therefor have no idea what they are
- did not read the posts from CCP about what was being removed and why

-read once about some guy who sued some company and won and i remember vaugely that an EULA was involed
-now assume all EULAs are illegal and unlawful and serve no function whatsoever

i am now angry because
-i have no idea whats going on and im scared
-i heard somethings being taken from me and i dont like that
-anything new is bad
-im illiterate


i also
-want free ****
-want attention
-want my opinion to be concidered fact



there ya go folks, for those who havnmt been paying attention this is what all those "im sueing CCP for this" posts are about.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1524382#post1524382

Here is the thing though. I don't have any vehicle BPOs myself, but I feel this is a slippy slope, and how long until CCP comes for dropsuit modules? I purchased AUR for the ability to buy BPOs before they were gone from the market. Just like CCP told me too, and I thought about it for a few days and even researched how much they would benefit me in the future knowing that I would never need ISK to run a decent suit. I planned out my purchase and executed it based on the promise that BPOs would always be there to fall back on from CCPs dev blogs. Now here we are not even 2 months later and they are removing some of those "permanent" purchases with little thought on how the consumer feels and not even offering a suitable substitute. AUR is not suitable. I purchased a "permanent" item with my AUR, now there are none of those on the market. I don't want AUR in return. I want the cash back. Put it into my PS account. I am a PS+ member, I am sure I will find something to spend it on. Hell, if CCP offers something good in the future I might even reinvest it back to them.

To push people to buy an item, and then remove it 2 months later though..... This is the sign of a disorganized and/or sheisty company. Or the fact that the playerbase is actually so low, that CCP is scared that once we as a community realize that we actually hold the power of future AUR purchases.... well. The first thing they want to do is get rid of our BPOs, because they do not want a satiated player base. They want us to buy more AUR, infact, they need it.

BPOs, DO NOT, mess with the future ingame economy. They mess with CCPs bottomline. If you have the BPO, why buy the expendable new mod that CCP has on the market? This is what I am fighting against. This is the big picture that all you "BPOs are bad for the ingame economy" people never think of. I am an earthly being. I have lived through 34 years of being the villain and the hero. The only qualification you need for that is knowing when to use your middle finger.

Well today I am using my middle finger, because I see what CCP is trying to fool everyone into. And I am against it.

dude you seriously aren't reading our real complaint, intead you skim and then make your own conclusion.... this fight is for you too.

your obviously to dense to see it.

for ease of referance.

well first off, the BPOs were never said to be permanant in terms of "guarenteed never to be removed from the game", if you read the EULA that people have begun quoting, CCP can change anything they feel like within the game for any reason or no reason whatsoever.

and you see that when you read that upon signing up and you determined you were ok with that.

upon purchasing aurum you noticed in the agreement that aurum is non- refundable, and im sure in all your careful reasearch on the subject you added this into concideration when you were determining weather or not you were guying to buy aurum for BPOs.

you bought aurum for BPOs knowing that aurum was non refundable, and that BPOs are not guarenteed to always be in the game, and can be removed at any point in time for no reason whatsoever.

and you decided you were ok with that.

you made an informed desision (or at least you said you did when you made it) and now you regret that desision.

having non - refundable psudocurrencys is legal in every country the PS-store sells in
also changing and removing verious paid for items in a video game is legal in the countrys of operation.

the industry standard for "satisfactory" compensation in the event one of said items is removed is a refund in the currency used to purchase it.

there literaly isnt another more fair method of compensation.


and EVERYONE who bought AUR was aware it wasnt refundable.


theres no excuse for this kind of behavior, it amounts to a temper tantrum by people who should return to being refered to as children.

you ****** up, you made a bad call, you regret your desision.

but it WAS your desision, nobody else made it for you.

You forgot one thing. The duress of said purchaser. It has been shown and held up in court that if a company urges a customer to buy, anything, and then changes any part of said agreement without the customers consent, it could cause duress upon the customer and they can then invoke their consumer rights.

Now, I am under duress because I was lead to believe that BPOs were permanent, as stated in many articles,

but now those purchases are being taken away without a suitable supplement.

Do you really want to argue me on this because I have been reading all kinds of **** since I first heard of the possibility that CCP wants to rid DUST of BPOs. I have made many posts on this subject alone. My best, CCP moderated to oblivion, because they don't want you to be mad at them. They just want you to buy more AURUM. I have them saved though for reference.

I work for CCP

This argument is stupid. I am merely providing facts for other people to draw upon. At that I leave this open to the havenots, which you think are apart of, and the haves. Unless you believe the lie that CCP in perpetrating.


Where are the mass scraping of BPO videos. IWS please scrap yours because you are such a bit proponent of getting rid of BPOs. We'll start with yours.

Show me one person that is all for the removal BPOs by posting a link to this thread of them scrapping their BPOs. All of them. I challenge you. I will bet 50 million ISK that it will never happen.


For the 50 million ISK you need to go to assets page and show off all your gear from top to bottom and destroy all BPOs you own.

you are providing your opinion, not fact.

and why are you devolving into a rant requesting that anyone who trys to have a rational counterpoint to your opinion must destroy their BPOs in order for you to take them seriously?

nobodys going to destroy all their BPOs because there isnt any guarentee that they will be removed, just like there isnt any guarentee that they wont be.

Well, if you feel they are breaking the game so much, why would you be against destroying them yourself? You might start a trend where everyone destroys their BPOs. I doubt it but, don't shout for the downfall of a system and then go back to your couch. That to me is a lazy protest. Be the change you want to see in the world. Destroy your BPOs and then tell others they should do the same, all for the betterment of the game ofcourse. I'll wait while you think about it.

nowhere in any place in my argument did i state my opinions on BPOs, and so my opinion on BPOs has nothing to do with this particular thread, and will not be mentioned.

i suggest you counter the points presented rather then trying to sidetract and devolve the thread into an argument that amounts to screaming "if you have nothing to hide why wont you let me spy on you LOL"

I believe your entire OP was based on your opinion. And I am countering the points that were posted. Don't believe that just because I reworded and quoted you that I didn't read the OP.

yah my opinion on the rampant "omg sue CCP this ***** unfair" threads

NOT my opinion on the eventual removal of all BPOs


so your endgame is honestly that for some reason im a CCP spy account sent to spread unrest amung the pesents?

Why not? There is a person sueing a dating service right now because her wrists hurt after making 1000 profiles. What do I have to believe that you aren't a CCP alt that made a free account just to counter all the bad publicity this game is receiving right now? I am an honest person. I have a few accounts but this is my main. When I post, I post what I believe and if I am wrong I will admit it. That, after all is what CCP wants right, consequences. I have never feared away from posting with the character I play most on a game forum. Sure some people hate me, but you know what, some also like me. And I am against CCP removing BPOs. I have stated my reasons why. You can see my past post history if you want. It's not hidden. This will be the last post I make in this thread though because I feel you are of a childs mentality and I am done going back and forth with well well well......

What's going on is that CCP is removing vehicles and modules and replacing them with entirely new versions, and some people are complaining that CCP is going to remove their BPOs of vehicle related stuff and give them AUR in exchange...

I guess they'd rather keep the BPOs of soon-to-be-nonexistant items that won't work in-game... Because Logic.

It's not really that simple when the items being removed will be literally irreplaceable.

thats kinda the point, they were removed from the game, generally you cant replace things removed from the game :P

Yes, you can. The reasonable thing would be to replace the BPOs with equivalents from the new content. I've used this analogy elsewhere; it's like being charged for entry to a theme park, only to find the park's main atraction out of commission. Would you not feel a little ripped off? Would it not be at least a little disingenuous of the theme park to not let you know before purchasing the ticket?

this is my new main for posting ont he forums becuase my in game main Chances Ghost got (justifyably) banned for posting an insane satire based rant about the (still current) situation in dust concerning glitches and their competitive use

neither have hidden post historys

so im as much a CCP employee as you are

#1, you just admitted to circumventing a CCP ban, good job dummy.

#2 Bait and Switch, go look it up.

#3 Are you familiar with the term sh*thouse lawyer, because that is exactly what you are....

Also, aside from the questionable legality of removing sold (directly for real money) products, How bad would this action hurt CCP's reputation?

Lets say CCP removes all BPOs in-game tomorrow... do you think the majority of people will ever spend another nickle on Dust?

Don't you think this action could have serious repercussions for CCP as a whole?

How many gaming sites would run this story? How far would the word of mouth travel?

Are you serious taking a corporations side over the consumer?

Lastly, do you want Dust 514 to fail? Removing all BPOs in-game is the surest way I can think of to make that happen.

http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/B/BaitandSwitch.aspx

for anyone curious, this is bait and switch.

as defined by both canada, and US ruling.


does not apply to this situation because

- no competitng item is being sold
-sale was not used as a method of distributing alturnate competing products
-original product was indeed available for sale
-original terms of sale for said product were upheld

Bait-and-switch is a form of fraud used in retail sales but also employed in other contexts. First, customers are "baited" by merchants' advertising products or services at a low price, but when customers visit the store, they discover that the advertised goods are not available, or the customers are pressured by sales people to consider similar, but higher priced items ("switching").

well for starters they removed and item sold via psudo-currency, not real money

that psudocurrency was in turn purchased with a different psudocurrency, also not real money.

the original currency (PSN credit) was the only thing purchased for real money.

Linky


that seems oddly applicable doesn't it?

If you had read any of my arguments before, you would know I do not have a problem with CCP refunding items purchased with aurum. This I see as fully at CCP discretion, as the person in question purchased in-game currency with their IRL cash, then purchased in-game items with that currency. A refund of in-game currency is fair IMHO.

I am referring to BPOs which were purchased directly for IRL cash.
exampleexample
and of course the Collectors edition

These items being removed would necessitate a real-life cash or PSN credit refund.

except you CAN go to a theme park and find that the main attraction is closed.

they then refund you in the manner in wich you paid if your unhappy with that. (if you paid with a non refundable gift certificate, they give you a new gift cirtificate not cash)


wich is exactly what happened here. main attraction closed... they gave you the AUR you paid for it with back.

not only that but... you got to ride teh attraction a while before it closed down, you just ignored the sign that said you may not be able to ride it forever.

nope.

customers visited the store and discovered that the advertised goods were available and at the price advertised.

the customers were not then pressured to buy something else other then the advertised item.

it doesnt match the only two key pieces nessesary for it to be bait and switch.

there was no bait, and there was no switch.

What CCP has done is the equivalent of the theme park saying "since our main attraction is only one of ten rides, we'll refund you 10%"

Raising the legal freedom of CCP to do this, completely overlooks the fact that it's a d*ck move which people are right to be upset about.
All I'm seeing here is shameless apologetics for a company treating its customers like sh*t just because they're legally allowed to.

Bait: Hey, come buy aurum for access to exclusive items such as BPOs

Switch: sorry, no more BPOs, and we're taking the ones you have. But thanks for the moneys.

to do things any other way then they have been done, CCP would never ever ever be able to remove or modify an AUR purchased item from the game, ever.

wich cant be true or you may as well shut down dust.

thats definatly a step up in logical argument then im used to dealing with on the forums.


and you have sufficiantly convinced me that its not so clean cut as it seems, and merits way more thought and effort then i wish to put into it.

and so i will leave that up to actual lawers.


my OP still stands though because its funny as hell how badly these peopel are presenting the idea

What CCP has done is the equivalent of the theme park saying "since our main attraction is only one of ten rides, we'll refund you 10%"

Raising the legal freedom of CCP to do this, completely overlooks the fact that it's a d*ck move which people are right to be upset about.
All I'm seeing here is shameless apologetics for a company treating its customers like sh*t just because they're legally allowed to.

-im illiterate

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