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Rizlax Yazzax
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:37:00 -
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I hate to add yet another thread (and inevitable Reason Vs Rage) on the forums, but people need to stop crying for BPO cash refunds. As has been stated by many people, the EULA of Dust gives CCP the right to do whatever the hell they want with this game. Any and all items are property of CCP, regardless if they are ISK/AUR or BPO/BPC. By accepting the EULA and playing the game, you WILLINGLY accept those terms, and void any right to claim foul play.
"But I paid real money for my BPOs! CCP are robbing me!", Rage cries from the rooftops.
False. You used Aurum to purchase those items. A VIRTUAL currency with no real-world value.
"I paid CCP for those in-game Aurum with my cold, hard cash. Refund CCP!!!", he continues merrily.
"Ha to you, Reason!", his lackey will quip, "I used the PSN store and bought an in-game pack including the BPO, not AUR"
False. Through the PSN wallet you purchased the Aurum/Packs using pre-purchased credit, that for the sake of convenience has equal value to the currency that was used to buy it.
"See! you have proven you're own downfall, FOOL! You just admitted we spent money on BPOs, Huzzah!".
False. The only service you have truly purchased with your sweaty, blood soaked, hard earned cash, is the right to use PSN. The fact that you chose to spend those purchased credits in a virtual world, on virtual items, when there is literally NO obligation to pay a penny for the game itself - is only of your own concern when you aren't happy with that choice.
"We will fight to the very last! Rage and reason are old enemies, as these forums know all too well."
"Very well, you have put up a valiant, if less than reasonable argument. Commence once more with your salty eye rivers."
"The BPO in game says permanent, so they CAN'T remove it, that's false advertising"
False. The BPO may say permanent, but this is merely in relation to game terms, not real world. This game revolves around making ISK to buy gear. The same gear that you lose some of every time you die. NOTHING lasts, except the BPOs. They provide a permanent supply of the weapon so you don't have to keep buying BPCs at a personal cost.
In EVE BPOs are used to manufacture copies of an item for use/sale on the market, but cannot be used as the item themselves.(Please someone correct me if I'm wrong). Because this mechanic isn't in Dust yet (and may never be), we equip the BPO as an item, but in reality we are creating a fresh disposable item every time we spawn. Using the "permanent" BPO.
Panting, exhausted from the battle, Rage approached Reason;
"REFUND! MINE! WANT! NNNOOOOOOWWWWW!!!!"
"Ah Rage, it's okay, I know you don't understand." Reason offered reassuringly, "I promise that in a little while - just after the New Year - there will be a wonderful time for you."
"Huh?", rage peeked through bloodshot eyes, filled with both hope and confusion."
"In a little over two months, 1.8 will come along and you can find something else to complain about for a while."
"Do you promise?" Rage enquired, mucus trickling down his chin.
"Yes Rage, I promise. You don't even have to wait for anything official, start with the rumours. Okay?"
"OKAY! Gee thanks Reason, you aren't so bad after all!" Rage exclaimed as he skipped merrily on his way.
As Reason watched Rage disappear deep into the forums, he smiled. Knowing that the battle would always be there. When the spoilt gibberish of Rage returns, ready to scream and shout to the last, Reason will be there. Watching. Waiting. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5248
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:40:00 -
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You're wasting your time. Logic doesn't seem to ever prevail here in the forums.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Rizlax Yazzax
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
13
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:41:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:You're wasting your time. Logic doesn't seem to ever prevail here in the forums.
Yea I know, I was just bored and got a bit carried away. Thought I'd have a say on the matter  |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1272
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:44:00 -
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Ethics > EULA
Check out my corp's new website here :D
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
862
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:49:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Ethics > EULA
Sorry, this is the real world, not Wonderland. Money>All here.
[+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94]
Burner of faces.
The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5249
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:50:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Ethics > EULA
Walmart > Ethics
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Dust Junky 4Life
Shitstorm Inc
187
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:52:00 -
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I bet you I get refunded. Not with AUR either. The credit card is more powerful then the forum.
A Shitstorm is coming...........
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Rizlax Yazzax
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
13
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:52:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Ethics > EULA
What ethics are involved here? As I already stated any and all money paid went to Sony, not CCP. If you are unhappy and believe you have been wronged, then Sony is the company you need to talk to. But since CCP can't do **** without Sony's say, Sony are obviously fine with these "shady" business practices.
Yes, I can understand people wanting a BPO replacement simply for the ISK saving convenience. But the money argument is invalid, especially when used against CCP.
And let's just say that throughout all of Dust, 100% of BPOs were kept in because you "paid" for them. Do you plan on playing Dust for the rest of your life? What if you decide to quit? Your items will be sitting there, "cold, hard, cash" doing nothing. Will you cry for a refund then? Would you ask for a refund when you are done with PS3 and get a PS4? |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5249
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:54:00 -
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Dust Junky 4Life wrote:I bet you I get refunded. Not with AUR either. The credit card is more powerful then the forum.
According to Sony, the best you'll get is PSN Store Credit.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1272
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:54:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Atiim wrote:Ethics > EULA Sorry, this is the real world, not Wonderland. Money>All here.
Then fire everyone working for the AP
Check out my corp's new website here :D
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Dust Junky 4Life
Shitstorm Inc
187
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:56:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Atiim wrote:Ethics > EULA Walmart > Ethics
I LOVE wally world! Where else can you use a microwave for over a year and get cash back? Not me but some old couple. They may fk over their employee's but, they have the lowest prices. If not, they price match.
A Shitstorm is coming...........
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5250
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Posted - 2013.11.22 21:59:00 -
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Dust Junky 4Life wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Atiim wrote:Ethics > EULA Walmart > Ethics I LOVE wally world! Where else can you use a microwave for over a year and get cash back? Not me but some old couple. They may fk over their employee's but, they have the lowest prices. If not, they price match.
You mean "slave" their employees. FKing them over is just part of the interview.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Dust Junky 4Life
Shitstorm Inc
187
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Posted - 2013.11.22 22:03:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Dust Junky 4Life wrote:I bet you I get refunded. Not with AUR either. The credit card is more powerful then the forum. According to Sony, the best you'll get is PSN Store Credit.
I would be cool with that BUT, Sony does not write policy for my credit card company. I have no intention of wasting my time with sony/India employees.
A Shitstorm is coming...........
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Dust Junky 4Life
Shitstorm Inc
187
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Posted - 2013.11.22 22:04:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Dust Junky 4Life wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Atiim wrote:Ethics > EULA Walmart > Ethics I LOVE wally world! Where else can you use a microwave for over a year and get cash back? Not me but some old couple. They may fk over their employee's but, they have the lowest prices. If not, they price match. You mean "slave" their employees. FKing them over is just part of the interview.
NO ONE makes them work there! NO ONE told them to drop out of school.
A Shitstorm is coming...........
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1273
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Posted - 2013.11.22 22:05:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Atiim wrote:Ethics > EULA Walmart > Ethics
There is a reason why I don't go to Walmart
Check out my corp's new website here :D
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VAHZZ
285
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Posted - 2013.11.22 22:05:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:You're wasting your time. Logic doesn't seem to ever prevail here in the forums.
Have you ever licked your way to the center of a lolipop?
The merc with a mouth - beware of random bouts of insanity!
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Proud Sniper Scout
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Rizlax Yazzax
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
13
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Posted - 2013.11.22 22:07:00 -
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Well this was unexpected........have the forums really reached this point? The hot topic has been discussed so much, that no one cares?
Or is Rage playing dirty and subtly trying to sweep Reason under the carpet??? |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5250
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Posted - 2013.11.22 22:08:00 -
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VAHZZ wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:You're wasting your time. Logic doesn't seem to ever prevail here in the forums. Have you ever licked your way to the center of a lolipop?
Tootsie Pop... it's Tootsie Pop.
CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
2257
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Posted - 2013.11.22 22:18:00 -
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It's really tedious reminding everybody what CCP is legally allowed to do.
WBC is legally allowed to say that dead soldiers are burning in hell, that doesn't mean we can't call them arseholes for doing it.
If you went to a theme park, paid for access to the park, and then saw the only rollercoaster you wanted to ride under maintenance, do you think you might feel a little ripped off? Would it really be QQ to ask for a refund of your ticket? Especially considering it was purchased under false pretenses?
I'm fed up of this idea that those asking for more than an Aurum refund are simply ignorant of theirs & CCP's rights, or that they're just being entitled whiners.
No.
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VAHZZ
287
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Posted - 2013.11.22 22:27:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:VAHZZ wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:You're wasting your time. Logic doesn't seem to ever prevail here in the forums. Have you ever licked your way to the center of a lolipop? Tootsie Pop... it's Tootsie Pop.
Ok have you ever tootsie popped your way to the center of a lolipop?
The merc with a mouth - beware of random bouts of insanity!
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Proud Sniper Scout
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