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Dimmu Borgir II wrote:

Pr0phetzReck0ning wrote:

Just finished playing a Domination and my entire team of randoms got shut down. But the frustrating thing about it was that i realized the majority of them were WAY BEHIND the red line Sniping... Like a good 300 + meters in the opposite direction. Im seeing a frustrating pattern. All this space and for what? The Domination was won by the other team in about 2 minutes. So I had to spend the next 7-8 minutes watching my teammates coward and flee meters behind the redline.

This isnt fun this is atrociously boring....CCP youre still failing to see why this game is dying. Id honestly like to hear your thoughts on the matter. Cause clearly if you play this game and get pub stomped and redlined you MUST be saying to yourself: "Dang this sucks, theres like no way for my team to even attempt to come back from this."

They should make it that when you're in the redline (combined redline, yours or theirs) that your minimap or HUD won't work and that your LOS and view distance is drastically shortened, they could justify this by inventing that there is a satelite above the centre of each combat zone map and that powers and relays the signal to your HUD and navigation and minimap etc.. just and idea and would encourage more people to get in the game!

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Pr0phetzReck0ning Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2013.11.21 23:33:00 - [1] - Quote Just finished playing a Domination and my entire team of randoms got shut down. But the frustrating thing about it was that i realized the majority of thek were WAY BEHIND the red line Sniping... Like a good 300 + meters in the opposite direction. Im seeing a frustrating pattern. All this space and for what? The Dominaion was won by the other team in about 2 minutes. So I had to spend the next 7-8 minutes watching my teammates coward and flee meters behind the redline. This isnt fun this is atrociously boring....CCP youre still failing to see why this game is dying. Id honestly like to hear your thoughts on the matter. Cause clearly if you play this game and get pub stomped and redlined you MUST be saying to yourself: "Dang this sucks, theres like no way for my team to even attempt to come back from this."
Dimmu Borgir II Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance 172	Posted - 2013.11.21 23:48:00 - [2] - Quote Pr0phetzReck0ning wrote: Just finished playing a Domination and my entire team of randoms got shut down. But the frustrating thing about it was that i realized the majority of them were WAY BEHIND the red line Sniping... Like a good 300 + meters in the opposite direction. Im seeing a frustrating pattern. All this space and for what? The Domination was won by the other team in about 2 minutes. So I had to spend the next 7-8 minutes watching my teammates coward and flee meters behind the redline. This isnt fun this is atrociously boring....CCP youre still failing to see why this game is dying. Id honestly like to hear your thoughts on the matter. Cause clearly if you play this game and get pub stomped and redlined you MUST be saying to yourself: "Dang this sucks, theres like no way for my team to even attempt to come back from this." They should make it that when you're in the redline (combined redline, yours or theirs) that your minimap or HUD won't work and that your LOS and view distance is drastically shortened, they could justify this by inventing that there is a satelite above the centre of each combat zone map and that powers and relays the signal to your HUD and navigation and minimap etc.. just and idea and would encourage more people to get in the game!
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 433	Posted - 2013.11.21 23:58:00 - [3] - Quote @ Dimmu Probably not. I think most people would just quit the match once they had been redlined under those conditions. I do agree with the OP that the maps are a bit to big considering the size of the teams.
VAHZZ The dyst0pian Corporation 276	Posted - 2013.11.21 23:59:00 - [4] - Quote I actually think the maps are way too small...I am a man that likes wide open maps, like free-roam open maps games - RPG brah. The merc with a mouth - beware of random bouts of insanity! ~ Proud Sniper Scout
Kahn Zo Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 102	Posted - 2013.11.21 23:59:00 - [5] - Quote New players are just getting sick of being mowed down by an OP AR. and I do not blame them for not putting up being assimilated target practice for the elite. Till things change, I doubt that scenario will as well. Pure Gallente
Forlorn Destrier 2226	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:01:00 - [6] - Quote Size of the map is also designed for when we have larger teams on each side. Doesn't change the frustration today, and maybe they could have introduced smaller maps to start until we had the infrastructure behind the scenes to accommodate larger sizes, of course. Chivalry is not dead, but many who practiced it are.
Arirana Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 269	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:04:00 - [7] - Quote Dimmu Borgir II wrote: Pr0phetzReck0ning wrote: Just finished playing a Domination and my entire team of randoms got shut down. But the frustrating thing about it was that i realized the majority of them were WAY BEHIND the red line Sniping... Like a good 300 + meters in the opposite direction. Im seeing a frustrating pattern. All this space and for what? The Domination was won by the other team in about 2 minutes. So I had to spend the next 7-8 minutes watching my teammates coward and flee meters behind the redline. This isnt fun this is atrociously boring....CCP youre still failing to see why this game is dying. Id honestly like to hear your thoughts on the matter. Cause clearly if you play this game and get pub stomped and redlined you MUST be saying to yourself: "Dang this sucks, theres like no way for my team to even attempt to come back from this." They should make it that when you're in the redline (combined redline, yours or theirs) that your minimap or HUD won't work and that your LOS and view distance is drastically shortened, they could justify this by inventing that there is a satelite above the centre of each combat zone map and that powers and relays the signal to your HUD and navigation and minimap etc.. just and idea and would encourage more people to get in the game! This is the best suggestion I've seen AAAATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATA~ WOOOAAATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATA
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 166	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:09:00 - [8] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: I actually think the maps are way too small...I am a man that likes wide open maps, like free-roam open maps games - RPG brah. Well i am a man that likes URBAN battle enviroments, and the maps are too big for 16 vs 16... These maps are for 32 vs 32 AT LEAST battles...
VAHZZ The dyst0pian Corporation 276	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:20:00 - [9] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: VAHZZ wrote: I actually think the maps are way too small...I am a man that likes wide open maps, like free-roam open maps games - RPG brah. Well i am a man that likes URBAN battle enviroments, and the maps are too big for 16 vs 16... These maps are for 32 vs 32 AT LEAST battles... Maybe they should invoke 32 vs 32 then The merc with a mouth - beware of random bouts of insanity! ~ Proud Sniper Scout
Dimmu Borgir II Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance 173	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:41:00 - [10] - Quote A'Real Fury wrote: @ Dimmu Probably not. I think most people would just quit the match once they had been redlined under those conditions. I do agree with the OP that the maps are a bit to big considering the size of the teams. Maybe it would but that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing and I don't think it'd cause too much frustration as it would/should actually encourage them to find a way OUT of their redline. If they quit then they just get a percentage of what they would have gotten anyway ISK and SP wise so let them quit, it's the same result, they're practically out of the game at that point anyway.

Pr0phetzReck0ning Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 74	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:42:00 - [11] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: VAHZZ wrote: I actually think the maps are way too small...I am a man that likes wide open maps, like free-roam open maps games - RPG brah. Well i am a man that likes URBAN battle enviroments, and the maps are too big for 16 vs 16... These maps are for 32 vs 32 AT LEAST battles... Maybe they should invoke 32 vs 32 then That can only be done on Next-gen where Battlefield 4 can have 64 players in one match and run rather smoothly... And CCp has already stated they aren't going to port this game to the PS4 anytime soon. Yet another failure on their part
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 140	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:46:00 - [12] - Quote Lol... Thats what dropships are used for. If it werent for AV and rails. Funny how this is. Also, uplinks. Spend 12,000 SP for standard. The biggest threat to my scout is everything. My scout is the biggest threat to everything.
Pr0phetzReck0ning Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 74	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:52:00 - [13] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Lol... Thats what dropships are used for. If it werent for AV and rails. Funny how this is. Also, uplinks. Spend 12,000 SP for standard. Uplinks are a solution for spawning where you want to. And dropships/ any vehicles for that matter help you get to places faster. But we're not discussing issues in spawning and traveling so I'm not sure what's your reasoning behind this input. P.S. standard uplinks are crap
4447 Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 829	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:54:00 - [14] - Quote Once redlined the match ends. Creep, Radiohead.
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 168	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:55:00 - [15] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: VAHZZ wrote: I actually think the maps are way too small...I am a man that likes wide open maps, like free-roam open maps games - RPG brah. Well i am a man that likes URBAN battle enviroments, and the maps are too big for 16 vs 16... These maps are for 32 vs 32 AT LEAST battles... Maybe they should invoke 32 vs 32 then WELL MAYBE THEY SHOULD! Turns head sideways Come at me bro XD
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 168	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:55:00 - [16] - Quote Pr0phetzReck0ning wrote: VAHZZ wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: VAHZZ wrote: I actually think the maps are way too small...I am a man that likes wide open maps, like free-roam open maps games - RPG brah. Well i am a man that likes URBAN battle enviroments, and the maps are too big for 16 vs 16... These maps are for 32 vs 32 AT LEAST battles... Maybe they should invoke 32 vs 32 then That can only be done on Next-gen where Battlefield 4 can have 64 players in one match and run rather smoothly... And CCp has already stated they aren't going to port this game to the PS4 anytime soon. Yet another failure on their part M.A.G. Had 128 vs 128 in PS3 ,and was one of the OLDEST PS3 games. Graphics evenbetter than Dust514...
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 140	Posted - 2013.11.22 00:56:00 - [17] - Quote Reason for input. This guy is QQing about not having fun because the maps are too big. So he wants to get in battle, FASTER. Also, it is more of a Proto stomp thread, simce he is complaining that the enemy is stomping. So the thread title is flawed. The biggest threat to my scout is everything. My scout is the biggest threat to everything.
Pr0phetzReck0ning Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 74	Posted - 2013.11.22 01:05:00 - [18] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: Reason for input. This guy is QQing about not having fun because the maps are too big. So he wants to get in battle, FASTER. Also, it is more of a Proto stomp thread, simce he is complaining that the enemy is stomping. So the thread title is flawed. This is not a QQing/proto stomping thread. This is more of a sub thread to my other threads about how these maps ARE too big. They are so big in fact that sometimes it takes some time to even engage the enemy. I wrote this after my Domination match went to hell and there are a lot of things that were frustrating with that match, but I digress. Anyway, haven't you ever said to yourself while playing an ambush: "Why have this gigantic map yet you spawn the enemy 20 meters away from you. and the funny thing is the majority of the match will play out right in this fraction of the map with the rest of the map completely unused. It's wasted space. These maps are meant to hold a large population of players at once. 24 vs 24, 32 vs 32 type engagements. NOT 16 vs 16. Hell sometimes its 4 vs 16 (and trust me I HAVE seen that)
VAHZZ The dyst0pian Corporation 279	Posted - 2013.11.22 04:33:00 - [19] - Quote ACE OF JOKERS wrote: VAHZZ wrote: ACE OF JOKERS wrote: VAHZZ wrote: I actually think the maps are way too small...I am a man that likes wide open maps, like free-roam open maps games - RPG brah. Well i am a man that likes URBAN battle enviroments, and the maps are too big for 16 vs 16... These maps are for 32 vs 32 AT LEAST battles... Maybe they should invoke 32 vs 32 then WELL MAYBE THEY SHOULD! Turns head sideways Come at me bro XD You have just made my night. The merc with a mouth - beware of random bouts of insanity! ~ Proud Sniper Scout
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2185	Posted - 2013.11.22 04:39:00 - [20] - Quote Domination has to be the worst game mode. It requires that both teams be trying the same amount for the game to be anything more than a total roll over. At least in skirmish you can take points over by yourself. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.

A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 436	Posted - 2013.11.22 12:35:00 - [21] - Quote Dimmu Borgir II wrote: A'Real Fury wrote: @ Dimmu Probably not. I think most people would just quit the match once they had been redlined under those conditions. I do agree with the OP that the maps are a bit to big considering the size of the teams. Maybe it would but that wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing and I don't think it'd cause too much frustration as it would/should actually encourage them to find a way OUT of their redline. If they quit then they just get a percentage of what they would have gotten anyway ISK and SP wise so let them quit, it's the same result, they're practically out of the game at that point anyway. My concern wouldn't be the odd person quitting it would be most or entire teams quitting. Any new players joining the match will not be able to see out of the redzone but they will see the clone difference, or letters held etc and will quit out of the battle as well as they will probably assume that the entire red team, in HAVs, etc are camping the redline. Redline games are bad enough as they are but potentially having the other team quit the match so there is basically no one or only a few people left on the opposing side would be incredibly boring for all players. It would even create more frustration with matchmaking as there would be a dramatic increase in players being dropped into unwinable matchs.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 739	Posted - 2013.11.22 13:51:00 - [22] - Quote You have a problem with snipers and you want the map smaller? Lol. No, the maps need to be expanded to the full size CCP has blocked off right now. Not only would you get vehicle combat spread out and mostly away from the nodes, but snipers et al would be spread out too and more localized to certain areas. The only real use for MAVs and dropships is to carry squads from point to point. As it is now MAVs would be useless ans dropships are just patrolling in circles. Tanks are very effective on the redlines due to close proximity and otherwise are also just patrolling in circles. If you don't think sniping is the greatest thing everGÇª I will fight you. That's no lie. -GÇö Ron Burgundy paraphrased
GRUNT 78 Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 8	Posted - 2013.11.22 14:34:00 - [23] - Quote Most dominations the redline WAY TOO CLOSE to the mcc. Maps were expanded to make up for tight flying space and for other not yet released vehicles,,that was months ago. Something else also,,these huge maps are the reason lots of heavys switched to the ar/scr. Feel bad for'em. Gotta b Usain bolt to get around these maps. THAT HURTS MY FEELINGS. Like Im the turtle that DID NOT win the race.
lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 215	Posted - 2013.11.22 14:53:00 - [24] - Quote They are way to small.


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