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Ridire Greine 25	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:35:00 - [1] - Quote HAVs should be the most effective way to destroy a HAV, AV should be another effective way. (Just not as effective) That is all. Thats Rid-air-a Gray-nah, for all you scrubs out there. D:
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1188	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:36:00 - [2] - Quote With that logic, AV should be the best way to counter AV. HAVs would just be a not so good way of doing it. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1298	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:39:00 - [3] - Quote I must admit that it takes longer to destroy a tank with an other tank than with a proto forge/swarm "Please don't" GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå I Support SP Rollover, MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP !!!
Ridire Greine 26	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:39:00 - [4] - Quote Atiim wrote: With that logic, AV should be the best way to counter AV. HAVs would just be a not so good way of doing it. No it doesn't. A Heavy is the hard counter to a pesky Scout, but a Scout isn't the hard counter for a pesky Heavy. Want a respec? Send me 50mil ISK "Woh i rlly god a respek, 11/10" - IGN
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1188	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:42:00 - [5] - Quote And tell me why exactly should one class be the best counter to another? Especially when said class was designed and even titled to take out the other class? Next post from OP: We should make Assaults the best counter to Assaults. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5284	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:42:00 - [6] - Quote Ridire Greine wrote: Atiim wrote: With that logic, AV should be the best way to counter AV. HAVs would just be a not so good way of doing it. No it doesn't. A Heavy is the hard counter to a pesky Scout, but a Scout isn't the hard counter for a pesky Heavy. What isn't the hard counter to a scout? Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 380	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:44:00 - [7] - Quote Swarm Launchers aren't hard counters to scout ... you can still melee them 1 hit .. so soft counter.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1188	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:44:00 - [8] - Quote Ridire Greine wrote: Atiim wrote: With that logic, AV should be the best way to counter AV. HAVs would just be a not so good way of doing it. No it doesn't. A Heavy is the hard counter to a pesky Scout, but a Scout isn't the hard counter for a pesky Heavy. The heavy is either running a Duvolle, in a coordinated squad, or you need to... GET GOOD. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Ridire Greine 26	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:45:00 - [9] - Quote Atiim wrote: And tell me why exactly should one class be the best counter to another? Especially when said class was designed and even titled to take out the other class? Next post from OP: We should make Assaults the best counter to Assaults. Because a giant cannon that can only be carried on the back of a heavy vehicle, should be more effective at taking out a tank (Built for tanking damage), than a small weapon that can be carried by even the weakest of suits. Want a respec? Send me 50mil ISK "Woh i rlly god a respek, 11/10" - IGN
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1188	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:48:00 - [10] - Quote Ridire Greine wrote: Atiim wrote: And tell me why exactly should one class be the best counter to another? Especially when said class was designed and even titled to take out the other class? Next post from OP: We should make Assaults the best counter to Assaults. Because a giant cannon that can only be carried on the back of a heavy vehicle, should be more effective at taking out a tank (Built for tanking damage), than a small weapon that can be carried by even the weakest of suits. Trust me when I say that you don't want to use that logic..... Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND

Ridire Greine 26	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:51:00 - [11] - Quote Atiim wrote: Ridire Greine wrote: Atiim wrote: With that logic, AV should be the best way to counter AV. HAVs would just be a not so good way of doing it. No it doesn't. A Heavy is the hard counter to a pesky Scout, but a Scout isn't the hard counter for a pesky Heavy. The heavy is either running a Duvolle, in a coordinated squad, or you need to... GET GOOD. It takes 3-4 Shots from a Shotgun to take down a Heavy, which takes a little over 2 Seconds maybe, a Scout can be taken down by almost everything in under half a second. (This includes the HMG) A Heavy that cant solo a Scout is a bad Heavy indeed. Want a respec? Send me 50mil ISK "Woh i rlly god a respek, 11/10" - IGN
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1188	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:56:00 - [12] - Quote Ridire Greine wrote: Atiim wrote: Ridire Greine wrote: Atiim wrote: With that logic, AV should be the best way to counter AV. HAVs would just be a not so good way of doing it. No it doesn't. A Heavy is the hard counter to a pesky Scout, but a Scout isn't the hard counter for a pesky Heavy. The heavy is either running a Duvolle, in a coordinated squad, or you need to... GET GOOD. It takes 3-4 Shots from a Shotgun to take down a Heavy, which takes a little over 2 Seconds maybe, a Scout can be taken down by almost everything in under half a second. (This includes the HMG) A Heavy that cant solo a Scout is a bad Heavy indeed. CRG-3 and/or HK4M would like to call BS on that A heavy's tracking speed isn't fast enough for a good scout to get killed from. And if he does I can just jump over him. Ask people like Shotty GoBang, he'll tell ya. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 2157	Posted - 2013.11.20 19:58:00 - [13] - Quote Atiim wrote: And tell me why exactly should one class be the best counter to another? Especially when said class was designed and even titled to take out the other class? Next post from OP: We should make Assaults the best counter to Assaults. The rock-scissor-paper thing is not something the DEVS ever confirmed and it's a broken way to look at DUST. In my opinion, the AV is something you can use to defend yourself and your team as infantry (without having a single SP into vehicles), it shouldn't be more powerful than a tank, lol, that doesn't make any sense! Tanks are mobile artillery and they are much more expensive than infantry gear. They should be more powerful than any infantry weapon... Just for the record, I'm saying goodbye to tanks in 1.7, so my opinion is completely objective and impartial. I'm no longer a vehicle operator. -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Ridire Greine 28	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:28:00 - [14] - Quote Atiim wrote: Ridire Greine wrote: Atiim wrote: Ridire Greine wrote: Atiim wrote: With that logic, AV should be the best way to counter AV. HAVs would just be a not so good way of doing it. No it doesn't. A Heavy is the hard counter to a pesky Scout, but a Scout isn't the hard counter for a pesky Heavy. The heavy is either running a Duvolle, in a coordinated squad, or you need to... GET GOOD. It takes 3-4 Shots from a Shotgun to take down a Heavy, which takes a little over 2 Seconds maybe, a Scout can be taken down by almost everything in under half a second. (This includes the HMG) A Heavy that cant solo a Scout is a bad Heavy indeed. CRG-3 and/or HK4M would like to call BS on that A heavy's tracking speed isn't fast enough for a good scout to get killed from. And if he does I can just jump over him. Ask people like Shotty GoBang, he'll tell ya. Scout Turn Speed = Heavy Turn Speed. Believe it or not, Heavies can tank 3 Shots from an ADV, dont know what kind of **** fits you're going up against. Want a respec? Send me 50mil ISK "Woh i rlly god a respek, 11/10" - IGN
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 206	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:36:00 - [15] - Quote How you can think is balanced to make one guy invulnerable to ALL weapon, so that you need to field another tank, otherwise you are ****** I want the same with my heavy too. Hell, i'm a Heavy suit, why a militia Ar could melt my armor. I want that the only way to kill a heavy is another heavy. WTF is wrong with you guys....If HAV need 3 people to operate, than we can talk about your idea. But until then, the thought of one guys invulnerable for the enemy team is simply bullshit ...and may the FORGE be with you.
Ridire Greine 29	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:39:00 - [16] - Quote Jastad wrote: How you can think is balanced to make one guy invulnerable to ALL weapon, so that you need to field another tank, otherwise you are ****** I want the same with my heavy too. Hell, i'm a Heavy suit, why a militia Ar could melt my armor. I want that the only way to kill a heavy is another heavy. WTF is wrong with you guys....If HAV need 3 people to operate, than we can talk about your idea. But until then, the thought of one guys invulnerable for the enemy team is simply bullshit Point to me where I said HAVs should be invulnerable, please. Want a respec? Send me 50mil ISK "Woh i rlly god a respek, 11/10" - IGN
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 562	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:41:00 - [17] - Quote so anti vehicle should not be effective anti vehicle. instead vehicles should only be anti vehicle. you're a fcking r3tard. if this was the case we'd all just spec into proto rails and damage mods then sit on a hill and r@pe tanks that way. which we might since CCP does seem to be going full r3tard. using a rail is a hell of a lot easier and faster to kill a tank than going against it with a dropsuit that has *** mobility, takes 4 blaster shots to kill, and does way less DPS than a particle cannon while having to get close most of the time.
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1983	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:41:00 - [18] - Quote I think AV should be more of a tank repellant. "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
Ridire Greine 29	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:47:00 - [19] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: so anti vehicle should not be effective anti vehicle. instead vehicles should only be anti vehicle. Ridire Greine wrote: AV should be another effective way. (Just not as effective) Thanks for properly reading my post before losing your cool, no, really, you really did read my post, and for that reason, its cool for you to lose your cool. Sarcasm Operation, Lvl 5 Sarcasm Proficiency, Lvl 5 Sarcasm aside Apparently somewhere I said HAVs should be invulnerable, but not only that, that AV shouldn't be effective at all. Want a respec? Send me 50mil ISK "Woh i rlly god a respek, 11/10" - IGN
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 238	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:50:00 - [20] - Quote ^that, you make a difference if you can DETER a tank, if you kill it he'll either pull out a thale, another tank, or play in mlt fits, adding another Mlt AR to the fray. I say we give any and all players deterrant/repelling assists, for when they deal around 50% hp to an enemy, causing him to cease fire and rep for upwards of 20 seconds. This would apply to heavies, scouts, AV, tanks vs AV, snipers, tank vs tank, 16 ARs versus tank, sniper versus MCC, etc. Edit: it's 2 up from me. -Newly proclaimed Lazor riffle specialist- "You said yourself fantastically 'congratulations you are all alone.'"

Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 731	Posted - 2013.11.20 20:53:00 - [21] - Quote Ridire Greine wrote: Atiim wrote: With that logic, AV should be the best way to counter AV. HAVs would just be a not so good way of doing it. No it doesn't. A Heavy is the hard counter to a pesky Scout, but a Scout isn't the hard counter for a pesky Heavy. In theory, the counter to a scout should be the Logi. The scout should be the class for debuffing the enemy team (through E-War stuff) while the logi buffs their team. The logi is also the class best able to use the scanner (since they don't have to give up nanos and/or uplinks) further pushing them to be the counter to scout. The heavy should be a counter to the assault. The assault is a class that should be all about offense (high attack) while the heavy specializes in defense (high ehp). !
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1624	Posted - 2013.11.20 21:02:00 - [22] - Quote AV fitted Tank- HAV hard counter. AV fitted Suit- HAV soft counter. AV will still scare tanks, which it should. However, it won't be the BEST way to kill a tank. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy Replication Warrior


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