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EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 599	Posted - 2013.11.20 00:39:00 - [1] - Quote After Reading this Post : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=122253&find=unread I realized, that vehicle were going to need a huge amount of sp to get to a decent lvl Also after speaking with a lot of Vehicle Pilots, they said, that those who went away from it, because they werent sustainable and weak and cost innefective, placed their SP into infatry because, it worked. But Most of these guys are planning to return to vehicles but they wont be able to do it, because they dont have enought SP to event get 1 vehicle Becaus of this, we need a full respec "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1167	Posted - 2013.11.20 00:42:00 - [2] - Quote Yes. Tanking is way too boring and stupid easy to be of taste to me. I no longer wish to spam infinite ammo at infantry with ease, so I'm gonna be rocking scouts and logis for a while. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1954	Posted - 2013.11.20 00:48:00 - [3] - Quote I hope they do, if nothing more we'll have more specialized players that put up more of a fight Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1190	Posted - 2013.11.20 00:52:00 - [4] - Quote i agree it only took 10 mil sp to max out tanks. and with 1.7 it seems it will take another 10 mil. with tht i could really use my 8 mil in infantry skills. O_O Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry. Msg my main BobThe843CakeMan I ring for everyone. :D
Name York 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 62	Posted - 2013.11.20 00:53:00 - [5] - Quote Before I saw the new sp requirement of vehicles, I did not want a full respec to happen until the full line of vehicles/dropsuits came out. Now, I am left with no choice other than to hope for one. I got my vehicle skills to where they needed to be to have my pc ready tank, the other 15 mil have gone into infantry for the times I just don't feel like driving around. With the sp requirement so high come 1.7, I simply will not have the sp to be a pc ready tanker, which I have been since planetary conquest's launch, so long ago. Some may say that I should've saved my sp, but how is one to know of such a drastic sp requirement change. I will save until 1.7 should CCP decide against a full respec, but it will be insignificant in comparison to what I will need. Here's to hoping.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5187	Posted - 2013.11.20 00:57:00 - [6] - Quote I'm not a vehicle person at all, but I can understand the need for at least a partial respec of the vehicles and weapons being affected. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Ripcord19981 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 263	Posted - 2013.11.20 00:59:00 - [7] - Quote and with that, ill never be able to achieve my dreams of becoming a tanker I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7831	Posted - 2013.11.20 01:04:00 - [8] - Quote All I know is that my Incubus fit no longer has the slots to work, nor the bonuses to support it, and thus a good portion of my SP is now completely invalid. Adding in all these skills completely changes the way I would have invested because this is base stuff effecting the base functionality of what the entire new vehicle rebalance is based around. It sucks because I want to be excited for this patch but the thought of not being able to build my ship the way it should be built, and having to sit on a bunch of SP that I never would have spent, is aggravating at best. Words / Vids / OSG
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1559	Posted - 2013.11.20 01:11:00 - [9] - Quote IMO there should be a full respec. By the time CCP comes out with another set of content, players should have enough SP to get Level 5 of whatever suit suits them. ö/\ö :D
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1336	Posted - 2013.11.20 01:11:00 - [10] - Quote Everybody should get a full respec when the Pilots and other suits are eventually implemented. But, how many more players will we lose in that time between "vehicles fixed" and the "art department" finally getting their **** together? Cheeseburgers.

ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 475	Posted - 2013.11.20 01:13:00 - [11] - Quote Name York wrote: Before I saw the new sp requirement of vehicles, I did not want a full respec to happen until the full line of vehicles/dropsuits came out. Now, I am left with no choice other than to hope for one. I got my vehicle skills to where they needed to be to have my pc ready tank, the other 15 mil have gone into infantry for the times I just don't feel like driving around. With the sp requirement so high come 1.7, I simply will not have the sp to be a pc ready tanker, which I have been since planetary conquest's launch, so long ago. Some may say that I should've saved my sp, but how is one to know of such a drastic sp requirement change. I will save until 1.7 should CCP decide against a full respec, but it will be insignificant in comparison to what I will need. Here's to hoping. Hardcore Gamer wrote: HTFU you noob! No full respecs! Will cause FotM hopping. Should've saved your SP! I'll remember more later. Damn Imperials! Dust 514 belongs to the ARs!
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 600	Posted - 2013.11.20 01:14:00 - [12] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Everybody should get a full respec when the Pilots and other suits are eventually implemented. But, how many more players will we lose in that time between "vehicles fixed" and the "art department" finally getting their ** together? For when the suits come out, just respec on Dropsuits because they are just adding some things, not completly oerhauling the gameplay of the whole game "Fight Togheter; Win Together"** Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 1128	Posted - 2013.11.20 01:24:00 - [13] - Quote If you can't get into a vehicle right away maybe you should start saving you so right now in 21 days when 1.7 deploys you will have around 1.1 mil to use on vehicles For the Empire! Dual tanking is a sin.
XxWarlordxX97 5537	Posted - 2013.11.20 01:27:00 - [14] - Quote Yes I want to Spec out of the heavy my heavy days are coming to a end Level 5 forum warrior My heavy days are coming to a end
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 1559	Posted - 2013.11.20 01:27:00 - [15] - Quote XxWarlordxX97 wrote: Yes I want to Spec out of the heavy my heavy days are coming to a end Last time I saw you in a match, you got to the objective and got 3 kills with your Boundless before I could get out of our base. ö/\ö :D
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 116	Posted - 2013.11.20 01:27:00 - [16] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: After Reading this Post : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=122253&find=unread I realized, that vehicle were going to need a huge amount of sp to get to a decent lvl Also after speaking with a lot of Vehicle Pilots, they said, that those who went away from it, because they werent sustainable and weak and cost innefective, placed their SP into infatry because, it worked. But Most of these guys are planning to return to vehicles but they wont be able to do it, because they dont have enought SP to event get 1 vehicle Becaus of this, we need a full respec Yup respec for everyone +1
XxWarlordxX97 5537	Posted - 2013.11.20 01:29:00 - [17] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: XxWarlordxX97 wrote: Yes I want to Spec out of the heavy my heavy days are coming to a end Last time I saw you in a match, you got to the objective and got 3 kills with your Boundless before I could get out of our base. Scout/ heavy then Level 5 forum warrior My heavy days are coming to a end
Rowdy Railgunner Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 165	Posted - 2013.11.20 01:49:00 - [18] - Quote With how drastically CCP keeps changing things, and the fact that half the basic race gear isn't even in yet. We deserve another respec.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1337	Posted - 2013.11.20 01:51:00 - [19] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: Rynoceros wrote: Everybody should get a full respec when the Pilots and other suits are eventually implemented. But, how many more players will we lose in that time between "vehicles fixed" and the "art department" finally getting their **** together? For when the suits come out, just respec on Dropsuits because they are just adding some things, not completly oerhauling the gameplay of the whole game Dropsuit availability will effect every aspect of the game. Let's say that I wanted to use Pilot Dropsuits and have since they sloppily put that tab in >6 months before they may actually make it into the game. But, in the meantime I skilled into Heavies and HMGs. Now, what use would I have for Amarr dropsuits, Heavy Weapon Operations, Armor Plating and Reps, etc? None. Full Respec. Cheeseburgers.
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 100	Posted - 2013.11.20 01:52:00 - [20] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: With how drastically CCP keeps changing things, and the fact that half the basic race gear isn't even in yet. We deserve another respec+3 mil sp for noobs that havent even proto'd anything but hmg. recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7834	Posted - 2013.11.20 01:53:00 - [21] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: If you can't get into a vehicle right away maybe you should start saving you so right now in 21 days when 1.7 deploys you will have around 1.1 mil to use on vehicles I'm sure that maths out great Words / Vids / OSG
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1955	Posted - 2013.11.20 01:55:00 - [22] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I'm not a vehicle person at all, but I can understand the need for at least a partial respec of the vehicles and weapons being affected. Well of course, they'll have to do it for vehicle SP. How else would they do it? Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1955	Posted - 2013.11.20 01:56:00 - [23] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: If you can't get into a vehicle right away maybe you should start saving you so right now in 21 days when 1.7 deploys you will have around 1.1 mil to use on vehicles I'm sure that maths out great 21 days, 4-6 months??? Who is counting Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 146	Posted - 2013.11.20 02:11:00 - [24] - Quote Respec not supported, Where not supposed to get all the skills we want this is new eden And plus y'all would complain in a month that vehicle suck their broken and you need a respec Christ is lord Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now. Free tacos
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1955	Posted - 2013.11.20 02:15:00 - [25] - Quote deepfried salad gilliam wrote: Respec not supported, Where not supposed to get all the skills we want this is new eden And plus y'all would complain in a month that vehicle suck their broken and you need a respec Well maybe they will be broken. Should we all have to wait 4 months to find out? Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1057	Posted - 2013.11.20 02:25:00 - [26] - Quote Yes u got my vote 1+ My PS3 is dusty ._. Level 1 Forum Warrior
DEZKA DIABLO Unkn0wn Killers 56	Posted - 2013.11.20 02:39:00 - [27] - Quote Not to mention scouts an heavies that are forced to be a race they might not desire, I have both scouts because after tacnet changes an scanners an armor the minmatar scout became more obsolete than a scout should be
SteelDark Knight Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 153	Posted - 2013.11.20 03:10:00 - [28] - Quote I figured this would happen so I sat on SP and did not spec outside of the vehicle tree so I have 13.5M unallocated SP ready to spend on top of any refund for points already assigned. With that said, I understand why my fellow vehicle drivers went the routes they did and why a respec at some point will be needed.
RedZer0 MK1 The Generals EoN. 104	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:24:00 - [29] - Quote Hilarious to see an anti-respec person switch NOW that his choice of play style is being affected. It's crazy it has been this long and we still don't have the BASICS.
CharCharOdell 1585	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:26:00 - [30] - Quote Atiim wrote: Yes. Tanking is way too boring and stupid easy to be of taste to me. I no longer wish to spam infinite ammo at infantry with ease, so I'm gonna be rocking scouts and logis for a while. nobody cares how easily you kill infantry. that's how noob tankers measure success. it only matters if you can outhtink another tank in PC. Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition

CharCharOdell 1585	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:33:00 - [31] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: i agree it only took 10 mil sp to max out tanks. and with 1.7 it seems it will take another 10 mil. with tht i could really use my 8 mil in infantry skills. O_O my feelings exactly. ive got 6 in tanks and 14 in infantry. at this point, if i dont get a respec, i might as well stop tanking altogether. i dont even like playing infantry, but i do it because tanking isnt profitable. now it MIGHT be, but i cant do it now because tanks were broken for too long. i want a respec so i can play the game i wanted to play, but the game did not reward me for it. Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
EternalRMG KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 605	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:38:00 - [32] - Quote https://twitter.com/kanafchian/status/402967964095217664 LET CCP HEAR YOUR VOICES and pray for a full respec my brothers "Fight Togheter; Win Together" Duster Since: July 2012 Best DropShip Pilot; Soon To be best Jet Fighter Pilot
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance 467	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:46:00 - [33] - Quote I'm looking forward to clearing up a lot of misused vehicle SP and specialise / prepare for my races specific vehicles and weapon mounts. Also I half heartedly wanted an alt to be a tanker but this character had the core skills and was too immensely easy to switch rather than shell out the SP on another character. Now its a clear choice A full respec isn't necessary with the vehicle changes and weapon introductions. I'm sure at some stage it will be necessary. I'd like to think the Dropsuit Command will follow suit with the proposed Vehicle Command and have a generalised start point and allow access to all suits early on but specialise into specifics later. Then a respec would be necessary "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
Name York 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 66	Posted - 2013.11.20 05:39:00 - [34] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: I'm looking forward to clearing up a lot of misused vehicle SP and specialise / prepare for my races specific vehicles and weapon mounts. Also I half heartedly wanted an alt to be a tanker but this character had the core skills and was too immensely easy to switch rather than shell out the SP on another character. Now its a clear choice A full respec isn't necessary with the vehicle changes and weapon introductions. I'm sure at some stage it will be necessary. I'd like to think the Dropsuit Command will follow suit with the proposed Vehicle Command and have a generalised start point and allow access to all suits early on but specialise into specifics later. Then a respec would be necessary You mean once they make dropsuits and weapons a huge sp sink (even more so than now) , but until then don't worry about the vehicle players? Sounds legit. I didn't care if they made tanks even worse, but provided a refund of allocated sp into said trees, but with them substantially increasing the sp requirements of tanks, I need the sp I place d in infantry, for tanks. I would have used those sp for tanks if we had this proposed tree since the beginning. Alas, we did not. This tree change is a more substantial change than when we went from chromosome to uprising; how are we not getting a respec with this? I'm not asking for a respec because my tank's getting nerfed (not saying it is) after knowing it was op and would be nerfed like all the callogis, I'm asking because I want to be able to play this game the way I've wanted to since I began all those months ago, yet wasn't given the ability to go any further into the trees that I enjoy most.


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