I understand where you're coming from, but you can't just have class only items.

and why not?

If DUST was supposed to be an "anyone can be anything" system, then there would be no "heavy/medium/light" suits at all!
There would just be a single open frame and you MAKE it heavy/medium/light based on what modules you put in.
(which would be kinda cool. but that's not what we have)


Besides which, we already have class only items. "Heavy weapons".
As such, "Light modules" seem perfectly fair.

I understand where you're coming from, but you can't just have class only items. What makes everything fair is that everyone has access to everything. A better solution would be for scouts to have an efficacy bonus so that everyone has access to biotics, but scouts will always benefit more.

I understand where you're coming from, but you can't just have class only items. What makes everything fair is that everyone has access to everything. A better solution would be for scouts to have an efficacy bonus so that everyone has access to biotics, but scouts will always benefit more.

Please quote my whole post instead of pointing out something you don't agree with. I iterated the point that make scouts better at using biotics while others can just use them.

Of course, anyone who is playing a super-sprinter medium proto suit right now (You, perhaps, Krom?) ...

I'm sorry, I'll reply to it now then:

"Not good enough".

In my opinion, if someone wants to go significantly faster than other infantry, they should be required to equip light suit or scout suit.
THATS THE POINT OF A LIGHT SUIT. Otherwise, there's not much point in them existing.

I understand where you're coming from, but you can't just have class only items. What makes everything fair is that everyone has access to everything. A better solution would be for scouts to have an efficacy bonus so that everyone has access to biotics, but scouts will always benefit more.

I'm sorry, I'll reply to it now then:

"Not good enough".

In my opinion, if someone wants to go significantly faster than other infantry, they should be required to equip light suit or scout suit.
THATS THE POINT OF A LIGHT SUIT. Otherwise, there's not much point in them existing.

Related to that: even a proto medium, should not be able to outsprint an ADV scout, using ADV modules.
Your proposal allows that.
So; fail.

Similarly for your "can scouts get a speed buff?" question.
The buff would most likely be very minor. Which would still allow the super-sprinter medium suit, to outpace ADV scouts.
Which is ludicrous, and should not be allowed any more.
It is questionable whether they should be able to keep up with even a basic scout suit.

Of course, anyone who is playing a super-sprinter medium proto suit right now (You, perhaps, Krom?) is going to complain bitterly that they wont be able to play like that any more, and they'd actually have to use a scout suit to go fast. (GASP! HORROR!)
Which is the whole point.

I'm sorry, I'll reply to it now then:

"Not good enough".

In my opinion, if someone wants to go significantly faster than other infantry, they should be required to equip light suit or scout suit.
THATS THE POINT OF A LIGHT SUIT. Otherwise, there's not much point in them existing.

Related to that: even a proto medium, should not be able to outsprint an ADV scout, using ADV modules.
Your proposal allows that.
So; fail.

Similarly for your "can scouts get a speed buff?" question.
The buff would most likely be very minor. Which would still allow the super-sprinter medium suit, to outpace ADV scouts.
Which is ludicrous, and should not be allowed any more.
It is questionable whether they should be able to keep up with even a basic scout suit.

Of course, anyone who is playing a super-sprinter medium proto suit right now (You, perhaps, Krom?) is going to complain bitterly that they wont be able to play like that any more, and they'd actually have to use a scout suit to go fast. (GASP! HORROR!)
Which is the whole point.

And that is why this game is utterly failing...because all classes are made redundant by the Med Frame.

Lets get CCPs word on whether or not scouts can get a base speed buff first. The out-running hit detection was said back when hit detection was crap so we need a DEVs input on whether or not scouts we can get a speed boost.

Laurent Cazaderon has said that a speed boost would be one of the things he lobbies for scouts so there is hope of us scouts running like the wind.

As for limiting access to biotics to light frames only, i tend to agree with the people saying modules shouldnt have a hard limit to what frame can use them.

I understand where you're coming from, but you can't just have class only items. What makes everything fair is that everyone has access to everything. A better solution would be for scouts to have an efficacy bonus so that everyone has access to biotics, but scouts will always benefit more.

Name: Nemesis
Hull: Tristan Class
Role: Stealth Bomber

Specifically engineered to fire torpedoes, stealth bombers represent the next generation in covert ops craft. The bombers are designed for sneak attacks on large vessels with powerful missile guidance technology enabling the torpedoes to strike faster and from a longer distance.

Developer: Duvolle Laboratories

Duvolle Labs manufactures sturdy ships with a good mix of offensive and defensive capabilities. Being the foremost manufacturer of particle blasters, its ships tend to favor turrets and thus have somewhat higher power output than normal.

Gallente Frigate Skill Bonus:
10% bonus to torpedo explosion velocity and flight time per level
20% bonus to torpedo velocity per level

Covert Ops Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to bomb thermal damage per level
15% bonus to torpedo thermal damage per level

Role Bonus:
-99.65% reduction in Torpedo Launcher powergrid needs
-50% reduction in Cloak CPU Use
-100% targeting delay after decloaking

Notes: Can fit covert ops cloaks, covert cynosural field generators and bomb launchers. Cloak reactivation delay reduced to 15 seconds.

The Cover Ops Cloaking Device II (or Covops Cloak) makes it possible for the above to move at full speed and warp around while cloaked. While the cloak is active, other pilots are also unable to scan the ship out using either the onboard scanner or scan probes.

Covert Ops cloaks have an advantage over almost any other cloaking device. That being the ability to warp the ship while cloaked. This ability makes it easier to sneak up on unsuspecting prey while warping freely about the system. This lends itself well to covert warfare, and is a tactic employed heavily today.

Cosgar is right about this. If you look at Eve Online, there are is a cloaking module that can be fitted on any ship in Eve. However, certain classes of ships have much greater perks than the regular classes of ships.

...
One more thing to note. In Eve Online there are two types of cloaking modules. A standard cloak and a Covert Ops cloak.

However, the Covops Cloak can ONLY be fitted on a Covert Ops ship. Nothing else.

Having biotics be light frame only does make sense, but I'd rather not go too far down the road of reducing the ways players can customize and specialize their fits. I would like to see more inefficiency when it comes to medium/heavy frames making speed fits though....

To that end I'd be fine if medium/heavy suits can use only the militia or standard biotics, or if they have a penalty such that the modules provide less % benefit on their frames and cost more CPU/PG than when used on light frames.

Or - just let me watch their suits get torn apart from the mechanical stress of moving those tanked suits that fast. I'd be okay with that too....

Scout Biotic Bonus:
-50% CPU/PG Req't
+50% Output Efficacy

Assault Biotic Bonus:
+25% CPU/PG Req't
-25% Output Efficacy

Logi Biotic Bonus:
+50% CPU/PG Req't
-50% Output Efficacy

Sentinal Biotic Bonus:
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Edit: Heavy Weapons are a class-restricted item. Why can't cloak be as well? Scouts still need something unique.