DUST Search - [request] injector WP

Talos Vagheitan wrote:

Levithunder wrote:

Standard injector:60 WP
Advanced injector:65 WP
Prototype injector:70WP
*would encourage people to spec into it not just use the "Walmart brand injector" as my proto logi friend would say.
Please bump if you agree

I agree that the Injectors need tweaking. Right now it's in a logi's best interest to use the cheap injector, and get extra triage points with the rep tool.

The problem with this solution, is that by raising the WP reward for proto injectors, this would increase the problem of pointhawk logi's trying to revive at all costs. It would still be a selfish reward type, as logi's revive only for the warpoints.

I came up with a different solution: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1488496#post1488496

Basically, my idea is to change the reward style of the injector, so that a logi is not rewarded just for picking a player up, but for ensuring they survive a short duration after they are picked up. The injector would get a slight tweak as well to help accomplish this - namely, higher tiered injectors would offer temporary damage resistance, to help make sure your patient survives the 10 seconds required to get your war points. If your patient dies before 10 seconds of you picking them up, you get zero WP.

Take a look at the link to see the plan in more detail.

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Levithunder Butt Hurt Try Hards 131	Posted - 2013.11.18 18:15:00 - [1] - Quote Standard injector:60 WP Advanced injector:65 WP Prototype injector:70WP *would encourage people to spec into it not just use the "Walmart brand injector" as my proto logi friend would say. Please bump if you agree (-í° -£-û -í°) Nerf Me If You Dare.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 462	Posted - 2013.11.18 18:52:00 - [2] - Quote I bet CCP will implement the double-tap WPs first. Bye bye reviving.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 97	Posted - 2013.11.18 20:39:00 - [3] - Quote RKKR wrote: I bet CCP will implement the double-tap WPs first. Bye bye reviving. I know right . Anything that sounds like too right then it's like bye ... bye to whatever it is . So ( tank slots and their current ability ) it seems . " Oh yeah ( * rubbing hands together * ) ... let's make matters worst ... that will teach them . " " Doubts are like flies and should be crushed !!!!!! " I hope that I am THE FLY SWATTER of those in my presence .
Draco Cerberus Hell's Gate Inc 512	Posted - 2013.11.18 23:46:00 - [4] - Quote Levithunder wrote: Standard injector:60 WP Advanced injector:65 WP Prototype injector:70WP would encourage people to spec into it not just use the "Walmart brand injector" as my proto logi friend would say. Please bump if you agree Currently I use my militia BPO for extra repping warpoints when I rez someone, this would give me a reason to use my proto injector One Universe...with friendly fire and Open World Game Play for all!*
Draco Cerberus Hell's Gate Inc 512	Posted - 2013.11.18 23:46:00 - [5] - Quote RKKR wrote: I bet CCP will implement the double-tap WPs first. Bye bye reviving. They should do both... *One Universe...with friendly fire and Open World Game Play for all!*
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5243	Posted - 2013.11.19 00:04:00 - [6] - Quote RKKR wrote: I bet CCP will implement the double-tap WPs first. Bye bye reviving. Reviving already happens so infrequently. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 379	Posted - 2013.11.19 01:39:00 - [7] - Quote Levithunder wrote: Standard injector:60 WP Advanced injector:65 WP Prototype injector:70WP *would encourage people to spec into it not just use the "Walmart brand injector" as my proto logi friend would say. Please bump if you agree I would still get more wp's using a militia injector and militia armor rep though :) which is how i roll when i play my cheapy logi. Its probably the only suit i have that i can easily get over 1k wp's I have militia injector militia rep and militia drop uplinks.
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1259	Posted - 2013.11.19 05:09:00 - [8] - Quote No reason to run good needles even if this was implemented. You'll still get more points out of triage after being picked up. ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| *Losematar* Scout What is a signature?
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 224	Posted - 2013.11.19 06:48:00 - [9] - Quote Levithunder wrote: Standard injector:60 WP Advanced injector:65 WP Prototype injector:70WP *would encourage people to spec into it not just use the "Walmart brand injector" as my proto logi friend would say. Please bump if you agree I agree that the Injectors need tweaking. Right now it's in a logi's best interest to use the cheap injector, and get extra triage points with the rep tool. The problem with this solution, is that by raising the WP reward for proto injectors, this would increase the problem of pointhawk logi's trying to revive at all costs. It would still be a selfish reward type, as logi's revive only for the warpoints. I came up with a different solution: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1488496#post1488496 Basically, my idea is to change the reward style of the injector, so that a logi is not rewarded just for picking a player up, but for ensuring they survive a short duration after they are picked up. The injector would get a slight tweak as well to help accomplish this - namely, higher tiered injectors would offer temporary damage resistance, to help make sure your patient survives the 10 seconds required to get your war points. If your patient dies before 10 seconds of you picking them up, you get zero WP. Take a look at the link to see the plan in more detail. Who cares what some sniper has to say
Niuvo NECROM0NGERS 780	Posted - 2013.11.19 07:34:00 - [10] - Quote 70 wp for wyrkomi and 5 wp for double-tap?

Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 2074	Posted - 2013.11.19 10:51:00 - [11] - Quote 60WP is pretty damn high for a revive; I think it should be the maximum. MLT->BSC->ADV->PRO 20->35->50->60 This should discourage people going around with MLT injectors simply to grab points, and those with basic injectors will want their targets to survive to also gain Triage WP. It could be argued that people will revive less frequently with less WP rewards, but if this change comes with shield bubbles (hopefully early 2014) then I see revives becoming more popular again. Also if we change scanners so that 1 enhanced dampener is enough to go undetected by advanced scanners, then logininjas can revive people under the radar and also become an 'invisible' force multiplier healing heavies without being noticed unless visually spotted. "When nothing is going your way, go out of your way to do nothing."
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 892	Posted - 2013.11.19 11:20:00 - [12] - Quote What does it matter? The WP for revive is capped. Reviving many clones will get a few +60 then nothing until the magic counter is reset. The same if true for most Logi functions. The only except might be the Drop Uplink but that is hard to verify one way or the other without a Dev responding. Not that it matters for this discussion. Revive a downer three times and you will get two revives, anything else is No Go Logi Bro. The same is true for reviving many clones quickly, same WP limits kick in. WP limits for repair are still in place, regardless of my Heavy having 800HP armor. Please note I was polite here. This is a request we have been getting since CCP/Shanghai ganked the Logi WP rates back in Closed Beta. So just add it to the pile of posts that are exactly the same. Where it will get ignored exactly as those previous to it.
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 508	Posted - 2013.11.19 13:06:00 - [13] - Quote allot of people throwing out suggestions who actually know nothing about logis and how wp are earned with their equipment. proto rep tool and prot needle are not isk/wp/fitting efficient. mlt needle and mlt repair tool are not wp efficient. the only problem here is you retards who think kdr is important. saving isk, saving a clone is what's important. i couldn't care less about your kdr. my job regardless is to keep you alive and i will do my job as long as it is worth doing. forcing logis to fit proto equipment at the expense of tank just to compete for wp would pretty much kill off logi needle users. you cannot in any way fit a proto needle and a proto rep tool without sacrificing significant amounts of tank. tank the only thing important while using a needle. your perception its a massive wp earner for everyone is just stupid. i fit a militia needle so i can fit a proto repair tool. and i tell you now when i do use that suit with those equipment i am far from raking in wp. infact my needle/repair suit is my lowest earning suit. my nanohive/uplink suit nets me double and often triple the wp earned from my needle suit. i tell you now if i was forced to use a proto needle to compete i would just forget the needle completely and let you lose a suit. meanwhile i will be farming wp of you re-cloning at my uplink. you lose a suit i still gain wp. if that is the way you want to go with this then its only you who will suffer. all this scaling wp to the type of gear used is just going to open up a floodgate for doing the same for everything else in dust. would it be acceptable to make mlt weapons give only 20wp for a kill etc. no it wouldn't and would destroy the game. why would it be acceptable to do this with a needle Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
ADAM-OF-EVE Svartur Bjorn 508	Posted - 2013.11.19 13:14:00 - [14] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: Levithunder wrote: Standard injector:60 WP Advanced injector:65 WP Prototype injector:70WP would encourage people to spec into it not just use the "Walmart brand injector" as my proto logi friend would say. Please bump if you agree I agree that the Injectors need tweaking. Right now it's in a logi's best interest to use the cheap injector, and get extra triage points with the rep tool. The problem with this solution, is that by raising the WP reward for proto injectors, this would increase the problem of pointhawk logi's trying to revive at all costs. It would still be a selfish reward type, as logi's revive only for the warpoints. I came up with a different solution: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1488496#post1488496 Basically, my idea is to change the reward style of the injector, so that a logi is not rewarded just for picking a player up, but for ensuring they survive a short duration after they are picked up. The injector would get a slight tweak as well to help accomplish this - namely, higher tiered injectors would offer temporary damage resistance, to help make sure your patient survives the 10 seconds required to get your war points. If your patient dies before 10 seconds of you picking them up, you get zero WP. Take a look at the link to see the plan in more detail. it is your own responsibility to keep yourself alive, not the logis, he is just there to assist you in doing so. making logis responsible for keeping you alive is just *******. 90% of players don't even stop and wait for repair before they run off and now you want to base wp on this. absolutely bad idea. repair tools are dead with this idea. i wont use one for sure if this happened. Ten soldiers wisely led will beat a hundred without a head https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find


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