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Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
376
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Posted - 2013.11.17 22:57:00 -
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That is all.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
5178
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Posted - 2013.11.17 22:59:00 -
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Most people just want to blame their nigh-instant deaths on something, and damage mods are easy to blame.
Even without damage mods, though, people would die ridiculously easily.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
7691
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Posted - 2013.11.17 23:02:00 -
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As someone who adamantly refuses to put anything other than complex damage mods in my high slots, I whole heartedly support their nerfing or removal.
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Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
268
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Posted - 2013.11.17 23:04:00 -
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Excellent counter points. I'm sure you'll win many to your side with such superb arguments. I cant believe it's that easy; just insult your opposition and you win. Let me try: you're a terrible debater and shouldn't start arguments you can't back up.
Man that was easy. Have a nice day.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
7878
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Posted - 2013.11.17 23:05:00 -
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What about the remove the proficiency skill crowd? Damage mods are fine because you have to give up something to use them. Proficiency is a passive with no risk vs reward attached to it.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
377
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Posted - 2013.11.17 23:09:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Excellent counter points. I'm sure you'll win many to your side with such superb arguments. I cant believe it's that easy; just insult your opposition and you win. Let me try: you're a terrible debater and shouldn't start arguments you can't back up.
Man that was easy. Have a nice day.
Yes arguing with a moron is definitely the intelligent thing to do. *facepalm*
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DoubleTap420
Pradox One
Proficiency V.
124
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Posted - 2013.11.17 23:10:00 -
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Make complex 7% and remove the proficiency damage. I dont have damage as my shotgun proficiency. Which isn't fair!!! Lol
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SoTarian PoParrazi
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
236
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Posted - 2013.11.17 23:10:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Excellent counter points. I'm sure you'll win many to your side with such superb arguments. I cant believe it's that easy; just insult your opposition and you win. Let me try: you're a terrible debater and shouldn't start arguments you can't back up.
Man that was easy. Have a nice day. Yes arguing with a moron is definitely the intelligent thing to do. *facepalm*
Did... you just call yourself a moron? >_>
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ACE OF JOKERS
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
60
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Posted - 2013.11.17 23:12:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote:That is all.
Well, now thats an elaborate argument worth of a man that calls others dumb.
heh...
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Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
377
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Posted - 2013.11.17 23:13:00 -
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SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Excellent counter points. I'm sure you'll win many to your side with such superb arguments. I cant believe it's that easy; just insult your opposition and you win. Let me try: you're a terrible debater and shouldn't start arguments you can't back up.
Man that was easy. Have a nice day. Yes arguing with a moron is definitely the intelligent thing to do. *facepalm* Did... you just call yourself a moron? >_>
Oh ya, well I rubber and your glue beaoch... I think you know how the rest of this conversation is going to go.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
981
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Posted - 2013.11.17 23:31:00 -
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While the removal of damage is a bit excessive, reworking damage mods and defenses is likely in order.
It is my personal opinion that the inflation of damage is getting out of hand, much like it was for vehicles some time ago. While massive damage output is perhaps ideal for other FPS games, I feel it violates much of what the EVE universe is trying to do. Generally speaking, one should have to sacrifice defense in order to increase damage output. However many setups allow for extensive defense and inflated damage output, which leads to the problem many players are currently experiencing.
One of the major factors behind the damage mods for infantry is that the Complex module gives a +10% to damage. While this may not seem like much at first, the difference in damage between Militia and Prototype weapons is generally around 10%. On top of that, the Proficiency skill offers an addition +15% on most weapons, thus permanently making Militia and Standard weapons output damage above that of a base Prototype weapon, regardless of modules.
I'm not a fan of nerfing the proficiency bonus, I feel that is a just reward for investing that much SP. However, a more appropriate way to deal with this issue would be to either decrease the amount of damage that the damage mod offers, or increase the resource cost of the modules in order to make them more difficult to equip. CPU would likely be the best way to balance this, as one could increase CPU with a CPU Upgrade module at the cost of armor defense.
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Meeko Fent
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
1572
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Posted - 2013.11.17 23:41:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Most people just want to blame their nigh-instant deaths on something, and damage mods are easy to blame.
Even without damage mods, though, people would die ridiculously easily.
1.5 Seconds=Instant I guess...
Seriously though DMG mods are one of the few things that make snipers good.
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Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
357
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Posted - 2013.11.17 23:54:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Most people just want to blame their nigh-instant deaths on something, and damage mods are easy to blame.
Even without damage mods, though, people would die ridiculously easily. 1.5 Seconds=Instant I guess... Seriously though DMG mods are one of the few things that make snipers good.
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Daxxis KANNAH
Distinct Covert Initiative
453
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Posted - 2013.11.18 00:39:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:What about the remove the proficiency skill crowd? Damage mods are fine because you have to give up something to use them. Proficiency is a passive with no risk vs reward attached to it.
But at least you have to skill up very far to use them and they are limited to that weapon.
Damage Mods is a one fit all skill that makes a std weapon proto damage - not even close to being the same.
Damage mods can go but are obvious faves because of the only true alternative being extenders. |
Mortedeamor
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
748
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Posted - 2013.11.18 00:48:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote:SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Excellent counter points. I'm sure you'll win many to your side with such superb arguments. I cant believe it's that easy; just insult your opposition and you win. Let me try: you're a terrible debater and shouldn't start arguments you can't back up.
Man that was easy. Have a nice day. Yes arguing with a moron is definitely the intelligent thing to do. *facepalm* Did... you just call yourself a moron? >_> Oh ya, well I rubber and your glue beaoch... I think you know how the rest of this conversation is going to go.
whoa ..i thought we all left the 3rd grade behind us
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1107
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Posted - 2013.11.18 00:48:00 -
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While some nerf ideas are stupid, such as restricting a dropsuit to sidearms only; others are very legitimate.
Such as TTK
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
491
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Posted - 2013.11.18 00:51:00 -
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Could we just do this to help with the Damage mods >< Shields
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STABBEY
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
472
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Posted - 2013.11.18 04:20:00 -
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
2858
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Posted - 2013.11.18 04:23:00 -
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STABBEY wrote:sç+(-¼GÇ+-¼)sç+ So the noobs are going to quit blaming my AR now?! About damn time +¬(GùŦ«¦âGÇó)¦¦
scrubs will always find something to blame their stupidity on. |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
719
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Posted - 2013.11.18 04:29:00 -
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SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:Ignoble Son wrote:
Yes arguing with a moron is definitely the intelligent thing to do. *facepalm*
Did... you just call yourself a moron? >_>
LOL!!! Epic....
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