DUST Search - Its the players fault???

Vrain Matari wrote:

noob cavman wrote:

You can pub stomp in standard gear though What?

Passive skills help.

noob cavman wrote:

In fact dust atm is more new player friendly than ever with even militia ar being able to splatter a proto suit with little problem .

+2 noob cavman. Both points are solid and a big part of the heart of this argument. I personally think CCP has done a pretty good job with the balancing.

Assert Dominance, you're a very strong player and would dominate pubs even in militia gear. As would many others. And you are right, ultimately CCP is responsible for game design and taking steps to ensure a good NPE.

But it is also true that we are each responsible for our actions. Even on the internet, even in a videogame.

My personal answer to this situation is advanced gear only, which is a still-huge advantage over newberries when worn by a vet. If you restrict yourself to pulling out proto only when there's a squad or two of PC fullproto asshats on the other side smooshing your noobs into pulp, then you'll still have many opportunities to go proto - With the understanding that you use it to take on the rabid, slavering monsters on the other side, ofc.

But far more interesting is the speculation that CCP actually wants it this way(hey, a merc can dream!).

Let's forget the hatemail from fragile-ego'd enemies that have fallen to damage amped Duvolles. Lets focus on the hatemail that comes from people who genuinely care for the game. We've all lived through stompings in this game and we're still here, still playing and presumably still enjoying the game. We also know that there are some peeps who take the beatings, stick around and get stronger. So why are people freaking about protogeared pubstomps?

I think the only reason anybody cares is because of the low player numbers and the perception that DUST is in jeopardy. But i'm speculating that maybe things are not as bad as we think, so here's a theory: This protostomping in pubs is actually ok with the people who make decisions at CCP. This is not to say they are 100% comfortable with this and are no doubt keeping a close eye on the issue, but it would be consistent with the attitude of the creators of New Eden.

First, let's look at player numbers: on the server graphs you can see that player activity was at an all-time low when 1.5 was released. If we look now and pick out Oct 5 we see that it sits at the bottom of a very shallow bowl. Player numbers are slooowly climbing. Given the incomplete/buggy state of the game, the current lack of content and the reviews this is actually a bit surprising. And it is climbing at a time when vets are leaving(or say that they are leaving ;). It's rising in the face of COD, KZ, BF4, PS4. Who'da thunk it?

So if player numbers are rising despite pubstomps and all that competition, why should CCP worry about some butthurt hatemail? I know i wouldn't. This game was always supposed to be hard. Presumably when we've got all the basic content in place the retention numbers will be better. Six months of that kind of growth and we'll have good numbers and a working matchmaker.

Second, every vet here knows standard and even militia gear is viable in pubs. Well, believe it or not, CCP knows this too. And CCP knows that the qq is coming from players who's expectations of what an FPS is were formed by the mass-market games we have today. It's like that great article about Red Orchestra/COD that Cosgar keeps on linking(Don't stop, bro!). So why would CCP change the game to cater to a segment that cannot be satisfied?

There's actually a couple of more points to this argument, but it's already too wall-of-textish, so enuf. And apologies.


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Acturus Galaxy Happy Pumpkin 176	Posted - 2013.11.17 12:16:00 - [1] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: Ive gotten over 5 peopl sending me butthurt messages over this past week saying people like me are ruining dust. So because i do really well and use good gear im ruining the game? I usually dont say this but htfu ffs. I run a scout which is even funnier and get for smacking around players that arent very experienced. How and why is that my problem? Blame ccp for removing corporate contracts and not having a solo playlist or proper matchmaking, not players who just want to play legitimately and are good. The problem is being a scout as I have experienced the last few weeks playing it exclusively is, we are preying on lonely vulnerable targets hanging back which most often is new players. I sometimes feel very bad doing this, odd that I feel bad about shooting others in a FPS game. I sometimes sacrifices myself multiple times if my team are doing the proto stomping. I engage a red dot and when he is almost unable to hit me even when I am standing still I know it is someone new to FPS games. I just take a few shots above their heads, stand still and let him shoot me. And seeing the kill report showing 1/11 makes me feel good, hoping this dude will not rage quit yet
Acturus Galaxy Happy Pumpkin 178	Posted - 2013.11.17 13:20:00 - [2] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: Stefan Stahl wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: Ivreal lifee gotten over 5 peopl sending me butthurt messages over this past week saying people like me are ruining dust. So because i do really well and use good gear im ruining the game? I usually dont say this but htfu ffs. I run a scout which is even funnier and get for smacking around players that arent very experienced. How and why is that my problem? Blame ccp for removing corporate contracts and not having a solo playlist or proper matchmaking, not players who just want to play legitimately and are good. I beat children for personal pleasure and it's the police's fault for not stopping me. Not that I care, but your argument seems flawed. You may want to rethink that. real life... Video game... Your arguement is more flawed then mine. Troll better. It is not that far off, some find enjoyment of getting easy wins, other prefer the challenges. Like you have some playing on die hard modes in every game while other google immortal hack codes the same second they receive a new game. A matter of personal taste, difficult to cater both of them. For the moment only the die hard players will prevail during the first harsh months in Dust, it would be nice if we could retain and have room for the more easy going players instead of chasing them away. I still wonder how some find fun in pub stomping, ending OMS ambush matches with something like 75-0 clones, and do this repeatable. We will just have to acknowledge that different player opinions on what is fun exist in Dust, the tricky part is to give room for both playstyles without alienating any of them. For the moment we need more players, not chasing them away.
Acturus Galaxy Happy Pumpkin 178	Posted - 2013.11.17 13:41:00 - [3] - Quote The next week will be hard on new players with the upcoming event. I will run proto weapons to get my hands on some of the quafe scout suits but will try and stay in FW. I am guess more will do the same, it will probable end up costing allot of isk.
Acturus Galaxy Happy Pumpkin 181	Posted - 2013.11.17 16:18:00 - [4] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: noob cavman wrote: You can pub stomp in standard gear though Passive skills help. noob cavman wrote: In fact dust atm is more new player friendly than ever with even militia ar being able to splatter a proto suit with little problem . +2 noob cavman. Both points are solid and a big part of the heart of this argument. I personally think CCP has done a pretty good job with the balancing. Assert Dominance, you're a very strong player and would dominate pubs even in militia gear. As would many others. And you are right, ultimately CCP is responsible for game design and taking steps to ensure a good NPE. But it is also true that we are each responsible for our actions. Even on the internet, even in a videogame. My personal answer to this situation is advanced gear only, which is a still-huge advantage over newberries when worn by a vet. If you restrict yourself to pulling out proto only when there's a squad or two of PC fullproto asshats on the other side smooshing your noobs into pulp, then you'll still have many opportunities to go proto - With the understanding that you use it to take on the rabid, slavering monsters on the other side, ofc. But far more interesting is the speculation that CCP actually wants it this way(hey, a merc can dream!). Let's forget the hatemail from fragile-ego'd enemies that have fallen to damage amped Duvolles. Lets focus on the hatemail that comes from people who genuinely care for the game. We've all lived through stompings in this game and we're still here, still playing and presumably still enjoying the game. We also know that there are some peeps who take the beatings, stick around and get stronger. So why are people freaking about protogeared pubstomps? I think the only reason anybody cares is because of the low player numbers and the perception that DUST is in jeopardy. But i'm speculating that maybe things are not as bad as we think, so here's a theory: This protostomping in pubs is actually ok with the people who make decisions at CCP. This is not to say they are 100% comfortable with this and are no doubt keeping a close eye on the issue, but it would be consistent with the attitude of the creators of New Eden. First, let's look at player numbers: on the server graphs you can see that player activity was at an all-time low when 1.5 was released. If we look now and pick out Oct 5 we see that it sits at the bottom of a very shallow bowl. Player numbers are slooowly climbing. Given the incomplete/buggy state of the game, the current lack of content and the reviews this is actually a bit surprising. And it is climbing at a time when vets are leaving(or say that they are leaving ;). It's rising in the face of COD, KZ, BF4, PS4. Who'da thunk it? So if player numbers are rising despite pubstomps and all that competition, why should CCP worry about some butthurt hatemail? I know i wouldn't. This game was always supposed to be hard. Presumably when we've got all the basic content in place the retention numbers will be better. Six months of that kind of growth and we'll have good numbers and a working matchmaker. Second, every vet here knows standard and even militia gear is viable in pubs. Well, believe it or not, CCP knows this too. And CCP knows that the qq is coming from players who's expectations of what an FPS is were formed by the mass-market games we have today. It's like that great article about Red Orchestra/COD that Cosgar keeps on linking(Don't stop, bro!). So why would CCP change the game to cater to a segment that cannot be satisfied? There's actually a couple of more points to this argument, but it's already too wall-of-textish, so enuf. And apologies. Well said, that is exactly my concern, that the small player count eventually will end Dust. I love the balance/imbalance and the sense of despair and rage that a game have on me. Other games are boring compared to this game, also the same reason I initially was drawn towards EVE. I just hope we soon have enough numbers to avoid being ported to the other region servers, the lagging is the biggest challenge.