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DeadlyAztec11
Gallente Federation
2483
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Posted - 2013.11.11 23:34:00 -
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A Gallante paramilitists over view of Caldari infantry and their methods.
The ever feverish Caldari have spent more effort in developing their military than any other of the four Empires under CONCORD jurisdiction.
Preferring long range combat to CQB or even mid ranged combat, their weapon selection complements these sensibilities. During the Gallante - Caldari war the most used weaponry was black powder based small arms, though, as both sides developed shield technology these primitive projectile weapons became obsolete. Instead, the Caldari embraced a Gallante weapon, the rail gun. Powerful, simple, accurate, rail weapon was the most technologically advanced weaponry that was also extremely practical. Although requiring more training and more control then contemporary projectile or plasma weapons, this level of discipline was not off putting to the Caldari whom welcomed such a high skill weapon. These first iterations were under the Gauss class designation, though, the last of these models, the MK25, is to be SOONGäó replaced by the more modern Rail Rifle. The Rail Rifle has proven in testing to be more effective for piercing shields than it's predecessor.
Caldari infantry armor was scaled around ease of manufacture and efficiency. As such, armor is kept only on important areas while the main mode of defense is shields. Shields are preferred since they do not use a large amount of physical material, instead focusing on power usage. Due to shields being easily dispatched even by low tech projectile weapons at a close distance, they were quite adept to use of long range combat, where reduced weapon efficiency could minimize damage dealt to shields.
Although the Caldari do not prefer to engage in CQC they do offer some solutions. Low rate of fire weapons like the Magsec SMG and Bolt Pistol are very powerful in terms of individual shots, though they are restricted by ammo capacity and the high training needed to use them effectively in a chaotic close encounter. A basic tool also employed by Caldari Operatives who must take out unsuspecting victims in the fastest way possible is the Nova Knife. Usually dual wielded, the Nova Knife time and again proves to be a low power solution against the unsuspecting, as well as lethal in close quarter fighting when a soldier is skilled in one of the many martial disciplines of the Caldari cultures.
Overall, the Caldari tend to push up through the longest range possible, exposing the least of their bodies while behind defenses. Reconnaissance is also done mostly via long distance surveillance through the use of scopes and other forms of visual identification. Suppressing fire is not a tactic that is often employed, as Caldari doctrine exemplifies accuracy and pin point precision, spraying of shots would be counter to this principle.
As such, the Caldari Military has managed to find a nice balancing point between the triumvirate of cost, modernity and efficiency.
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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Dagger-Two
Villore Joint Task Force
Villore Accords
137
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Posted - 2013.11.16 00:46:00 -
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Actually, by the time the first Gallente-Caldari war broke out, the Caldari had already embraced more advanced weaponry, since the Gallente openly shared technology amongst the constituent states of the Federation.
(( also, it wouldn't be proper to call them 'black powder' weapons. Traditional bullet-shooting or 'projectile' weapons (though rail and gauss weapons are still technically ptojectile weapons of a different form) still exist and are still some of the most widely used firearms in new eden. Modern propellants and materials make these weapons still very deadly and effective. Even today you will find them in service with every empire, and manufactured by nearly every major arms maker in the cluster. )) |
DeadlyAztec11
Gallente Federation
2597
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Posted - 2013.11.16 03:16:00 -
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Dagger-Two wrote:Actually, by the time the first Gallente-Caldari war broke out, the Caldari had already embraced more advanced weaponry, since the Gallente openly shared technology amongst the constituent states of the Federation.
(( also, it wouldn't be proper to call them 'black powder' weapons. Traditional bullet-shooting or 'projectile' weapons (though rail and gauss weapons are still technically ptojectile weapons of a different form) still exist and are still some of the most widely used firearms in new eden. Modern propellants and materials make these weapons still very deadly and effective. Even today you will find them in service with every empire, and manufactured by nearly every major arms maker in the cluster. ))
Yes but the Caldari did not have the factories to manufacture enough of the more advanced weaponry for some years, so projectile weapons and explosives were widely used at the beginning of the war until they could be supplemented.
((Just called them black powder weapons as more of a comparison.))
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
355
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Posted - 2013.11.16 06:26:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Yes but the Caldari did not have the factories to manufacture enough of the more advanced weaponry for some years, so projectile weapons and explosives were widely used at the beginning of the war until they could be supplemented.
((Just called them black powder weapons as more of a comparison.))
Sigh.
Soldier ... gods and spirits....
The Caldari not only had factories, they had colonies. Plural. Secret, even, which was part of how the conflict started. My homeworld was one of the sites. The Caldari uplifted the urban parts of Achura, which they call Saisio III.
They not only had factories, they had the capability to elevate other civilizations to post-spaceflight status on very nearly a planetary scale.
To give you a sense of how this went:
The Gallentean Cultural Deliverance Society (CDS) arrived on Caldari Prime 114 standard years after first contact. Let's take that-- the start of the Gallentean uplift of the Caldari-- as our year zero.
Year 53: first Caldari corporation established
Year 190: first warp drive created (a joint Caldari/Gallente venture)
Year 524: Caldari/Gallente War begins
... and continues for approximately 93 years.
That ended only about a century ago.
The Caldari weren't exactly a bunch of semi-industrialized yokels, soldier. They had been partners to the Gallente in creating the Federation, and were centuries post-uplift by the time hostilities broke out in earnest.
Your analysis of typical Caldari combat tactics is solid. We're not exactly above using blasters, though, any more than you Gallente are allergic to rails. |
DeadlyAztec11
Gallente Federation
2597
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Posted - 2013.11.16 07:37:00 -
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Pardon my wording, I meant to say that they did not have sufficient factories to supplement more archaic weapons. So they were forced to make do with an assortment of weapons and ammo types, until they could be standardized.
The same lack of standardization was present in suit designs. As they were very different across not just regiments but individual squads. The Caldari rebels of time past would have looked similar to the modern Minmatar border security forces.
This standardization took a few years to implement, as factories had to byme constructed, repurposed and re constructed. The fact that the Federation was consistently targeting said facilities did not help the standardization process, nor did the embargo against the State and freezing of its assets.
Aye, I agree with your assessment that Plasma and projectile weapons have not been phased out any of the Empires, except save the Amarr who never really embraced Plasma weaponry as much as the other territories.
I plan on giving a Gallante interpretation/view on each of the Empires. I will even do a reflection on the fighting methods of the Gallante. The Minmatar are going to be a debacle, but I relish the challenge.
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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Galm Fae
Eskola Ergonomics
144
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Posted - 2013.11.16 07:59:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:
As a personal note, Caldari and Minmatar technologies work very well together, though I don't think Caldari combat strategy has really embraced hit-and-run tactics since the early days of the war.
Pardon me for intruding, but now might be a good time to stress the importance of asymmetric warfare and unconventional tactics in standard Caldari operation procedure. I can't tell you the amount of times back in the Legion that I've seen a small contingent of predominantly Caldari soldiers overrun a force at least five times it's size. Creativity, it seems, is the most deadly tool on the battlefield. In the regard, Caldari and Minmatar tech play pivotal rolls with each other.
In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.
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Dagger-Two
Villore Joint Task Force
Villore Accords
137
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Posted - 2013.11.16 08:06:00 -
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((Not to seem like i'm trying to rain on your parade, but the Amarr actually use a lot of plasma weaponry. Laser-based small arms have always had issues with efficiency and power consumption. Weapons like the laser rifle and scrambler rifle in dust are very new advances in handheld laser weapons, and you will find plasma and projectile weapons in far greater numbers among Amarrian soldiers)) |
DeadlyAztec11
Gallente Federation
2597
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Posted - 2013.11.16 08:13:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:
As a personal note, Caldari and Minmatar technologies work very well together, though I don't think Caldari combat strategy has really embraced hit-and-run tactics since the early days of the war.
Pardon me for intruding, but now might be a good time to stress the importance of asymmetric warfare and unconventional tactics in standard Caldari operation procedure. I can't tell you the amount of times back in the Legion that I've seen a small contingent of predominantly Caldari soldiers overrun a force at least five times it's size. Creativity, it seems, is the most deadly tool on the battlefield. In the regard, Caldari and Minmatar tech play pivotal rolls with each other. It is the tactics that differ. I shall elaborate further after I make an account of the Minmatar techniques, though here is the rough and cut of it; asymmetric warfare:
The Caldari tend to ambush their opponents from a long distance and finish them from said distance. The Minmatar tend to cause the most damage possible and then retreat as fast as they can before the opposition can regroup and make an effective defense, from this point onwards the Minmatar keep on picking apart their opponents. All the while, the opposition fails to chase them down, the Minmatar then deliver the final blow to a weakened opposition.
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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DeadlyAztec11
Gallente Federation
2597
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Posted - 2013.11.16 08:14:00 -
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Dagger-Two wrote:((Not to seem like i'm trying to rain on your parade, but the Amarr actually use a lot of plasma weaponry. Laser-based small arms have always had issues with efficiency and power consumption. Weapons like the laser rifle and scrambler rifle in dust are very new advances in handheld laser weapons, and you will find plasma and projectile weapons in far greater numbers among Amarrian soldiers))
((Oops, my bad. I'll fix it.))
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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Leithe Askarii
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.11.16 09:51:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:
As a personal note, Caldari and Minmatar technologies work very well together, though I don't think Caldari combat strategy has really embraced hit-and-run tactics since the early days of the war.
Pardon me for intruding, but now might be a good time to stress the importance of asymmetric warfare and unconventional tactics in standard Caldari operation procedure. I can't tell you the amount of times back in the Legion that I've seen a small contingent of predominantly Caldari soldiers overrun a force at least five times it's size. Creativity, it seems, is the most deadly tool on the battlefield. In the regard, Caldari and Minmatar tech play pivotal rolls with each other.
I suppose you might see that is some of the more reknown Caldari units.....can't remember the last time one of my superiors was flexible enough with regulations not to cite me post op.....
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Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
356
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Posted - 2013.11.16 15:21:00 -
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Hm. A couple additional notes:
Two specific Caldari strengths are in electronic counter-measures and guided explosive projectiles. The former, we haven't yet seen very much of on the clone soldier battlefield. The latter, however, is present in quantity: clone soldier swarm launchers and AV grenades are both applications of Caldari technology.
As another aside, the Ishukone megacorporation has been dipping its toes more than a little into Minmatar technology at the high end, producing both top-of-the-line nova knives (Caldari tech that works brilliantly with Minmatar suit designs) and assault submachine guns. |
Galm Fae
Eskola Ergonomics
144
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Posted - 2013.11.16 21:30:00 -
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Leithe Askarii wrote:Galm Fae wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:
As a personal note, Caldari and Minmatar technologies work very well together, though I don't think Caldari combat strategy has really embraced hit-and-run tactics since the early days of the war.
Pardon me for intruding, but now might be a good time to stress the importance of asymmetric warfare and unconventional tactics in standard Caldari operation procedure. I can't tell you the amount of times back in the Legion that I've seen a small contingent of predominantly Caldari soldiers overrun a force at least five times it's size. Creativity, it seems, is the most deadly tool on the battlefield. In the regard, Caldari and Minmatar tech play pivotal rolls with each other. I suppose you might see that is some of the more reknown Caldari units.....can't remember the last time one of my superiors was flexible enough with regulations not to cite me post op.....
What units did you serve in? I am willing to admit that my service to the State wasn't your... ehm... Typical military MO. I'm sure your average unit would stick to plans rigorously, but there are still several units in Caldari Space that thrive of clandestine operations in various forms of asymmetric warfare.
The State has the smallest population of four empires, and we capitalize on efficiency. It'd only make since that we developed things like electronic support and unconventional tactics to act as a force multiplier.
In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.
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Leithe Askarii
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.11.16 23:45:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Leithe Askarii wrote:Galm Fae wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:
As a personal note, Caldari and Minmatar technologies work very well together, though I don't think Caldari combat strategy has really embraced hit-and-run tactics since the early days of the war.
Pardon me for intruding, but now might be a good time to stress the importance of asymmetric warfare and unconventional tactics in standard Caldari operation procedure. I can't tell you the amount of times back in the Legion that I've seen a small contingent of predominantly Caldari soldiers overrun a force at least five times it's size. Creativity, it seems, is the most deadly tool on the battlefield. In the regard, Caldari and Minmatar tech play pivotal rolls with each other. I suppose you might see that is some of the more reknown Caldari units.....can't remember the last time one of my superiors was flexible enough with regulations not to cite me post op..... What units did you serve in? I am willing to admit that my service to the State wasn't your... ehm... Typical military MO. I'm sure your average unit would stick to plans rigorously, but there are still several units in Caldari Space that thrive of clandestine operations in various forms of asymmetric warfare. The State has the smallest population of four empires, and we capitalize on efficiency. It'd only make since that we developed things like electronic support and unconventional tactics to act as a force multiplier.
Don't think I ever qualified to serve in State military units, I always got assigned to station side security ops....
I kind of slipped through the cracks a couple of years back, not that the State wants to hire people like myself to do the more prestigious work....either way it suits me just fine.
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Galm Fae
Eskola Ergonomics
144
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Posted - 2013.11.17 01:54:00 -
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Leithe Askarii wrote:
Don't think I ever qualified to serve in State military units, I always got assigned to station side security ops....
I kind of slipped through the cracks a couple of years back, not that the State wants to hire people like myself to do the more prestigious work....either way it suits me just fine.
Ah, so your one of those types, eh? Jaalandei hido? Uka domakasta kulai?
((Translation: You're a dissident then? Where are you from?"))
In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.
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Leithe Askarii
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.11.17 07:17:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Leithe Askarii wrote:
Don't think I ever qualified to serve in State military units, I always got assigned to station side security ops....
I kind of slipped through the cracks a couple of years back, not that the State wants to hire people like myself to do the more prestigious work....either way it suits me just fine.
Ah, so your one of those types, eh? Jaalandei hido? Uka domakasta kulai?((Translation: You're a dissident then? Where are you from?"))
Spirits know where I hail from, its probably in my records if I were to check....one of the many corporate space stations though, that at least I can remember off the top of my head.
I'm not so much a dissident as I am one of the unlucky few who slipped through the cracks of State life.... I love the State about as much as myself, sometimes a great deal...other times not so much.
I probably could have applied for military service since I am a pure blood Civre....but then again State doesn't issue proper meds to its troopers. Sometimes the Egg is the only thing that'll take the edge off and officers tend to have issues with that. |
Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
311
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Posted - 2013.11.17 21:41:00 -
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Good commentary, Aztec.
I think you are a pretty spot on with your broad observations of our general approach but there are some nuances you missed. For context, my family is mixed Gallente - Caldari; I've spent a bit of time curious about how each side sees each other. I did have the odd experience of an afternoon with my cousin who was a Black Eagle in the process of mustering out of active service while I was still with Ishakone Special Operations Division. Long story short, he pretty much sized up things the way you did.
I think some of the guys here picked up on the amount of cross pollination between the Minmatar and us, well particualry from those of us that hail from Ishakone arcologies. The MagSec is a good example...it's actually not a low ROF weapon. My understanding is that the R&D guys were looking to adapt the concept of the assault SMG to our rail / hybrid tech. Roughly has same ROF as a base SMG, with extended range and little more striking power. Only time I've used one was when I was still on active duty...very hard, if not impossible to find for corp usage at the moment.
You are spot on with the views on precision and range. We put a lot of emphasis on that but what can be lost sometimes is that when the situation dictates we finish the fight in close quarters we have the same mind set...laser focus on mission success and taking out targets as efficiently as possible.
All in all you've got a pretty solid take on things.
Ps...I've bumped into my cousin a few more items now that we are both mercs in Molden Heath. I'll ping him to see if he has anything to add. |
Leithe Askarii
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.11.17 21:52:00 -
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Its a good basic summary from an outsider...but lacks the nuances I suppose only a State soldier could describe to you. |
DeadlyAztec11
Gallente Federation
2623
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Posted - 2013.11.17 22:02:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Good commentary, Aztec.
I think you are a pretty spot on with your broad observations of our general approach but there are some nuances you missed. For context, my family is mixed Gallente - Caldari; I've spent a bit of time curious about how each side sees each other. I did have the odd experience of an afternoon with my cousin who was a Black Eagle in the process of mustering out of active service while I was still with Ishakone Special Operations Division. Long story short, he pretty much sized up things the way you did.
I think some of the guys here picked up on the amount of cross pollination between the Minmatar and us, well particualry from those of us that hail from Ishakone arcologies. The MagSec is a good example...it's actually not a low ROF weapon. My understanding is that the R&D guys were looking to adapt the concept of the assault SMG to our rail / hybrid tech. Roughly has same ROF as a base SMG, with extended range and little more striking power. Only time I've used one was when I was still on active duty...very hard, if not impossible to find for corp usage at the moment.
You are spot on with the views on precision and range. We put a lot of emphasis on that but what can be lost sometimes is that when the situation dictates we finish the fight in close quarters we have the same mind set...laser focus on mission success and taking out targets as efficiently as possible.
All in all you've got a pretty solid take on things.
Ps...I've bumped into my cousin a few more items now that we are both mercs in Molden Heath. I'll ping him to see if he has anything to add.
((Thanks, but I thought that the Magsec was going to be based on the Breach SMG, just like the Rail Rifle is based on the Breach AR. Anyone have any idea? Last I heard Caldari weapons were Breach, Gallante Assault, Minmatar Burst and Amarr Tactical.))
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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Leithe Askarii
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.11.17 22:09:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Good commentary, Aztec.
I think you are a pretty spot on with your broad observations of our general approach but there are some nuances you missed. For context, my family is mixed Gallente - Caldari; I've spent a bit of time curious about how each side sees each other. I did have the odd experience of an afternoon with my cousin who was a Black Eagle in the process of mustering out of active service while I was still with Ishakone Special Operations Division. Long story short, he pretty much sized up things the way you did.
I think some of the guys here picked up on the amount of cross pollination between the Minmatar and us, well particualry from those of us that hail from Ishakone arcologies. The MagSec is a good example...it's actually not a low ROF weapon. My understanding is that the R&D guys were looking to adapt the concept of the assault SMG to our rail / hybrid tech. Roughly has same ROF as a base SMG, with extended range and little more striking power. Only time I've used one was when I was still on active duty...very hard, if not impossible to find for corp usage at the moment.
You are spot on with the views on precision and range. We put a lot of emphasis on that but what can be lost sometimes is that when the situation dictates we finish the fight in close quarters we have the same mind set...laser focus on mission success and taking out targets as efficiently as possible.
All in all you've got a pretty solid take on things.
Ps...I've bumped into my cousin a few more items now that we are both mercs in Molden Heath. I'll ping him to see if he has anything to add. ((Thanks, but I thought that the Magsec was going to be based on the Breach SMG, just like the Rail Rifle is based on the Breach AR. Anyone have any idea? Last I heard Caldari weapons were Breach, Gallante Assault, Minmatar Burst and Amarr Tactical.))
(( Nope full auto stats are here http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65248/1/riflestats17.jpg )) |
DeadlyAztec11
Gallente Federation
2623
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Posted - 2013.11.17 23:06:00 -
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Leithe Askarii wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Good commentary, Aztec.
I think you are a pretty spot on with your broad observations of our general approach but there are some nuances you missed. For context, my family is mixed Gallente - Caldari; I've spent a bit of time curious about how each side sees each other. I did have the odd experience of an afternoon with my cousin who was a Black Eagle in the process of mustering out of active service while I was still with Ishakone Special Operations Division. Long story short, he pretty much sized up things the way you did.
I think some of the guys here picked up on the amount of cross pollination between the Minmatar and us, well particualry from those of us that hail from Ishakone arcologies. The MagSec is a good example...it's actually not a low ROF weapon. My understanding is that the R&D guys were looking to adapt the concept of the assault SMG to our rail / hybrid tech. Roughly has same ROF as a base SMG, with extended range and little more striking power. Only time I've used one was when I was still on active duty...very hard, if not impossible to find for corp usage at the moment.
You are spot on with the views on precision and range. We put a lot of emphasis on that but what can be lost sometimes is that when the situation dictates we finish the fight in close quarters we have the same mind set...laser focus on mission success and taking out targets as efficiently as possible.
All in all you've got a pretty solid take on things.
Ps...I've bumped into my cousin a few more items now that we are both mercs in Molden Heath. I'll ping him to see if he has anything to add. ((Thanks, but I thought that the Magsec was going to be based on the Breach SMG, just like the Rail Rifle is based on the Breach AR. Anyone have any idea? Last I heard Caldari weapons were Breach, Gallante Assault, Minmatar Burst and Amarr Tactical.)) (( Nope full auto stats are here http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65248/1/riflestats17.jpg ))
((The Breach AR is full auto as well. They will be similar. Accurate slow firing full auto weapons that are slow to fire.
Straight from the keyboard of CCP Wolfman. ))
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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Leithe Askarii
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.11.17 23:53:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Leithe Askarii wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Good commentary, Aztec.
I think you are a pretty spot on with your broad observations of our general approach but there are some nuances you missed. For context, my family is mixed Gallente - Caldari; I've spent a bit of time curious about how each side sees each other. I did have the odd experience of an afternoon with my cousin who was a Black Eagle in the process of mustering out of active service while I was still with Ishakone Special Operations Division. Long story short, he pretty much sized up things the way you did.
I think some of the guys here picked up on the amount of cross pollination between the Minmatar and us, well particualry from those of us that hail from Ishakone arcologies. The MagSec is a good example...it's actually not a low ROF weapon. My understanding is that the R&D guys were looking to adapt the concept of the assault SMG to our rail / hybrid tech. Roughly has same ROF as a base SMG, with extended range and little more striking power. Only time I've used one was when I was still on active duty...very hard, if not impossible to find for corp usage at the moment.
You are spot on with the views on precision and range. We put a lot of emphasis on that but what can be lost sometimes is that when the situation dictates we finish the fight in close quarters we have the same mind set...laser focus on mission success and taking out targets as efficiently as possible.
All in all you've got a pretty solid take on things.
Ps...I've bumped into my cousin a few more items now that we are both mercs in Molden Heath. I'll ping him to see if he has anything to add. ((Thanks, but I thought that the Magsec was going to be based on the Breach SMG, just like the Rail Rifle is based on the Breach AR. Anyone have any idea? Last I heard Caldari weapons were Breach, Gallante Assault, Minmatar Burst and Amarr Tactical.)) (( my mind heard Tac AR)) (( Nope full auto stats are here http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65248/1/riflestats17.jpg )) ((The Breach AR is full auto as well. They will be similar. Accurate slow firing full auto weapons that are slow to fire. Straight from the keyboard of CCP Remnant. ))
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DeadlyAztec11
Gallente Federation
2629
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Posted - 2013.11.18 01:40:00 -
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(( ^ Does this mean I was right? ))
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
312
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Posted - 2013.11.18 01:56:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Leithe Askarii wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:Good commentary, Aztec.
I think you are a pretty spot on with your broad observations of our general approach but there are some nuances you missed. For context, my family is mixed Gallente - Caldari; I've spent a bit of time curious about how each side sees each other. I did have the odd experience of an afternoon with my cousin who was a Black Eagle in the process of mustering out of active service while I was still with Ishakone Special Operations Division. Long story short, he pretty much sized up things the way you did.
I think some of the guys here picked up on the amount of cross pollination between the Minmatar and us, well particualry from those of us that hail from Ishakone arcologies. The MagSec is a good example...it's actually not a low ROF weapon. My understanding is that the R&D guys were looking to adapt the concept of the assault SMG to our rail / hybrid tech. Roughly has same ROF as a base SMG, with extended range and little more striking power. Only time I've used one was when I was still on active duty...very hard, if not impossible to find for corp usage at the moment.
You are spot on with the views on precision and range. We put a lot of emphasis on that but what can be lost sometimes is that when the situation dictates we finish the fight in close quarters we have the same mind set...laser focus on mission success and taking out targets as efficiently as possible.
All in all you've got a pretty solid take on things.
Ps...I've bumped into my cousin a few more items now that we are both mercs in Molden Heath. I'll ping him to see if he has anything to add. ((Thanks, but I thought that the Magsec was going to be based on the Breach SMG, just like the Rail Rifle is based on the Breach AR. Anyone have any idea? Last I heard Caldari weapons were Breach, Gallante Assault, Minmatar Burst and Amarr Tactical.)) (( Nope full auto stats are here http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65248/1/riflestats17.jpg )) ((The Breach AR is full auto as well. They will be similar. Accurate slow firing full auto weapons that are slow to fire. Straight from the keyboard of CCP Remnant. ))
(( I'm tracking the board idea that Caldari is the breach style weapons...my speculation is the fact that the proto assault SMG is an Ishakone product. Lot of folks I've spoken to feel that's a place holder for the MagSec. It also makes a certain amounts of sense as it would be the Caldari way of mitigating a gap in their combat philosophy.)) |
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