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Damage mods are not why TTK is low, the hit detection fixes are wht TTK is low. Damage mods have been mathematically proven to be worse than extenders, because the have stacking penalties. The first Damage mod is just as good as an extender of equal level, but the second one is worse due to the penalty.

Damage mods are not why TTK is low, the hit detection fixes are wht TTK is low. Damage mods have been mathematically proven to be worse than extenders, because the have stacking penalties. The first Damage mod is just as good as an extender of equal level, but the second one is worse due to the penalty.

Yes damage mods didn't cause the sudden decrease in the overall TTK of the game, but its pretty obvious how a module that can increase damage by 10% will make TTK even lower for those using it. Not sure I support the OP's proposal, but I can definitely see how it would alleviate the issue.

I would rather have them removed and replaced with 'indirect' damage mods instead. Things like stabilizers, heat sinks, and magazine extensions would be much better IMO.

IDEAS!

Heat Sinks:
Standard Heat Sink....... -4% Heat Generation, -4% Cooling Time
Enhanced Heat Sink......-8% Heat Generation, -8% Cooling Time
Complex Heat Sink........-15% Heat Generation, -15% Cooling Time

Magazine Extenders:
Standard Mag Extender...... +5% Mag Size/Carried Ammo
Enhanced Mag Extender.... +10% Mag Size/ Carried Ammo
Complex Mag Extender...... +20% Mag Size/ Carried Ammo

Weapon Stabilizers:
Standard Weapon Stabilizer..... -5% Dispersion
Enhanced Weapon Stabilizer.... -10% Dispersion
Complex Weapon Stabilizer...... -15% Dispersion

Weapon Cyclers:
Standard Weapon Cycler...... +4% RoF
Enhanced Weapon Cycler.... +8% RoF
Complex Weapon Cycler...... +15%RoF

Weapon Cap Chargers:
Standard Cap Charger...... -6% Charge Time
Enhanced Cap Charger.... -12% Charge Time
Complex Cap Charger...... -25% Charge Time

Stacking Penalties would apply to all.

Weapon Proficiency should also be changed to a more weapon specific bonus, rather than the '+3% damage per level'that all weapons have right now. For some weapons the +3% damage is appropriate, but most could be changed.

Agreed on the varying types of weapon upgrades, but I think that these would be best suited to an actual weapon upgrade system, where modules like this are fit directly to a weapon, and not to a dropsuit. Hopefully that will come in time.

Also, I think damage mods are still very much viable in a setting like that, since you could limit weapon upgrades themselves using a 'calibration' system like with ship rigs in EVE.

Say, a weapon has a certain amount of 'calibration' points, which are used up by fitting weapon upgrades to it, and a certain amount of slots (lets go with 3 for now). The better the upgrade, the more calibration it uses, and some types of upgrades use more calibration than others. This way, you COULD fit two 10% damage mods to the gun, but that would use up all the calibration points, leaving the last slot unusable.

This could also work well with a 'tiericide' strategy (changing weapons so that higher tiers are not just better in EVERY way than the lower ones). For example, we take our basic plasma rifle. It has the lowest base damage, but it is the most customizable, and has the most calibration points for its 3 calibration slots. The advanced model has better base stats, which represent inherrent tweaking of the weapon, meaning it has less options for upgrading, say, 2 calibration slots and fewer points than the base model. Finally the prototype is, well a prototype. it has the highest base stats of all, but can be prone to some sort of malfunctions because it is, again, a prototype. it has 3 calibration slots like the basic, but only as many calibration points as the advanced model, and can potentially jam / misfire / overheat (more)/ etc

I think that would bring a whole new level of gameplay to DUST