Bug: All objectives and installations (not just turrets) paint nearby hostiles on TacNet.

Level Design: This bug plays significant role in defending Objective "B" in Gallente Research Facility. The Objective illuminates all approaching hostiles ... not only those around, but also those above and below (of special significance, nearby stairwells).

Pretty sure this is intentional...

This is obviously not a bug, and works fine.

Clearly, some are in favor of this peculiarity and others are not. Either way, it'd be nice to know if the state of omniscient installation is in fact intentional. If so, the phrase "ninja hack" must be promptly stricken from lexicon.

I am having a hard time picturing this in my head and when we play on this map I don't see any real issues. So what I would ask is if it is possible to get a video or screenshot showing exactly what it is that is an issue for you so that I can understand it better and so that I can give a more informed and accurate response.

I am having a hard time picturing this in my head and when we play on this map I don't see any real issues. So what I would ask is if it is possible to get a video or screenshot showing exactly what it is that is an issue for you so that I can understand it better and so that I can give a more informed and accurate response.

To explain installation "omniscience" in first person:

When within X meters of an enemy-held installation or objective, my position is made known to all hostiles, near and far, as red chevron on HUD and as blip on TacNet.

When a hostile is within X meters of a friendly installation or objective, that hostile's position (as red chevron and on TacNet) is made known to me and friendly forces.

To the best of my knowledge, no scan profile is immune. We thereby assume that installations and objectives emit a 0 dB precision, constant "scan" with a radius of X meters (estimated between 5 and 25). As Aeon explained, installation "scans" behave similarly to Active Scanner results, the only difference being a lack of "pulse" effect.

I think Logic Loop knows what we are talking about just not that we see it as a major problem for us.

34:45-35:20 is a decent example.

Had to watch the video twice.
Distracted by that three-piece at 35:15 :-)

Thank you for the example, sir. o7

I am having a hard time picturing this in my head and when we play on this map I don't see any real issues. So what I would ask is if it is possible to get a video or screenshot showing exactly what it is that is an issue for you so that I can understand it better and so that I can give a more informed and accurate response.

I am having a hard time picturing this in my head and when we play on this map I don't see any real issues. So what I would ask is if it is possible to get a video or screenshot showing exactly what it is that is an issue for you so that I can understand it better and so that I can give a more informed and accurate response.

Yes, sir.

To further explain installation "omniscience" in first person:

When within X meters of an enemy-held installation or objective, my position is made known to all hostiles, near and far, as red chevron on HUD, blip on TacNet, and red-dot on overhead map. When a hostile is within X meters of a friendly installation or objective, that hostile's position is made known to me and friendly forces.

We thereby assume that installations and objectives emit a constant "scan" with a radius of X meters, estimated between 10m and 25m. As Aeon explained, installation "scans" behave similarly to Active Scanner results, notable differences listed as follows:

(1) a lack of "pulse" visual effect.
(2) with whom scan results are shared (team vs squad).
(3) permanence of scan; persists while within scan range of installation.
(4) precision of scan; cannot be defeated by lowering one's profile.



With reference to level design:

Figure A: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65110/1/OP_GA_Research01L.jpg
Coordinates: E5, E6, F5, F6 (intersection)
Landmark: Skirmish, Objective "B"

Ground Level: Position is revealed when under the Objective.
Ascension Level: Position is revealed while within stairwells nearest Objective.
Second Level: Position is revealed when approaching Objective along common plane.
Roof Level: Position is revealed when above Objective.

^ As all elevations are are impacted, we assume that installation scans are more akin to a geometric sphere than a geometric plane.



Hope this helps. I'll check in with the Scouts to see if anyone has gameplay footage of this phenomena.

o7

... the replies to my information request were great. Thanks everybody.

I will bring this up with the Game Designers and other Level Designers in our meeting this morning so as to at least begin a discussion on the topic or get an answer for you all on if this is intentional behaviour or not. "Assuming" I can get any information today, I will return in a few hours with any of that information that I can share.

Edit: And to note, the replies to my information request were great. Thanks everybody.


UPDATE: OK. According to the game designers this was intended behaviour. However they understand the lack of even notice of being scanned isn't quite balanced. So they are discussing on if they will remove this entirely or update its behaviour to be more balanced.

I will bring this up with the Game Designers and other Level Designers in our meeting this morning so as to at least begin a discussion on the topic or get an answer for you all on if this is intentional behaviour or not. "Assuming" I can get any information today, I will return in a few hours with any of that information that I can share.

Edit: And to note, the replies to my information request were great. Thanks everybody.


UPDATE: OK. According to the game designers this was intended behaviour. However they understand the lack of even notice of being scanned isn't quite balanced. So they are discussing on if they will remove this entirely or update its behaviour to be more balanced.

UPDATE: OK. According to the game designers this was intended behavior. However they understand the lack of even notice of being scanned isn't quite balanced. So they are discussing on if they will remove this entirely or update its behavior to be more balanced.

I'll be sure to mention the suggestion of scan precision this morning in the meeting just to make sure it's in the idea box for them.

Stealth hacking becomes a 50/50

Sometimes they get the 10 second spawn timer and I'm successful
Other times they get the 3 second spawn timer and I get gek'd in the back

Flanking gameplay is NOT reliable because of this feature.

Also, recommend precision that gives players a reason to fully spec into Gallente scout.

I will bring this up with the Game Designers and other Level Designers in our meeting this morning so as to at least begin a discussion on the topic or get an answer for you all on if this is intentional behaviour or not. "Assuming" I can get any information today, I will return in a few hours with any of that information that I can share.

Edit: And to note, the replies to my information request were great. Thanks everybody.


UPDATE: OK. According to the game designers this was intended behaviour. However they understand the lack of even notice of being scanned isn't quite balanced. So they are discussing on if they will remove this entirely or update its behaviour to be more balanced.

As a non-scout I have some input as well. I suspect many that are not scouts would like to know that this is intended behavior and that the scouts want it changed so they can become invisible to all scans.

Removing this only furthers the need to add deployable modules that support the removed TacNet functionality that was lost in the setup for adding active scanners. While I enjoy the active scanners to some measure the game has become more dreary as a result of their forced inclusion.

Add a deployable scanner, that can be adjusted to match the lowest setting any Merc can obtain.

Add a TacNet repeater module that will share with the squad all TacNet information* and optionally the team.

* This is how TacNet was described in the lore, the promotional videos, the interviews regarding the game and how it worked for the majority of its life, including all of Beta. Now it is gone and CCP/Shanghai has done nothing to balance its loss.