On a weapon that does 17-20 damage per shot? Why would I spend 2mil SP on a skill that gives you 2.5-13 extra HP of damge? That's like asking for a skill that decreases dispersion on a Tactical Sniper Rifle

To be direct, 0. But I have been rocking the PRO one on my brothers account, and it's pretty good (until you die and see that a MLT AR did 1k HP of damage to you in the span of 5 seconds)

On another note, before everyone says "Oh snap he said HMGs are fine, time to grab the pitchforks and sharpen those brass knuckles, listen to what I'm saying.

WE DO NOT NEED THE HMG TO BE GIVEN LONG RANGE ABILITIES, WE NEED MORE/BETTER HEAVY WEAPONS.

Then HTFU you pig of a man! How dare you say something without having used it, even if you've been on the reciving end of it"!

GET GOOD SCRUB! (No I'm joking)

I think heavies need a sharpshooter skill, and a skill that improves RPM.

But my only concern with the HMG having a sharpshooter skill is what would happen when I crouch down

If you pay attention to my posts, I'm saying that we need more heavy weapons, that;s all.

But If there was a mid to long range heavy weapon, would you complain about HMG range? I wouldn't. (at least not as much)

And this may be off topic, but I saw you in a few matches or two and I must know;

How does a minja wield a Freedom Heavy Machine Gun?

Sorry Atiim, but compared to chromosome, the HMG is poop status. If they could extend the optimal range to 50m, which isn't that big of a buff, the HMG would be a viable weapon. How am I supposed to suppress enemies when you can't even hit them?

HMGs suck because that's all thier is, besides the Almighty Forge Gun

But yeah my main concern is what happens when... heck am I saying. IF the other heavy weapons come out like CCP promised, the HMG would need to be rebalanced for other heavy weapons. If it wasn't, then we'd have a nightmare know as the Heavy Assualt Rifle.

I wish I could have a scout with a Boundless HMG, just for the lols.

And most people don't read the OP, and those that do read the first to sentences and decide that they should spam me with hate mail calling me names so bad that if CCP read them their account would cease to exist in less than seconds.

What I'm trying to say is that the HMG should remain as a CQC weapon and give us more heavy weapons.

Right, I thought the heavy machine gun team kind of went away after WWII. I do agree with your point though, give HMG the sharp shooter skill that SMG and AR has and I think it would be dramatically improved and that way it is skill based instead of an across the board buff. Separate the heavies heavily invested from those that are less so.

Range is fine.
DPS is (theoretically) fine.

HMG needs:
Base dispersion reduction of 10-50% (depending on variant - more reduction to Assault variants)
Sharpshooter Skill similar to other automatic weapons.
Base reload time reduced by 25%
Overheat reduction to replace current Sentinel Bonus.

None of these are buffs.
They are performance optimizations.

Never said STFU to anyone unless they told me or someone else to STFU.

But anyways, what SMG was it (weapon and variant); was he running damage mods? prof skills? Was he in his optlimal range? So many things to take into account there.

But again look at it from a realistic perspective. If we get a range buff then what happens when they introduce a mid-range heavy weapon? Would CCP think, "Oh heavies are just fine now that we gave the HMGs more range, they won't need new weapons for a while".

But on the plus side, heavies were promised new weapons. SoonGäó

But on the negative side, I need to save SP so I can test that combat and rail rifle.

I think it is wrong when I have a Heavy dropsuit with cumulated 1400 Shield/Armor with HMG Third Tier, with 2 Enhance Damage modules (2x +5% Damage), and I loose vs a Scout with Shot gun. All they need to do is hop around and I can't even scratch them.

Sorry, not quite right to me.

The HMG may be designed as a mid range weapon, but in it's current state could you really call it anything but CQC?

The heavy laser is going to be long range, when have I said it's not?

HMGs and SMGs share the same optimal range? Tell that to the sorry suckers I've sprayed and prayed with an MZ209.

HMGs and SMGs share the same optimal range? Tell that to the sorry suckers I've sprayed and prayed with an MZ209.