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KING CHECKMATE wrote:

Chit Hoppened wrote:

Vyzion Eyri wrote:

Chit Hoppened wrote:

My CEO has used the Command'oh since its birth.
He uses Regen on it as compared to eHP.
He also doesn't use Prototype weapons on it either.
He tells me "The secret to the Commando-ing is mixing Arnold and Albert".
...whatever that means.

Guessing Arnold Schwarzenegger as the Terminator, implying commandos can wield some pretty solid firepower.

And Albert Wesker, evil dude in Resident Evil, who doesn't brute force through and uses his brain.

It's possible.
My CEO is a bit...
...out there sometimes.
He hasn't played much recently.
Damned Diablo III and it's insanity (he's already broke it by learning how to dupe).
Hopefully, he'll come back in 1.7 with a shiny Commando aK.0 and a new rifle.
He said that the Laser and Combat Rifle will be the best combo to date.
I hope he comes back to do some Command'oh-ing.

Well, not too shabby , im running a (PRETTY EXPENSIVE-95k) STD Commando suit with Carthum ARSC + EXO-5 Mass Driver Compact nanos and i've had some very good games. Of COURSE i could be going 30+ -4 in games instead of 24-6 with my 75k Imperial SCR assault , but not too horrible.
And an ADV version with ADV ASCR and Exo-5+ Shield Energizer and Reactive plate, doing a little better. :3
At least, its FUN.....

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KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2258	Posted - 2013.11.06 00:11:00 - [1] - Quote THIS IS MOSTLY A COMMANDO ORIENTED POST. ITS NOT NEWS that the commando suit is underpowered. Its probably the WORST suit out there but nevertheless is one of the most fun to use.Its obviously bad but at least now i rate it as USABLE. Here a personal rating of the suits in 1.6: Gùï Underpowered: Minny scout , Commando GùïSlightly underpowered: Amarr Heavy , Gallente scout GùïAverage:Caldari Assault, GùïGood:Minmatar Assault,Gallente Assault GùïVery Good:Amarr Logi, Minmatar Logi,Amarr Assault, GùïExellent: Caldari Logi,Gallente Logi Now the suit has several drawbacks and NEEDS certain issues addressed: GÖªNeeds more Shield regen rate GÖª Another low slot OR equipment slot GÖª CPU/PG Buff GÖª increase of 0.3 AT LEAST in overall speed. GÖª Better Bonuses:The RELOAD SPEED bonus is not too bad,but the module bonus is not very useful when you depend on a maximum of 3 slots at proto level.If its kept , it should be changed to +3% per level AT LEAST. But after studying the dropsuit AGAIN now i've found some stuff that can alleviate the pain. The suit has SEVERAL issues that need to be addressed to be Battle effective,but we have to see the advantages now: GÖª IT NOW HAS 325 shields and armor making it qualify as a HEAVY. With 650 base stat the buff is NOTHING but small. At level 4 passives (me) i already run it at 780 by default compared to my previous 600.(note that most of my ADV SUITS run around 630-695 EHP).780 at STD level is very, VERY good. GÖª It has assault level Stamina at 150. GÖª an ABOVE AVERAGE stamina regeneration at 17 per second GÖª Massive Melee damage at 240 GÖª IT HAS 2 LIGHT WEAPONS XD So not too shabby. Many Commando users , known forum members,agree that in order to increase the chances of survival of the suit using sield extenders and Armor plates plus repair nanohives is the way to go, now i can only agree with them so far. AFTER the 1.6 buff the suit is pretty self suficient.Me as an Ex Full time scout can really appreciate the difference in HP and it greatly increases the chances of survival FOR the 1st engagement. I havnt lost a single one yet! The issue relies in its slow shield regen rate and no armor repair abilities. MY RECOMMENDATION IS: TRY OUT REACTIVE PLATES AND/OR Shield ENERGIZERS & RECHARGERS! Yeah, those useless modules nobody uses? IT make the Commando a pretty usable suit! now, i dont have PROTO COmmando, only ADV, but hear me for a second: GÖª REACTIVE PLATES are still ARMOR PLATES.They do get the 2% Per level bonus from the Armor plates skill tree PLUS the +2% per level bonus of the commando. There by , if you equip a COMPLEX REACTIVE PLATE , you are earning 72 Armor PLUS, +2 armor repair rate per second.This helps a FREAKN LOT. Not having to use your repair nanos everytime you loose 50-100 HP just so you are not with a Life disadvantage is GREAT. I only use them when im 150 HP or less. NOTE: The commando BONUS SAYS: +2% Efficiency on Shield and ARMOR MODULES , per level. MODULES. It does not specify and i must test more with this,but i think we have underestimated this bonus.a little.Testing will be done but remember, its +2% to MODULES..thats, like in GENERAL...ALL MODULES!? con someone confirm? GÖªShield rechargers and ENEGIZERS: THey are simply doing it for me. ATM im using the ENH Shield energizer and recharging 15 per sec instead of 10 is a WORLD of difference. im not using the Proto ones because of the lack of CPU on the suit and the fact the weapons equipped have heavy CPU/PG usage.BUT GIVE , IT ,A,TRY. 10 per sec is only 100 HP every 10 secs. Sound stupid, but 150 every 10 secs is totally better. Every 24 secs i have full shields, thats a lot compared to the 39 secs needed to fully recharge the 390 im running.Plus remember the up to 15% Shield Recharger efficiency per level that they get BY DEFAULT. So thats up to 17 PER SEC with a Complex shield ENERGIZER..now we are talking.And i have to test it but if i understand COMMANDO bonus correctly, it should gain ANOTHER 10% Shield energizer efficiency at Proto level for a total of 17.5+ Regen PER SEC for the cost of 6% Shields (At level 5 passive, its charging you 23 Shields for 36 HP/per 2 secs shield regen) Let me tell you, That sounds pretty effective to me. Now overall AND in theory, equipping these two modules would make your Proto Commando a LOT more effective, the true problem we face now is FITTING. Even At PROTO LEVEL SPending 96 CPU on a shield recharger is NO FUN. The Proto Reactive plates are actually very affordable With less CPU but MORE PG consumption (36 - 16?) so avoiding ASCR and SCR on these loadouts is recommended. PLEASE, before sending that commando suit BACK to the garage to rust among your old Amarrian toys, give it one more try with those two modules and you'll feel the difference. Anything Over 700 EHP is good in the battlefield (im telling you,if scouts can manage with 300 or less, you can with 700 or more XD) and what the commando lacks is regen, AND THESE two should help. Im using Armor repairer and Shield ENERGIZERS at the moment in some fittings and Reactive plate and Shield recharger on the other. Weapons used: Laser + ASCR ASCR + Swarms ASCR + Mass Driver My 2 cents u+Élop s-¦ -Äll+Én-ç+ö+É
Chit Hoppened Venomous Rat Regeneration Vendors 126	Posted - 2013.11.06 01:58:00 - [2] - Quote My CEO has used the Command'oh since its birth. He uses Regen on it as compared to eHP. He also doesn't use Prototype weapons on it either. He tells me "The secret to the Commando-ing is mixing Arnold and Albert". ...whatever that means. Bringing Heavy Metal to New Eden. Cannon Fever Representative
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1818	Posted - 2013.11.06 02:07:00 - [3] - Quote Chit Hoppened wrote: My CEO has used the Command'oh since its birth. He uses Regen on it as compared to eHP. He also doesn't use Prototype weapons on it either. He tells me "The secret to the Commando-ing is mixing Arnold and Albert". ...whatever that means. Guessing Arnold Schwarzenegger as the Terminator, implying commandos can wield some pretty solid firepower. And Albert Wesker, evil dude in Resident Evil, who doesn't brute force through and uses his brain. "..things that some people frankly don't even get the chance to do in real life, because it's poorly designed." -Veigar
Chit Hoppened Venomous Rat Regeneration Vendors 126	Posted - 2013.11.06 02:19:00 - [4] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: Chit Hoppened wrote: My CEO has used the Command'oh since its birth. He uses Regen on it as compared to eHP. He also doesn't use Prototype weapons on it either. He tells me "The secret to the Commando-ing is mixing Arnold and Albert". ...whatever that means. Guessing Arnold Schwarzenegger as the Terminator, implying commandos can wield some pretty solid firepower. And Albert Wesker, evil dude in Resident Evil, who doesn't brute force through and uses his brain. It's possible. My CEO is a bit... ...out there sometimes. He hasn't played much recently. Damned Diablo III and it's insanity (he's already broke it by learning how to dupe). Hopefully, he'll come back in 1.7 with a shiny Commando aK.0 and a new rifle. He said that the Laser and Combat Rifle will be the best combo to date. I hope he comes back to do some Command'oh-ing. Bringing Heavy Metal to New Eden. Cannon Fever Representative
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2261	Posted - 2013.11.06 04:32:00 - [5] - Quote Chit Hoppened wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: Chit Hoppened wrote: My CEO has used the Command'oh since its birth. He uses Regen on it as compared to eHP. He also doesn't use Prototype weapons on it either. He tells me "The secret to the Commando-ing is mixing Arnold and Albert". ...whatever that means. Guessing Arnold Schwarzenegger as the Terminator, implying commandos can wield some pretty solid firepower. And Albert Wesker, evil dude in Resident Evil, who doesn't brute force through and uses his brain. It's possible. My CEO is a bit... ...out there sometimes. He hasn't played much recently. Damned Diablo III and it's insanity (he's already broke it by learning how to dupe). Hopefully, he'll come back in 1.7 with a shiny Commando aK.0 and a new rifle. He said that the Laser and Combat Rifle will be the best combo to date. I hope he comes back to do some Command'oh-ing. Well, not too shabby , im running a (PRETTY EXPENSIVE-95k) STD Commando suit with Carthum ARSC + EXO-5 Mass Driver Compact nanos and i've had some very good games. Of COURSE i could be going 30+ -4 in games instead of 24-6 with my 75k Imperial SCR assault , but not too horrible. And an ADV version with ADV ASCR and Exo-5+ Shield Energizer and Reactive plate, doing a little better. :3 At least, its FUN..... u+Élop s-¦ -Äll+Én-ç+ö+É
Chit Hoppened Venomous Rat Regeneration Vendors 128	Posted - 2013.11.06 04:42:00 - [6] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Chit Hoppened wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: Chit Hoppened wrote: My CEO has used the Command'oh since its birth. He uses Regen on it as compared to eHP. He also doesn't use Prototype weapons on it either. He tells me "The secret to the Commando-ing is mixing Arnold and Albert". ...whatever that means. Guessing Arnold Schwarzenegger as the Terminator, implying commandos can wield some pretty solid firepower. And Albert Wesker, evil dude in Resident Evil, who doesn't brute force through and uses his brain. It's possible. My CEO is a bit... ...out there sometimes. He hasn't played much recently. Damned Diablo III and it's insanity (he's already broke it by learning how to dupe). Hopefully, he'll come back in 1.7 with a shiny Commando aK.0 and a new rifle. He said that the Laser and Combat Rifle will be the best combo to date. I hope he comes back to do some Command'oh-ing. Well, not too shabby , im running a (PRETTY EXPENSIVE-95k) STD Commando suit with Carthum ARSC + EXO-5 Mass Driver Compact nanos and i've had some very good games. Of COURSE i could be going 30+ -4 in games instead of 24-6 with my 75k Imperial SCR assault , but not too horrible. And an ADV version with ADV ASCR and Exo-5+ Shield Energizer and Reactive plate, doing a little better. :3 At least, its FUN..... He has a hilarious similar fit called ASCRMD. It's his go-to fit when he plays. He's adamant on getting the Prototype suit before anything else. The sooner 1.7 gets here, the sooner he will be back. I'll have him look you up when he returns. Bringing Heavy Metal to New Eden. Cannon Fever Representative
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1013	Posted - 2013.11.06 04:42:00 - [7] - Quote I made a fit today... 'Templar' Amarr Sentinel A-1 'Templar' Scrambler Rifle 'Toxin' ICD-9 Submachine Gun Militia Locus Grenades Militia Basic Light Damage Modifier Militia Basic Armor Repairer Militia Basic Armor Repairer 0 isk, 1200 HP I wen't 10/0 on my first whirl around the block with it. Never ran out of ammo. (No resupply either.) Great fun was had by all. My apologies, but I'm still not seeing the point of Commando. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 000/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2261	Posted - 2013.11.06 04:55:00 - [8] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: I made a fit today... 'Templar' Amarr Sentinel A-1 'Templar' Scrambler Rifle 'Toxin' ICD-9 Submachine Gun Militia Locus Grenades Militia Basic Light Damage Modifier Militia Basic Armor Repairer Militia Basic Armor Repairer 0 isk, 1200 HP I wen't 10/0 on my first whirl around the block with it. Never ran out of ammo. (No resupply either.) Great fun was had by all. My apologies, but I'm still not seeing the point of Commando. GG to you, now: My CArthum ASCR takes out shields in a blink , the Mass driver Takes out ARMOR in a blink. The point is i have 2 weapons with 120% damage bonus. SUUURE i have a similar loadout that your Templar Amarr Sentinel (Running at 1300+ EHP) But its slower,equally big,LAck of equipment (yeahyea it has a grenade,not everyone feels its an honorable wepon to use so meh).PLUS i AM trying the Commando with The ASCR + Mass driver Plus Active SCANNER, and its, working out, can your sentinel say that? That it has a scanner? Dont get me wrong, i dont think the AR is the most OP thing in the game as many think, OR the Logis, Is the D*mn ACTIVE sanner that beats the whole purpose of E-War....So having the Ability to use active scanner is a PLUS. Plus i freakn hate using Scrambler rifles without the Amarr assault bonus, like ,seriously, uber crap .... BUT I DO AGREE the commando is as bad as it gets, im just saying, its not AS bad as before XD u+Élop s-¦ -Äll+Én-ç+ö+É
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1013	Posted - 2013.11.06 05:06:00 - [9] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: GG to you, now: Eh. I'm sure you'd win straight up more often than not... but my fit is infinity more effecient isk-wise, and I'd argue not very far behind in effectiveness. Remember, SMG gets armor damage bonus as well. Good combo with SCR. And it looks about as bad ass. However... Quote: BUT I DO AGREE the commando is as bad as it gets, im just saying, its not AS bad as before XD I salute you for trying to make the Commandon't work, sir. o7 I honestly do. If only the damn thing had the same slot count as Basic Amarr Heavy, I think it would be just fine. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 000/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2262	Posted - 2013.11.06 05:40:00 - [10] - Quote Quote: Eh. I'm sure you'd win straight up more often than not... but my fit is infinity more effecient isk-wise, and I'd argue not very far behind in effectiveness. Remember, SMG gets armor damage bonus as well. Good combo with SCR. THIS is true, no argue there.Us lucky basterds with Sentinel BPO do have a good cheap option to make some isk.But i have almost 90 mill and im looking to have FUN,not make ISK :3 BTW, the AMARR LOGI BPO with Cx Armor rep and ENH armor plates is Crazy as F* too. 12.5+ armor rep rate and a total of 6 hunred HP, a Light weapon and 2 equipments LOOOL. Still my Best BPO fitting is CLassic amarr templar Assault with Templar laser, templar scrambler pistol, MLT nanohive BPO and 2 Cx shield ext, basic armor rep. LOL FTW.... Quote: And it looks about as bad ass. True that, again +1 Quote: However... I salute you for trying to make the Commandon't work, sir. o7 Well it was good try, im telling you, if at LEAST at proto level i could equip 1 Cx Shield Ext, 1 Cx Reactive plate , 1 Cx Shield Energizer , 2 (AT LEAST) ADV weapons and a nanohive/active scanner im sure it would work....(would be a total of 929 EHP with full passives, 2 Armor rep rate per sec, 18.5 shield regen rate... I mean, it DOESNT sound soooo bad XD) Quote:** I honestly do. If only the damn thing had the same slot count as Basic Amarr Heavy, I think it would be just fine. And of course a PG/CPU buff to match it... true that.... u+Élop s-¦ -Äll+Én-ç+ö+É

KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2263	Posted - 2013.11.06 22:13:00 - [11] - Quote Unique shamless Bump u+Élop s-¦ -Äll+Én-ç+ö+É
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2295	Posted - 2013.11.06 22:16:00 - [12] - Quote Commando + proto AR + proto MD = trolololol all day long Im not drunk, the planet just happens to be especially wobbly today.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1465	Posted - 2013.11.06 22:23:00 - [13] - Quote I love the commando (only have standard variant). I prefer to use a sniper +AR or ScR combo but there are some great combos the md + ScR (like you mentioned) So any tips on using the standard commando? "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2265	Posted - 2013.11.06 22:31:00 - [14] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: I love the commando (only have standard variant). I prefer to use a sniper +AR or ScR combo but there are some great combos the md + ScR (like you mentioned) So any tips on using the standard commando? Well, my standard commando uses a Carthum Assault SCR and an Exo-5 Mass Driver. compact nanos. Pretty fun, until they kill you and you realize i've lost 95k XD For any commando unless its specialized i would highly recommend a high Rate of fire weapon + a Specialized weapon . u+Élop s-¦ -Äll+Én-ç+ö+É
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1465	Posted - 2013.11.06 22:35:00 - [15] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: I love the commando (only have standard variant). I prefer to use a sniper +AR or ScR combo but there are some great combos the md + ScR (like you mentioned) So any tips on using the standard commando? Well, my standard commando uses a Carthum Assault SCR and an Exo-5 Mass Driver. compact nanos. Pretty fun, until they kill you and you realize i've lost 95k XD For any commando unless its specialized i would highly recommend a high Rate of fire weapon + a Specialized weapon . That's what I've noticed too, weapons that complement each other often pair well (one that does +Dmg to armour and one that does +Dmg shields) "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle


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