DUST Search - Be careful what you wish for. (Pro logi thread)

Bethhy wrote:

Papa Chanoli wrote:

Be careful what you wish for.

All this crying about logi's who've found ways to make their suits successful fails to take into account the consequences if equipment deployment becomes unfeasable. (Logi's will switch to suits that have two weapons and are playable.)

So:
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No more repair hives for you to suck up at no cost to yourself. Die more.

Hope the blue dot next to you with a needle isn't just a point ***** and actually carries a rep tool...oh wait...then he'd be a logi. Scratch that advantage too. Better hope he carries a proto needle.

Run to a supply depot with low or no ammo in hopes of not losing your precious fitting. Some of us will be destroying or camping those, btw, so the game will become much more narrow in strategic options and every fight will be more centered around supply depots instead of diverse objectives. Oh, now that I mention it, have you noticed how few and far between those supply depots are?

Spawn at the MCC and run to the frontline, but have no doubt, good opposition will most definitely capitalize and have AV available. Your LAV's will be nearly useless in this case. (Goodbye drop links)

You need logibros. Consider the ramifications.

I, for one, am glad that its worth it for logi's to stack armor and shields and damage mods to make their lack of weapon diversity work for them.

Get better at what you do and choose not to be a victim of your own consequences. Every dropsuit has advantages that can make it work well. Rather than cry about nerfing your friendly neighborhood logi, how about looking at what YOU or CCP can do to make your play style more competitive. Of course, that will require some thinking and creativity.

Crying because you can't figure out your own way in the game is juvenile and weak.

I Want logi's to be logi's... this is completely biased as i am an assault however.

You guys need bonus's on your suit's that give you bonus's to equipment efficacy and fitting....

Right now its all tank based bonus's.. with massive fitting abilities and slot's to fit things in. making it the best suits for all situations.

You guy's can't even be logi's right now with TTk where it's at... this game is confused.

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Papa Chanoli WarRavens League of Infamy 22	Posted - 2013.11.05 21:19:00 - [1] - Quote Be careful what you wish for. All this crying about logi's who've found ways to make their suits successful fails to take into account the consequences if equipment deployment becomes unfeasable. (Logi's will switch to suits that have two weapons and are playable.) So: No more repair hives for you to suck up at no cost to yourself. Die more. Hope the blue dot next to you with a needle isn't just a point ***** and actually carries a rep tool...oh wait...then he'd be a logi. Scratch that advantage too. Better hope he carries a proto needle. Run to a supply depot with low or no ammo in hopes of not losing your precious fitting. Some of us will be destroying or camping those, btw, so the game will become much more narrow in strategic options and every fight will be more centered around supply depots instead of diverse objectives. Oh, now that I mention it, have you noticed how few and far between those supply depots are? Spawn at the MCC and run to the frontline, but have no doubt, good opposition will most definitely capitalize and have AV available. Your LAV's will be nearly useless in this case. (Goodbye drop links) You need logibros. Consider the ramifications. I, for one, am glad that its worth it for logi's to stack armor and shields and damage mods to make their lack of weapon diversity work for them. Get better at what you do and choose not to be a victim of your own consequences. Every dropsuit has advantages that can make it work well. Rather than cry about nerfing your friendly neighborhood logi, how about looking at what YOU or CCP can do to make your play style more competitive. Of course, that will require some thinking and creativity. Crying because you can't figure out your own way in the game is juvenile and weak.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 315	Posted - 2013.11.05 21:30:00 - [2] - Quote +1 I approve this message. Templar'd for her pleasure Amarr victor!
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 4493	Posted - 2013.11.05 21:40:00 - [3] - Quote K/D-berries don't care about any of that. You gotta word it in a way that would make them care, like this: If logibro's aren't logi'ing, they're killing people. If the logi's are competing for your ratio farm, how will you raise your K/D? Never forget Level 4 Forum Warrior King of airborne swine.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 69	Posted - 2013.11.05 21:45:00 - [4] - Quote I'd approve of this message, but I haven't got enough fitting for it. Aside from the one high, no lows and half of a sidearm, my GalLogi just cannot afford after all the nerfs.
Cosgar ParagonX 7355	Posted - 2013.11.05 21:50:00 - [5] - Quote When FW stops giving ISK payouts and the cryhards meander across the battlefield, in need of reps, aimlessly looking for a nanohive, or bleeding out in their expensive proto suit, expecting some aid from a mellow fellow in yellow- they'll learn. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1180	Posted - 2013.11.05 21:56:00 - [6] - Quote Considering I have to use my own nanos idgaf you scrubs run into my nanos stealing my amo when I only have 1 equipment slot...yeah no that pisses me off then I have to go find a supply depot or die
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9949	Posted - 2013.11.05 21:59:00 - [7] - Quote I find it sad I am resorting to using assault fits to needle people alive. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Plasma Rifle =// Unlocked
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 657	Posted - 2013.11.05 22:02:00 - [8] - Quote Yes But while I hate the idea of nerfing logis to require equipment slots to be filled, I will always use the logistics. I find playing medic to be more enjoyable than any of the roles I play Heavy Scout Commando Logistics Tanker Sniper LLAV Pilot (The way it was intended) Assualt Out of all of these I still find the logistics to be the most enjoyable role. Maybe it's the simple satisfaction of knowing that your keeping the team alive. Current Game State: Grenadier 514
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1446	Posted - 2013.11.05 22:05:00 - [9] - Quote I'm a logi and I approve this message. +1 On a side note, I'm happy with were logis are, it's the Caldari that are slightly OP, they can dual tank and get over 1k ehp when amarr logi was supposed to be the dual tank......but I still love my logi ak0 _(* *)> 194th <( . )> <--it's a penguin ~'''~'''~
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 658	Posted - 2013.11.05 22:08:00 - [10] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: I'm a logi and I approve this message. +1 On a side note, I'm happy with were logis are, it's the Caldari that are slightly OP, they can dual tank and get over 1k ehp when amarr logi was supposed to be the dual tank......but I still love my logi ak0 Really? I found Minmatar logis to be good dual tankers They keep the same exact slot layout as the Amarr Logistics (except the sidearm and an addition equipment slot at STD) I've always found the Minmatar to be dual tankers Current Game State: Grenadier 514

Papa Chanoli WarRavens League of Infamy 29	Posted - 2013.11.05 23:50:00 - [11] - Quote Atiim wrote: Yes But while I hate the idea of nerfing logis to require equipment slots to be filled, I will always use the logistics. I find playing medic to be more enjoyable than any of the roles I play. I'm with ya. I enjoy supporting the team too. Not just my squad, the whole team.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1451	Posted - 2013.11.05 23:52:00 - [12] - Quote Atiim wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: I'm a logi and I approve this message. +1 On a side note, I'm happy with were logis are, it's the Caldari that are slightly OP, they can dual tank and get over 1k ehp when amarr logi was supposed to be the dual tank......but I still love my logi ak0 Really? I found Minmatar logis to be good dual tankers They keep the same exact slot layout as the Amarr Logistics (except the sidearm and an addition equipment slot at STD) I've always found the Minmatar to be dual tankers Some may be dual tankers but amarr were intended to be the true dual tankers. Caldari was supposed to be middle of the road but more shield oriented, minmatar were supposed to be shields and gallente were supposed to be armour tanks. _(* *)> 194th <( . )> <--it's a penguin ~'''~'''~
Papa Chanoli WarRavens League of Infamy 29	Posted - 2013.11.05 23:57:00 - [13] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Atiim wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: I'm a logi and I approve this message. +1 On a side note, I'm happy with were logis are, it's the Caldari that are slightly OP, they can dual tank and get over 1k ehp when amarr logi was supposed to be the dual tank......but I still love my logi ak0 Really? I found Minmatar logis to be good dual tankers They keep the same exact slot layout as the Amarr Logistics (except the sidearm and an addition equipment slot at STD) I've always found the Minmatar to be dual tankers Some may be dual tankers but amarr were intended to be the true dual tankers. Caldari was supposed to be middle of the road but more shield oriented, minmatar were supposed to be shields and gallente were supposed to be armour tanks. Intentional or not, the armor buff changed that. You'd be crazy not to sacrifice some speed for armor in this build.
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 822	Posted - 2013.11.06 00:08:00 - [14] - Quote What makes you think they even play as a logi? Most of the assault logi I know only carry a MLT or STD needle and 1 or 2 nanohives that they ONLY drop when they need it.
Papa Chanoli WarRavens League of Infamy 29	Posted - 2013.11.06 00:27:00 - [15] - Quote Doc Noah wrote: What makes you think they even play as a logi? Most of the assault logi I know, only carry a MLT or STD needle and 1 or 2 nanohives that they ONLY drop when they need it. Then they aren't scoring the points that everybody is crying about. WP for equipment deployment is sensible. Every extra effort a logi makes is a step away from combat, ie. they are not playing the game for that minute, but are taking actions which support the team war effort. You benefit even if you choose to ignore that fact. A logi who plays as you decribed is still benefiting the team through their self service, while a logi who goes to extra effort to deploy links and other things gets more points for his efforts. It that isn't clear to you, indicating that you haven't thought through the options, then I'm inclined to think you are not exploiting the advantages of your own build either. Don't try to drag logi's down, build yourself up. For instance...suppose that logi you refer to stopped at the beginning of the match and deployed hives at objectives and links in strategic locations. That equipment now sends him a few residual points for every player who uses them,( with limits.) After that he deploys to the front line with a few hives that benefit him and his allies. If you can't see how many ways you benefit from that...well... Don't blame us for using our brains. You might not even be noticing the extra effort he made, but you sure do notice when there are no links on the battlefield. I know you do. Do you have any idea how much it costs a good logi to die? In the majority of cases 1 death is enough to make him lose isk on that match. Those hives you feel entitled to are freakin' expensive. Pay attention to the details and a whole new world will open up. Those who choose to close their minds to the possibilities are the ones doing the crying.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1634	Posted - 2013.11.06 01:53:00 - [16] - Quote The Thing is is that most players are incompetent and most logis won't pick you up or Rep or Resupply, Cosgar, you, Ripper, Anarchide all are damn great logis but for every one of you there are 3-4 Assault Logis... CEO of The Corporate Raiders, We're still recruiting... Level 1 Forum Warrior
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 271	Posted - 2013.11.06 02:14:00 - [17] - Quote Papa Chanoli wrote: Be careful what you wish for. All this crying about logi's who've found ways to make their suits successful fails to take into account the consequences if equipment deployment becomes unfeasable. (Logi's will switch to suits that have two weapons and are playable.) So: No more repair hives for you to suck up at no cost to yourself. Die more. Hope the blue dot next to you with a needle isn't just a point ***** and actually carries a rep tool...oh wait...then he'd be a logi. Scratch that advantage too. Better hope he carries a proto needle. Run to a supply depot with low or no ammo in hopes of not losing your precious fitting. Some of us will be destroying or camping those, btw, so the game will become much more narrow in strategic options and every fight will be more centered around supply depots instead of diverse objectives. Oh, now that I mention it, have you noticed how few and far between those supply depots are? Spawn at the MCC and run to the frontline, but have no doubt, good opposition will most definitely capitalize and have AV available. Your LAV's will be nearly useless in this case. (Goodbye drop links) You need logibros. Consider the ramifications. I, for one, am glad that its worth it for logi's to stack armor and shields and damage mods to make their lack of weapon diversity work for them. Get better at what you do and choose not to be a victim of your own consequences. Every dropsuit has advantages that can make it work well. Rather than cry about nerfing your friendly neighborhood logi, how about looking at what YOU or CCP can do to make your play style more competitive. Of course, that will require some thinking and creativity. Crying because you can't figure out your own way in the game is juvenile and weak. I Want logi's to be logi's... this is completely biased as i am an assault however. You guys need bonus's on your suit's that give you bonus's to equipment efficacy and fitting.... Right now its all tank based bonus's.. with massive fitting abilities and slot's to fit things in. making it the best suits for all situations. You guy's can't even be logi's right now with TTk where it's at... this game is confused.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 646	Posted - 2013.11.06 02:24:00 - [18] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I find it sad I am resorting to using assault fits to needle people alive. why? no logi's around?
Papa Chanoli WarRavens League of Infamy 40	Posted - 2013.11.06 04:26:00 - [19] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Papa Chanoli wrote: Be careful what you wish for. All this crying about logi's who've found ways to make their suits successful fails to take into account the consequences if equipment deployment becomes unfeasable. (Logi's will switch to suits that have two weapons and are playable.) So: O No more repair hives for you to suck up at no cost to yourself. Die more. Hope the blue dot next to you with a needle isn't just a point ***** and actually carries a rep tool...oh wait...then he'd be a logi. Scratch that advantage too. Better hope he carries a proto needle. Run to a supply depot with low or no ammo in hopes of not losing your precious fitting. Some of us will be destroying or camping those, btw, so the game will become much more narrow in strategic options and every fight will be more centered around supply depots instead of diverse objectives. Oh, now that I mention it, have you noticed how few and far between those supply depots are? Spawn at the MCC and run to the frontline, but have no doubt, good opposition will most definitely capitalize and have AV available. Your LAV's will be nearly useless in this case. (Goodbye drop links) You need logibros. Consider the ramifications. I, for one, am glad that its worth it for logi's to stack armor and shields and damage mods to make their lack of weapon diversity work for them. Get better at what you do and choose not to be a victim of your own consequences. Every dropsuit has advantages that can make it work well. Rather than cry about nerfing your friendly neighborhood logi, how about looking at what YOU or CCP can do to make your play style more competitive. Of course, that will require some thinking and creativity. Crying because you can't figure out your own way in the game is juvenile and weak. I Want logi's to be logi's... this is completely biased as i am an assault however. You guys need bonus's on your suit's that give you bonus's to equipment efficacy and fitting.... Right now its all tank based bonus's.. with massive fitting abilities and slot's to fit things in. making it the best suits for all situations. You guy's can't even be logi's right now with TTk where it's at... this game is confused. Agreed. If I ran my logi the way I'd really like to I'd get 10 to 20 deaths in every match and probably no more points or even less than I do right now. As it is, without stacks of armor and shields the fit is not playable...so if that is fact and not just opinion, we're getting qq'd for doing what we have no choice but to do..
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2262	Posted - 2013.11.06 04:59:00 - [20] - Quote Papa Chanoli everyone except heavies that need ammo carries ammo. There are no true logibros, i never get SUCESFULLY revived by anyone,only revived to be killed. AND YEAH! we do need logibros,but what we have is Assaults V2.0, so no we dont have logibros ANYWAYS. You know a support class is broken when my Amarr LOGI A/1 series outpreforms,my commando,scouts and heavy and EQUALLS my amarr assault (only becasue of the bonus i get to SCR) u+Élop s-¦ -Äll+Én-ç+ö+É

Kaze Eyrou Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 391	Posted - 2013.11.06 05:05:00 - [21] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I find it sad I am resorting to using assault fits to needle people alive. Yeah what's up with that? Can't we have a starter Logistics fit for new players who WANT to be a proper logibro? Hell, give em a needle and a repair gun using the old Militia Logistics suit. On topic: +1 OP
Papa Chanoli WarRavens League of Infamy 46	Posted - 2013.11.06 12:03:00 - [22] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Papa Chanoli everyone except heavies that need ammo carries ammo. There are no true logibros, i never get SUCESFULLY revived by anyone,only revived to be killed. AND YEAH! we do need logibros,but what we have is Assaults V2.0, so no we dont have logibros ANYWAYS. You know a support class is broken when my Amarr LOGI A/1 series outpreforms,my commando,scouts and heavy and EQUALLS my amarr assault (only becasue of the bonus i get to SCR) That's all pretty subjective. I can't agree that we have no logi's, even if they look a little different than they used to. My point is, don't try to get CCP to Nerf logi's when what is really needed is to build up some of the other classes. (Repeat "some") I'm thinking you may be missing the point all together. The bottom line is, the logi class is an essential element, and to support the team you have to divert yourself from the more entertaining tasks of battling. It ought to be rewarded. Would you chop off one leg if it outperformed the other, or would you try to build up the weaker one? And dude...you seriously skilled into commando? Talk about jacked up... I feel for ya'.
Papa Chanoli WarRavens League of Infamy 46	Posted - 2013.11.06 12:12:00 - [23] - Quote It's also untrue that everybody who can carry ammo has it covered. One of my favorite assault players most famous (infamous?) tag line is, "I need ammo." A lot of the folks I run with prefer to carry needles so we can save each others suits, for instance. That's a one sided argument to a multifaceted issue.
Ulme Mees Eesti Leegion 45	Posted - 2013.11.06 12:49:00 - [24] - Quote +1 OP As a real logi I do the following: 1. If you want to be revived you gotto wait for me to clear the area first......If I don't revive you its either that I had to run away or died. 2. I don't carry a rep tool so I throw 2 alloteck repairing nanohives at your corpse before I will revive you so you can be healed when you stand up (most ppl run away tho). 3. I drop uplinks when we get near enemy Null cannon, so backup can arrive faster. 4. I lay down hellfire from my EXO-5 to make enemies run like chickens and die to our asault brothers. 5. I throw a flux to destroy enemy uplinks/hives and whatnot. It's a full time job and still I get accused to be a assault logi since I can net around 20 kills per match. Fear is a disease!
Papa Chanoli WarRavens League of Infamy 51	Posted - 2013.11.06 18:47:00 - [25] - Quote Ulme Mees wrote: +1 OP As a real logi I do the following: 1. If you want to be revived you gotto wait for me to clear the area first......If I don't revive you its either that I had to run away or died. 2. I don't carry a rep tool so I throw 2 alloteck repairing nanohives at your corpse before I will revive you so you can be healed when you stand up (most ppl run away tho). 3. I drop uplinks when we get near enemy Null cannon, so backup can arrive faster. 4. I lay down hellfire from my EXO-5 to make enemies run like chickens and die to our asault brothers. 5. I throw a flux to destroy enemy uplinks/hives and whatnot. It's a full time job and still I get accused to be a assault logi since I can net around 20 kills per match. Excellent example. You play your role well so you must be OP or abusing the suit or some other unacceptable tactic that is only unacceptable because it works well against the folks who don't want to work for the win. Maybe we ought to just create Dust welfare. Mercs that can't engage their skills and survive in he real world can live off of our leftover biomass. Oh man, that's a troll post worth making. Score one for the real players, unentitled, hard workin' logibros.
Ku Shala Exiled Veteran Elite 646	Posted - 2013.11.06 19:45:00 - [26] - Quote Logibro forever First General of Exiled Veteran Elite Loyalty Is not always rewarded Serving Caldari State
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 649	Posted - 2013.11.06 20:00:00 - [27] - Quote +1 for a well thought out, relevant post. As much as I wish people wouldn't run assault logis, it is what it is and I'd rather have good logis on the field and focus primarily on making sure there are benefits to running true logis, and other fits such as heavies and scouts.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 671	Posted - 2013.11.06 20:08:00 - [28] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Atiim wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: I'm a logi and I approve this message. +1 On a side note, I'm happy with were logis are, it's the Caldari that are slightly OP, they can dual tank and get over 1k ehp when amarr logi was supposed to be the dual tank......but I still love my logi ak0 Really? I found Minmatar logis to be good dual tankers They keep the same exact slot layout as the Amarr Logistics (except the sidearm and an addition equipment slot at STD) I've always found the Minmatar to be dual tankers Some may be dual tankers but amarr were intended to be the true dual tankers. Caldari was supposed to be middle of the road but more shield oriented, minmatar were supposed to be shields and gallente were supposed to be armour tanks. From my experience, I find this to be slightly incorrect. I believe that Gallente are armor tankers, Caldari are shield tankers. And both the Minmatar and the Amarr are dual tankers But I'm not 100% sure. There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4068	Posted - 2013.11.06 20:12:00 - [29] - Quote Like they're doing it right now? I get revived by f'ing assault suits more often than I do by logis. Reps? Only from rep nanohives that they're standing on to get 394032942 kills. Ammo? Any assault that knows what's good for him carries a nanohive. So what have I to lose? *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2153	Posted - 2013.11.06 20:29:00 - [30] - Quote 1. I always carry my own ammo since I can't trust anyone to throw down nanohives 2. I rarely get revived and when I do it's a militia needle (And no most of the time I don't get reps after being revived... Good thing I wear complex armor reps though) 3. I almost never get repped. 4. Drop uplinks are usually the only support I get from logis even though I can just go and set them out myself plus get quite a bit of WP for just throwing it down on the ground.

Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2153	Posted - 2013.11.06 20:33:00 - [31] - Quote Atiim wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Atiim wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: I'm a logi and I approve this message. +1 On a side note, I'm happy with were logis are, it's the Caldari that are slightly OP, they can dual tank and get over 1k ehp when amarr logi was supposed to be the dual tank......but I still love my logi ak0 Really? I found Minmatar logis to be good dual tankers They keep the same exact slot layout as the Amarr Logistics (except the sidearm and an addition equipment slot at STD) I've always found the Minmatar to be dual tankers Some may be dual tankers but amarr were intended to be the true dual tankers. Caldari was supposed to be middle of the road but more shield oriented, minmatar were supposed to be shields and gallente were supposed to be armour tanks. From my experience, I find this to be slightly incorrect. I believe that Gallente are armor tankers, Caldari are shield tankers. And both the Minmatar and the Amarr are dual tankers But I'm not 100% sure. Amarr are dual tankers and minmatar are speed tankers (Which means they use mostly shields)
CharCharOdell 1478	Posted - 2013.11.06 21:13:00 - [32] - Quote Logis are the best point defense medium suits. However, they are too slow to be true assaults and if they run out of ammo and have no backup, they die. That is why assaults make better assaulters. Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition


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