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Dachande Anasazi Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 74	Posted - 2013.11.04 04:56:00 - [1] - Quote Take a look at Battlefield Bad company 2. (A very popular FPS in its day) The medic was a HEAVY MACHINE GUNNER!!! Medic from TF1. Poisoned the crap outta everyone. However was squishy but at least he was FAST In TF2 I know they did somethign with the medic I just forgot what. Furthermore look at guild wars 1... Dude there was a MONK build (a healer) which COULD NOT be killed 1 v1 (I forgot what it was called) PALADIN's in WoW in endgame were HEALERS...in 1v1 they were ridiculous (actually they just shielded and hearthed away.) Shamans - OP Earth Shock ANyone? Druids---at a time OP. Clerics in forgotten realms Druids in forgotten realms Problem is Assault n00bs dont know hwo to PLAY their class. Im sorry I can kill and keep people alive. However when some idiot ass assault dude doesnt know I cannot out rep the other teams DPS. DO NOT blame me for not doing my job or that I am a slayer logi. NO. Ur the idiot who thought the triage hive could repp u faster than SMGs and AR's shooting at ur face could. USE FUKING COVER u IDIOTS When a nade is thrown at me I need my armor plates and keep my fingers corss I dont get killed. Because I can't out run it. (assuming it is cooked - contact just forget about it) UR ASSaults can RUN AWAY. Seriously ive seen gimped SCOUTS with RE do what you're supposed to do better than you people. (BTW scout needs a buff). Put an Assault suit in their hands and they will show u how the ** it is done. My job isnt being ur * and following u stayingbehidn u with a repper and keep shooting ur ass with it cuz ur too dumb to realize my repper cant out heal enemy teams DPS. My job is creating spawn points in tactical locations. Meaning sometimes I need to break away from you ASSaults and lay a uplink and be myself while the rest of u go on to the next point (So why u move to A on the bridge I am still at C climbing a ladder). My job is to see WHERE u ASSaults are taking cover so I can RUN to you with BULLETS flying over my head. So i can drop a HIVE (triage or Ammo) or stab u with an injector. I CANT DO THAT without MY HEALTH. ***** IDIOTS!!! Yes we stack armor/shields to stay alive to HEAL U. Have u idiots tried anything different other than trying to stack health? MAYBE ur jobs are NOT SPECIALIZED slayers...MAYBE everyone is a SLAYER and u special job is somethign else that doesnt req stacking HEALTH. Have u tried to OTHER modules or do you think they're for logis or scouts? MAYBE ur job is to use AV. (I cant carry a secondary u idiots but obviously u cant think to go to a supply depot to switch and think some commando got it).. MAYBE ur job is to HUNT AV users and PROTECT OUR DAMN TANKS (buff tanks until Assault people realize their Jobs) BUT NOOOO U ASSaults want to 1v1 eachother to stroke u e-peens. Perhaps carry an injector so I dont have to and I can focus on hives and hence have some more left over pg/cpu to put something else in my slot. LOGIS DO OUR JOBS...all the Gallente armor logis I know DO the job. Assaults play CoD then accuse us for not doing our jobs when THEY die.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4405	Posted - 2013.11.04 05:03:00 - [2] - Quote Can't compare DUST to BF... far less BC2. In BC2 the LMGs were great, but the AR > LMG. In BF3 the medics have the strongest weapons, ARs. Probably the strongest most used equipment also, medkits + Defibs. Problem with a game like DUST is suits have a limited amount of slots. Logi suits have the most slots. So TECHNICALLY they need a drawback to be balanced, otherwise why even have a difference just give everyone 4-5 equipment slots + 4-5 L / H slots. It's about balance really. The assault class has 1 equipment slot because it wasn't designed to use equipment. The logi suit is designed to hold equipment, and what's the cost of this? Personally I don't care if logis get nerfed or not, it's just a matter of balance in, which is something CCP has failed on many fronts before, so w/e. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Dachande Anasazi Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 74	Posted - 2013.11.04 05:06:00 - [3] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Can't compare DUST to BF... far less BC2. In BF3 the medics have the strongest weapons, ARs. Probably the strongest most used equipment also, medkits + Defibs. before, so w/e. How does that not prove my point that I CAN be a slayer... btw in other RPG games healers are pretty hard to kill. (see examples)
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 855	Posted - 2013.11.04 05:07:00 - [4] - Quote You can be a slayer, don't give up believe in yourself You forgot the most important example btw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H7FTPv7QcQ For the Empire! Member of ASS: Amarr Secret Service.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4405	Posted - 2013.11.04 05:08:00 - [5] - Quote Dachande Anasazi wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Can't compare DUST to BF... far less BC2. In BF3 the medics have the strongest weapons, ARs. Probably the strongest most used equipment also, medkits + Defibs. before, so w/e. How does that not prove my point that I CAN be a slayer... btw in other RPG games healers are pretty hard to kill. (see examples) RPGs...DUST is a FPS first and foremost. IMO logis shouldn't be slayers, otherwise what's the point in having Assault suits? Take them out the game. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Heimdallr69 Imperfect Bastards 1153	Posted - 2013.11.04 05:08:00 - [6] - Quote Hey guess what in those games they didn't have 3-4 equipment slots while assaults only have 1 in those games they don't have more hp than assaults...you get the picture?
Dachande Anasazi Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 74	Posted - 2013.11.04 05:10:00 - [7] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Dachande Anasazi wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Can't compare DUST to BF... far less BC2. In BF3 the medics have the strongest weapons, ARs. Probably the strongest most used equipment also, medkits + Defibs. before, so w/e. How does that not prove my point that I CAN be a slayer... btw in other RPG games healers are pretty hard to kill. (see examples) RPGs...DUST is a FPS first and foremost. IMO logis shouldn't be slayers, otherwise what's the point in having Assault suits? Take them out the game. Okay in FPS the Battlefield games the MEDIC could also SLAY. In TF1 the MEDIC could SLAY.. When I give u FPS examples you say I cant compare. I give you RPG examples you say this game is a FPS...WTF is wrong with u
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4405	Posted - 2013.11.04 05:12:00 - [8] - Quote Dachande Anasazi wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Dachande Anasazi wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Can't compare DUST to BF... far less BC2. In BF3 the medics have the strongest weapons, ARs. Probably the strongest most used equipment also, medkits + Defibs. before, so w/e. How does that not prove my point that I CAN be a slayer... btw in other RPG games healers are pretty hard to kill. (see examples) RPGs...DUST is a FPS first and foremost. IMO logis shouldn't be slayers, otherwise what's the point in having Assault suits? Take them out the game. Okay in FPS the Battlefield games the MEDIC could also SLAY. In TF1 the MEDIC could SLAY.. When I give u FPS examples you say I cant compare. I give you RPG examples you say this game is a FPS...WTF is wrong with u Yea but BF has no "suits" set up with specific slots, hence you can't compare that aspect. You still didn't answer my question, if logis can alo be slayers, what's the point of assault suits? Isn't that redundant? ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Dachande Anasazi Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 74	Posted - 2013.11.04 05:17:00 - [9] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Hey guess what in those games they didn't have 3-4 equipment slots while assaults only have 1 in those games they don't have more hp than assaults...you get the picture? The Thesis wasn't that Assaults dont need a buff. The thesis was that LOGIS can KILL and be SLAYERS TOO. We do not need to be minimized to bitchass rep tool followers...As some people have suggested. Assault doesnt mean SLAYER Logi doesnt mean SLAYER SCOUT doesnt mean SLAYER HEavy doesnt mean SLAYER. We ALL are slayers. U people just havent found ur role yet and are comparing everything in regards to SLAYING. Scouts can SLAY and HACK LOgis can SLAY and Support (and we do) Heavies can SLAY and DEFEND (dont nerf the damn forge gun and give the HMG a buff) Assaults WANT TO SLAY like CoD. Ever try PUSH UP in positions. Or HUNT AV. Or Hunt UPLINKS. Assaults = SLAY and MAP CONTROL (Kill the Damn AV kill the uplinks and nano hives. Use different weapons than then AR and PUSH the fuk up and if u get pushed back u can runaway something an ARMOR gallente cant once s/he pushes up, we're commited ot the fight hence we SHOULD go in after)
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 749	Posted - 2013.11.04 05:17:00 - [10] - Quote ^ You can't argue with that, Lance. Edit: You guys posted while I was writing... [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Burner of faces. The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.

Dachande Anasazi Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 74	Posted - 2013.11.04 05:18:00 - [11] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Dachande Anasazi wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Dachande Anasazi wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Can't compare DUST to BF... far less BC2. In BF3 the medics have the strongest weapons, ARs. Probably the strongest most used equipment also, medkits + Defibs. before, so w/e. How does that not prove my point that I CAN be a slayer... btw in other RPG games healers are pretty hard to kill. (see examples) RPGs...DUST is a FPS first and foremost. IMO logis shouldn't be slayers, otherwise what's the point in having Assault suits? Take them out the game. Okay in FPS the Battlefield games the MEDIC could also SLAY. In TF1 the MEDIC could SLAY.. When I give u FPS examples you say I cant compare. I give you RPG examples you say this game is a FPS...WTF is wrong with u Yea but BF has no "suits" set up with specific slots, hence you can't compare that aspect. You still didn't answer my question, if logis can alo be slayers, what's the point of assault suits? Isn't that redundant? EVERYTHING can be a SLAYER...to REDUCE a scouts role to ONLY hacking and a logis rule to ONLY healing and to REDUCE a heavy to be a...(well lets not talk about them) Assault is a slayer, also should be AV.
Tectonic Fusion 466	Posted - 2013.11.04 05:25:00 - [12] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Dachande Anasazi wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Dachande Anasazi wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Can't compare DUST to BF... far less BC2. In BF3 the medics have the strongest weapons, ARs. Probably the strongest most used equipment also, medkits + Defibs. before, so w/e. How does that not prove my point that I CAN be a slayer... btw in other RPG games healers are pretty hard to kill. (see examples) RPGs...DUST is a FPS first and foremost. IMO logis shouldn't be slayers, otherwise what's the point in having Assault suits? Take them out the game. Okay in FPS the Battlefield games the MEDIC could also SLAY. In TF1 the MEDIC could SLAY.. When I give u FPS examples you say I cant compare. I give you RPG examples you say this game is a FPS...WTF is wrong with u Yea but BF has no "suits" set up with specific slots, hence you can't compare that aspect. You still didn't answer my question, if logis can alo be slayers, what's the point of assault suits? Isn't that redundant? Assaults are more fit than logis at assaulting. Plus why does everyone say "medic" when it's a logistic suit. AKA someone who carried equipment for military purposes and resupplies troops while setting up a battle (uplinks, but scouts are more fit for this). Logistics have less EHP (But you would complain that they have more slots...only for proto or Amarr Logistics...), less speed, less stamina, recharge, delay, lack of sidearm etc... and you say we need a nerf? I agree smart players don't need a sidearm. But for a full out assault you need the stamina and speed with a sidearm if you are facing multiple opponents while infiltrating an objective. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4405	Posted - 2013.11.04 05:28:00 - [13] - Quote Meh, then just take out the assault suit. You're talking about making the logi suit do the same exact role as the assault suit, while it has more slots + equipment. I agree suits shouldn't be defined to a specific role, which is all the more reason to get rid of the assault suit. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Dachande Anasazi Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 77	Posted - 2013.11.04 05:29:00 - [14] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: Assaults are more fit than logis at assaulting. Plus why does everyone say "medic" when it's a logistic suit. AKA someone who carried equipment for military purposes and resupplies troops while setting up a battle (uplinks, but scouts are more fit for this). Logistics have less EHP (But you would complain that they have more slots...only for proto or Amarr Logistics...), less speed, less stamina, recharge, delay, lack of sidearm etc... and you say we need a nerf? I agree smart players don't need a sidearm. But for a full out assault you need the stamina and speed with a sidearm if you are facing multiple opponents while infiltrating an objective. SOMEONE GETS IT.. ASSAULT players can move UP...we are slow as hell.. And even if u do wanna go 1v1 with my logi with no equipment and all armor...Im sure if u get up close with 2 Proto SMG and me with my Duvolle. And u STRAFE...my douvalle will run outta ammo and I will need to reload b4 ur first SMG is emptied and when I finish reloading u can switch to ur 2nd gun.. Assault ur job is to SWARM an objective with speed. Ur job is to protect out Tanks.Ur job is to RUN to a DEPOT (cuz WE cannot RUN) switch to an AV fit and KIll enemy tank..THAT IS VERSATILITY
Cosgar ParagonX 7147	Posted - 2013.11.04 05:30:00 - [15] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Dachande Anasazi wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Dachande Anasazi wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Can't compare DUST to BF... far less BC2. In BF3 the medics have the strongest weapons, ARs. Probably the strongest most used equipment also, medkits + Defibs. before, so w/e. How does that not prove my point that I CAN be a slayer... btw in other RPG games healers are pretty hard to kill. (see examples) RPGs...DUST is a FPS first and foremost. IMO logis shouldn't be slayers, otherwise what's the point in having Assault suits? Take them out the game. Okay in FPS the Battlefield games the MEDIC could also SLAY. In TF1 the MEDIC could SLAY.. When I give u FPS examples you say I cant compare. I give you RPG examples you say this game is a FPS...WTF is wrong with u Yea but BF has no "suits" set up with specific slots, hence you can't compare that aspect. You still didn't answer my question, if logis can alo be slayers, what's the point of assault suits? Isn't that redundant? Someone made the decision that the HMG should be for camping and tickling assaults to death- how's that working out for you? Preconceived notions of what should and shouldn't be is ruining this game. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7404	Posted - 2013.11.04 05:30:00 - [16] - Quote Jelly and peanut butter were meant to be. Then I ate them. There love is a lie. Red is dead
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 228	Posted - 2013.11.04 05:31:00 - [17] - Quote I don't think anyone ever said logistics couldn't slay. The Amarr Logi is arguably the best all-around combat suit in the game- same module layout as the proto Gal Assault, +2 equipment slots, a sidearm, and more CPU/PG than any assault suit. In exchange, you lose a little speed, but once the brawling starts that's not too much of an issue.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 644	Posted - 2013.11.04 05:31:00 - [18] - Quote Any suit can be purposed however the wearer sees fit. For **'s sake, I ninja as a heavy. With Nova Knives. I'm pretty sure the majority thinks that it's a bad idea, but it works. I used to shotgun/knife with it, but that was quite some time ago. My logistic suits are geared to be logibros because that's how I roll. It takes more balls to be the squishy medic than the super soldier anyways, especially with all the protogear out in play lately. My Commando is a confusing as all ** setup. Shotgun, AR, Repair Tool. I'm rather sure that's not what most people would imagine the only heavy to have two lights and an equipment slot to be doing. My scout is pretty typical shotgun/knife, stealthily moving about and whatnot. Some of my Assaults are actually logibros, though more combat geared. My point is, any suit can be used for any role. It just matters how much determination you have to do it. I go commando in my Commando. Feels good, man.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4405	Posted - 2013.11.04 05:31:00 - [19] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Someone made the decision that the HMG should be for camping and tickling assaults to death- how's that working out for you? Preconceived notions of what should and shouldn't be is ruining this game. Honestly don't care what happens to the logi, but logis want to do what assault players do + have more HP + have more equipment slots. My point is, why have an assault suit? ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Dachande Anasazi Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 77	Posted - 2013.11.04 05:32:00 - [20] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: I don't think anyone ever said logistics couldn't slay. The Amarr Logi is arguably the best all-around combat suit in the game- same module layout as the proto Gal Assault, +2 equipment slots, a sidearm, and more CPU/PG than any assault suit. In exchange, you lose a little speed, but once the brawling starts that's not too much of an issue. Yea then a TANK comes...who goes to run back to a supply depot to get a swarmer... ROLES PEOPLE... ASSAULTS KNOW UR ROLE

Dachande Anasazi Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 77	Posted - 2013.11.04 05:33:00 - [21] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Cosgar wrote: Someone made the decision that the HMG should be for camping and tickling assaults to death- how's that working out for you? Preconceived notions of what should and shouldn't be is ruining this game. Honestly don't care what happens to the logi, but logis want to do what assault players do + have more HP + have more equipment slots. My point is, why have an assault suit? MY POINT IS!! We dont wanna do what the assault does...because what YOU think the assault does is what we ALL DO. Assault players (for the most part) are idiots and DONT KNOW what their role is. LOGIS cannot replace assaults..
Cosgar ParagonX 7148	Posted - 2013.11.04 05:39:00 - [22] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Cosgar wrote: Someone made the decision that the HMG should be for camping and tickling assaults to death- how's that working out for you? Preconceived notions of what should and shouldn't be is ruining this game. Honestly don't care what happens to the logi, but logis want to do what assault players do + have more HP + have more equipment slots. My point is, why have an assault suit? This all started with the CaLogi. CaLogi got nerfed, but people are carrying this nerf logi torch. I've been a Minmatar logi since Chrome and took almost an entire day weighing the options with several logi alts before I decided to stick with Minmatar. Aside from the early uprising CaLogi, that could do everything aside from equipping heavy weapons, overpowered everything. The problem has since been fixed but these logi topics seem to pop up from misinformed players. There's no issue to fix because it's been resolved. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4405	Posted - 2013.11.04 05:43:00 - [23] - Quote Dachande Anasazi wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Cosgar wrote: Someone made the decision that the HMG should be for camping and tickling assaults to death- how's that working out for you? Preconceived notions of what should and shouldn't be is ruining this game. Honestly don't care what happens to the logi, but logis want to do what assault players do + have more HP + have more equipment slots. My point is, why have an assault suit? MY POINT IS!! We dont wanna do what the assault does...because what YOU think the assault does is what we ALL DO. Assault players (for the most part) are idiots and DONT KNOW what their role is. LOGIS cannot replace assaults.. But... isn't the argument "THERE IS NO ROLE FOR A SPECIFIED CLASS"??? Yet you're giving the Assault suit a role now... Only difference I see between Assault suits and Logi suits, is one has more stuff on his suit lol Logis can play an assault role very effectively, and the argument some people make is they do it TOO effectively, and I might agree to a point. The Caldari logi suit was a perfect example, hence the nerf it got. I don't agree that all Logi suits need a blanket nerf however. Obviously there needs to be clear advantages to using an assault suit over a logi suit, and a little more speed or a little bit of shield regen time is nothing. But alas, I'm just spitballing a clear unbalance imo. Comes back to the bonus on suits being a joke. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"

CCP Frame C C P C C P Alliance 1659	Posted - 2013.11.04 05:46:00 - [24] - Quote Thread locked due to non constructive rant and language. CCP Frame



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