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Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 900	Posted - 2013.11.03 22:02:00 - [1] - Quote Why not just limit the mods they get to match the assault variants of the respective races?
Ansiiis The Trustworthy United Empires Organisation 376	Posted - 2013.11.03 22:10:00 - [2] - Quote Why not just give them cpu req redu tion on equipment instead of unlimited cpu/pg
Cosgar ParagonX 7075	Posted - 2013.11.03 22:12:00 - [3] - Quote Sorry, but you're a bit late- like months late. CaLogi was the only suit that had a clear advantage over every suit in the game, short of equipping heavy weapons. With its insanely high CPU/PG, +5% shield extender efficacy racial bonus, shield armor imbalance, and the TAC AR fiasco, the CaLogi was the one suit that ruled them all. It's been since ~~nerfed~~ re-balanced, and the lingering logi hate come from players that are misinformed or have some per-concieved notion that logistics should be limited to tethering a repper to a heavy or a squad's personal pack mule. Either ideals are completely incorrect as the logistics suit is just a medium suit that has different strengths and weaknesses compared to an assault. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4574	Posted - 2013.11.03 22:13:00 - [4] - Quote I think a better idea would be to give them 8 high slots, 8 low slots, 8 equipment slots, and three light weapon slots plus a heavy weapon slot. The CPU/PG should scale accordingly so they can fit all proto in everything. Level 4 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Dachande Anasazi Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 67	Posted - 2013.11.03 22:14:00 - [5] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Sorry, but you're a bit late- like months late. CaLogi was the only suit that had a clear advantage over every suit in the game, short of equipping heavy weapons. With its insanely high CPU/PG, +5% shield extender efficacy racial bonus, shield armor imbalance, and the TAC AR fiasco, the CaLogi was the one suit that ruled them all. It's been since ~~nerfed~~ re-balanced, and the lingering logi hate come from players that are misinformed or have some per-concieved notion that logistics should be limited to tethering a repper to a heavy or a squad's personal pack mule. Either ideals are completely incorrect as the logistics suit is just a medium suit that has different strengths and weaknesses compared to an assault. WELL SAID!!
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4574	Posted - 2013.11.03 22:15:00 - [6] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Sorry, but you're a bit late- like months late. CaLogi was the only suit that had a clear advantage over every suit in the game, short of equipping heavy weapons. With its insanely high CPU/PG, +5% shield extender efficacy racial bonus, shield armor imbalance, and the TAC AR fiasco, the CaLogi was the one suit that ruled them all. It's been since ~~nerfed~~ re-balanced, and the lingering logi hate come from players that are misinformed or have some per-concieved notion that logistics should be limited to tethering a repper to a heavy or a squad's personal pack mule. Either ideals are completely incorrect as the logistics suit is just a medium suit that has different strengths and weaknesses compared to an assault. I agree with this except in the case of the Gallente logistics. Minmatar logistics is fine - it has different strengths and weaknesses to the assault. Amarr logistics and assaults are different. Caldari logistics and assaults a little more similar, but they are different enough. Gallente logistics flat-out outperforms the Gallente assault. Level 4 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Cosgar ParagonX 7081	Posted - 2013.11.03 22:21:00 - [7] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cosgar wrote: Sorry, but you're a bit late- like months late. CaLogi was the only suit that had a clear advantage over every suit in the game, short of equipping heavy weapons. With its insanely high CPU/PG, +5% shield extender efficacy racial bonus, shield armor imbalance, and the TAC AR fiasco, the CaLogi was the one suit that ruled them all. It's been since ~~nerfed~~ re-balanced, and the lingering logi hate come from players that are misinformed or have some per-concieved notion that logistics should be limited to tethering a repper to a heavy or a squad's personal pack mule. Either ideals are completely incorrect as the logistics suit is just a medium suit that has different strengths and weaknesses compared to an assault. I agree with this except in the case of the Gallente logistics. Minmatar logistics is fine - it has different strengths and weaknesses to the assault. Amarr logistics and assaults are different. Caldari logistics and assaults a little more similar, but they are different enough. Gallente logistics flat-out outperforms the Gallente assault. I agree GaLogi does overpower the assault a bit. The assault's racial looks good on paper, but there's only 3 weapons that work with it. If we had other hybrid type light weapons and sidearms (not sure if grenades would work with the bonus) the assault would be better since it could equip better weapons while getting a decent tank. Another option would be to buff its CPU/PG with a +2% plate efficacy per level bonus, making it similar to the Caldari assault. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 52	Posted - 2013.11.03 22:24:00 - [8] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I agree with this except in the case of the Gallente logistics. Minmatar logistics is fine - it has different strengths and weaknesses to the assault. Amarr logistics and assaults are different. Caldari logistics and assaults a little more similar, but they are different enough. Gallente logistics flat-out outperforms the Gallente assault. What's the difference between CalLogi and CalAslt? The CalLogi doesn't get the Extender Efficacy any longer, but it does have 5 High and 4 Low: huh?! The GalAslt is lacking compared to the GalLogi but that is more to do with how terrible the Role/Racial Role bonuses are: 5% Shield Recharge Rate should not be a generic Role Bonus, it should be a Caldari racial. The GalAslt should have something like Armour Repair Efficacy and the Logistics Role Bonus should be altered. That is what makes the Logistics class appear to be better: it's because of stupidly distributed bonuses.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4575	Posted - 2013.11.03 22:27:00 - [9] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cosgar wrote: Sorry, but you're a bit late- like months late. CaLogi was the only suit that had a clear advantage over every suit in the game, short of equipping heavy weapons. With its insanely high CPU/PG, +5% shield extender efficacy racial bonus, shield armor imbalance, and the TAC AR fiasco, the CaLogi was the one suit that ruled them all. It's been since ~~nerfed~~ re-balanced, and the lingering logi hate come from players that are misinformed or have some per-concieved notion that logistics should be limited to tethering a repper to a heavy or a squad's personal pack mule. Either ideals are completely incorrect as the logistics suit is just a medium suit that has different strengths and weaknesses compared to an assault. I agree with this except in the case of the Gallente logistics. Minmatar logistics is fine - it has different strengths and weaknesses to the assault. Amarr logistics and assaults are different. Caldari logistics and assaults a little more similar, but they are different enough. Gallente logistics flat-out outperforms the Gallente assault. I agree GaLogi does overpower the assault a bit. The assault's racial looks good on paper, but there's only 3 weapons that work with it. If we had other hybrid type light weapons and sidearms (not sure if grenades would work with the bonus) the assault would be better since it could equip better weapons while getting a decent tank. Another option would be to buff its CPU/PG with a +2% plate efficacy per level bonus, making it similar to the Caldari assault. Yeah. I'm not sure the issue is with the logistics so much as it is with the assault - the assault suffers from the lack of an armour repair bonus, having a shield bonus (wtf?) and its only proper bonus being rather... meh. Having to fit two repairers to a Gallassault (which is necessary to have a decent regen rate) cripples the HP potential. If it had the inherent 5 HP/s that logistics suits had I'm sure it'd be better off. Level 4 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Cosgar ParagonX 7081	Posted - 2013.11.03 22:28:00 - [10] - Quote Kallas Hallytyr wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I agree with this except in the case of the Gallente logistics. Minmatar logistics is fine - it has different strengths and weaknesses to the assault. Amarr logistics and assaults are different. Caldari logistics and assaults a little more similar, but they are different enough. Gallente logistics flat-out outperforms the Gallente assault. What's the difference between CalLogi and CalAslt? The CalLogi doesn't get the Extender Efficacy any longer, but it does have 5 High and 4 Low: huh?! The GalAslt is lacking compared to the GalLogi but that is more to do with how terrible the Role/Racial Role bonuses are: 5% Shield Recharge Rate should not be a generic Role Bonus, it should be a Caldari racial. The GalAslt should have something like Armour Repair Efficacy and the Logistics Role Bonus should be altered. That is what makes the Logistics class appear to be better: it's because of stupidly distributed bonuses. Most of this is because of a faulty "tagging" system CCP is using right now. I don't think suits should have a blanket bonus but instead different base stats and specific bonuses to fit with how the suit is built. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"

Cosgar ParagonX 7085	Posted - 2013.11.03 22:29:00 - [11] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cosgar wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cosgar wrote: Sorry, but you're a bit late- like months late. CaLogi was the only suit that had a clear advantage over every suit in the game, short of equipping heavy weapons. With its insanely high CPU/PG, +5% shield extender efficacy racial bonus, shield armor imbalance, and the TAC AR fiasco, the CaLogi was the one suit that ruled them all. It's been since ~~nerfed~~ re-balanced, and the lingering logi hate come from players that are misinformed or have some per-concieved notion that logistics should be limited to tethering a repper to a heavy or a squad's personal pack mule. Either ideals are completely incorrect as the logistics suit is just a medium suit that has different strengths and weaknesses compared to an assault. I agree with this except in the case of the Gallente logistics. Minmatar logistics is fine - it has different strengths and weaknesses to the assault. Amarr logistics and assaults are different. Caldari logistics and assaults a little more similar, but they are different enough. Gallente logistics flat-out outperforms the Gallente assault. I agree GaLogi does overpower the assault a bit. The assault's racial looks good on paper, but there's only 3 weapons that work with it. If we had other hybrid type light weapons and sidearms (not sure if grenades would work with the bonus) the assault would be better since it could equip better weapons while getting a decent tank. Another option would be to buff its CPU/PG with a +2% plate efficacy per level bonus, making it similar to the Caldari assault. Yeah. I'm not sure the issue is with the logistics so much as it is with the assault - the assault suffers from the lack of an armour repair bonus, having a shield bonus (wtf?) and its only proper bonus being rather... meh. Having to fit two repairers to a Gallassault (which is necessary to have a decent regen rate) cripples the HP potential. If it had the inherent 5 HP/s that logistics suits had I'm sure it'd be better off. Armor tanked suits should just have a built in repair rate in general. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1222	Posted - 2013.11.03 22:40:00 - [12] - Quote The idea behind logistics is that they can fit a multitude of different modules...say an armor repair, plate, sprint mod, and shield regulator. The problem is not in the number of slots, but in the fact that it doesn't take very long to kill someone...so most people just stack plates and extenders to last longer on the battlefield, or damage mods to kill quicker. If it didn't take 0.2 seconds to kill with the automatic sniper rifle (aka the AR), then maybe more players would use different modules besides just a bunch of healh If anything, there should be a restriction to the types of modules you can have...or a stronger stacking penalty. List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos! (Insert future link here)
Dachande Anasazi Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 71	Posted - 2013.11.03 22:46:00 - [13] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cosgar wrote: Sorry, but you're a bit late- like months late. CaLogi was the only suit that had a clear advantage over every suit in the game, short of equipping heavy weapons. With its insanely high CPU/PG, +5% shield extender efficacy racial bonus, shield armor imbalance, and the TAC AR fiasco, the CaLogi was the one suit that ruled them all. It's been since ~~nerfed~~ re-balanced, and the lingering logi hate come from players that are misinformed or have some per-concieved notion that logistics should be limited to tethering a repper to a heavy or a squad's personal pack mule. Either ideals are completely incorrect as the logistics suit is just a medium suit that has different strengths and weaknesses compared to an assault. I agree with this except in the case of the Gallente logistics. Minmatar logistics is fine - it has different strengths and weaknesses to the assault. Amarr logistics and assaults are different. Caldari logistics and assaults a little more similar, but they are different enough. Gallente logistics flat-out outperforms the Gallente assault. I agree GaLogi does overpower the assault a bit. The assault's racial looks good on paper, but there's only 3 weapons that work with it. If we had other hybrid type light weapons and sidearms (not sure if grenades would work with the bonus) the assault would be better since it could equip better weapons while getting a decent tank. Another option would be to buff its CPU/PG with a +2% plate efficacy per level bonus, making it similar to the Caldari assault. I am speccing into Gal assault now..after using gallogi..I'll say that the assault needs to be buffed rather than the logi being nerfed...THe only reason it outperforms is because of all armor plates..ut you run slow and hence you cant get into cqc so SMG is out...u have no secondary..so if you use AR or MD u have less ammo and really screwed if you dont kill people. SCR also over heats but that is a problem everywhere. I say buff the assault.
Cosgar ParagonX 7087	Posted - 2013.11.03 22:47:00 - [14] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: The idea behind logistics is that they can fit a multitude of different modules...say an armor repair, plate, sprint mod, and shield regulator. The problem is not in the number of slots, but in the fact that it doesn't take very long to kill someone...so most people just stack plates and extenders to last longer on the battlefield, or damage mods to kill quicker. If it didn't take 0.2 seconds to kill with the automatic sniper rifle (aka the AR), then maybe more players would use different modules besides just a bunch of healh If anything, there should be a restriction to the types of modules you can have...or a stronger stacking penalty. I think it's a TTK thing above all else. The hit detection fixes, aim-assist, and all the little hot fixes CCP did between 1.0-1.3 need to be rolled back and everything can be re-evaluated from there. This "fix a problem to another problem that was to fix this problem..." stacking isn't the way to do things. Remember when everyone wanted to nerf the MD after 1.2? A lot of seasoned massholes (me included) said wait until aiming and hit detection to get fixed in 1.4 before any sweeping changes. Look at how relevant the MD is now compared to then. Same thing. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 906	Posted - 2013.11.03 22:50:00 - [15] - Quote Why not get rid of the assault? Problem solved! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both
Booker DaFooker Ancient Exiles 151	Posted - 2013.11.03 22:59:00 - [16] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: The idea behind logistics is that they can fit a multitude of different modules...say an armor repair, plate, sprint mod, and shield regulator. The problem is not in the number of slots, but in the fact that it doesn't take very long to kill someone...so most people just stack plates and extenders to last longer on the battlefield, or damage mods to kill quicker. If it didn't take 0.2 seconds to kill with the automatic sniper rifle (aka the AR), then maybe more players would use different modules besides just a bunch of healh If anything, there should be a restriction to the types of modules you can have...or a stronger stacking penalty. Would love to see dps slashed across the board. Can you imagine how different gameplay would be if it took at least twice the damage you deal now to kill someone. It gets more tactical and it encourages teamwork imho. And like you said, people could experiment more with fits other than having to stack plates Bullshit Baffles Brains
Cosgar ParagonX 7091	Posted - 2013.11.03 23:04:00 - [17] - Quote Booker DaFooker wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: The idea behind logistics is that they can fit a multitude of different modules...say an armor repair, plate, sprint mod, and shield regulator. The problem is not in the number of slots, but in the fact that it doesn't take very long to kill someone...so most people just stack plates and extenders to last longer on the battlefield, or damage mods to kill quicker. If it didn't take 0.2 seconds to kill with the automatic sniper rifle (aka the AR), then maybe more players would use different modules besides just a bunch of healh If anything, there should be a restriction to the types of modules you can have...or a stronger stacking penalty. Would love to see dps slashed across the board. Can you imagine how different gameplay would be if it took at least twice the damage you deal now to kill someone. It gets more tactical and it encourages teamwork imho. And like you said, people could experiment more with fits other than having to stack plates That's what this game should be. People used to modern military FPS have this ideal that short TTK = more tactical, but that's not necessarily true. Dust needs to be different and go back to the roots that made it a "thinking man's FPS." There's actually a topic about the TTK problem. (Please direct all +1's to Zeylon Rho) I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 794	Posted - 2013.11.03 23:29:00 - [18] - Quote Ansiiis The Trustworthy wrote: Why not just give them cpu req redu tion on equipment instead of unlimited cpu/pg Ohhh yes this. This is a fix. Meaning, suit PG+CPU output comparable to assaults, but a real big reduction on equipment PG+CPU costs.


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