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Komodo Jones
Chaotik Serenity
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:36:00 -
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There's still so many people in the dust and eve community that complain about every change that happens in the game, hell I did my share of whining like back when they came out with ferro and reactive plates, but at some point everyone knows you just need to shut up and try to make it work, adapt or quit. The sad thing I've seen a few people quit, not many, but more than enough. Rather than accept the challenge ahead of them and walk through the newly fueled fire they turn their back on everything they put into the game and cut off all ties, curse the heavens, pray for the game's demise, etc.
I simply don't understand it, I get a new player coming in and seeing the chaos and trials that lie ahead of them, it would seem only masochists would put themselves through this just to be able to function sometimes in this frustrating and wonderful environment; However the players who have invested their time and money, who have made friends and rivals and possibly made the game a little personal, what is their excuse? Their suit won't be as effective as last time and their playstyle and strategy may need to be reworked? Is that really any attitude to take when facing a new obstacle? A "f*** having to work and trying new things" attitude?
Say what you will about the game but the constant changes and fluctuations are proof that the game is alive, it may change direction or hit rough areas but it's still moving. For whatever reason there are still people who don't want to adapt to these changes, who don't want to travel with them and instead try to hold on to their old ways, an endeavor which is about as easy as trying to bend a river with a stick, and they end up getting frustrated and hurt, not because some part of the game didn't go their way but because they couldn't overcome their own selfishness and fantasies to see that this game only works for people who accept these hardships as inevitable, that it only favors the persistent and the passionate. It's hard to see these people struggle, and some quit, just because they refuse to let go of old ideas.
This is not an error on the part of the developers, they're making something truly unique, maybe not refined yet, but still different, I hope you players will stick around for the ride. |
General John Ripper
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:38:00 -
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I learned to live with the QQ in my life.
Dust 514's #17 Forum Warrior
Founder of the Forum Warrior Club
King of Tacos
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:41:00 -
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Or maybe we just grow tired of the endless circle of having our builds ripped to shreds, having things be too strong, then having them become too weak, over and over again.
The thing about having faith for a long time, is that it becomes easier to lose it.
Also, lobby shooters get boring, it's what they do.
Red is dead
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:43:00 -
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Try investing millions of SP into shield recharge and shield regulation, then see how you feel when those two modules are rendered useless by the next update.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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General John Ripper
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:52:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Try investing millions of SP into shield recharge and shield regulation, then see how you feel when those two modules are rendered useless by the next update.
been there done that
Dust 514's #17 Forum Warrior
Founder of the Forum Warrior Club
King of Tacos
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Komodo Jones
Chaotik Serenity
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Posted - 2013.11.01 18:01:00 -
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I ignore most of the forum whining because what else can be done about it? But the fact remains that there's still so much of it that people can generally assume if they go on the forums there's going to be QQ on the first page of any section, much rather see people making constructive arguments or being supportive, get enough of those and maybe some actual improvements can be made.
fiend I've had my fits torn up a bit, but at some point I just sat down and tried to find a way to make them better than they were before or at least functional. Hell I finally settled down on a weapon and if they told me the smg would be nerfed in 1.7 and we're not getting a respec, what more can be said besides "oh well"? Sure I could fight them on it, come up with math and a bunch of other reasons why it shouldn't just because I want to keep using it, but if it happens there's little more I can do other than move on and try my hand at other guns.
and as for cosgar I plan to max out shield recharging and regulation, and I probably won't get to it until after 1.7. Trying to max out everything in dropsuit upgrades and i guess my logic for that was that the only way to be safe from heavy changes would be to be good at everything, have a good foundation. Still will fall victim if they decide to make changes to weapons or suits but again, what can ya do besides say "oh well"?
I don't think we should keep silent on everything, if there's actually something in the game that's just fundamentally wrong then speak out but like with me I really only have any significant investment in smgs for weapons, I understand that that's shifty ground, that it's frail to be only good at 1 thing, and if that one thing changes I'm ******, but I've accepted this. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.11.01 18:05:00 -
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Hey man, if people want to sit around for a year and a half and pray that things will finally be better, they're welcome to, I know I did.
I'm just saying, you hit a point where you really just don't care anymore, and it's more important to get the lulz than to really care about the game.
I play from time to time, usually get more frustrated than anything these days, it's either redline or be redlined, and AV is the dumbest thing, both as an AV specialist and a vehicle specialist. Also, the skill tree is remarkably small, with many $$ vets having maxed out all core skills and 2 or 3 "specializations"
AKA, we've reached a point of stagnation.
Red is dead
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CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP
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Posted - 2013.11.01 18:08:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Hey man, if people want to sit around for a year and a half and pray that things will finally be better, they're welcome to, I know I did.
I'm just saying, you hit a point where you really just don't care anymore, and it's more important to get the lulz than to really care about the game.
I play from time to time, usually get more frustrated than anything these days, it's either redline or be redlined, and AV is the dumbest thing, both as an AV specialist and a vehicle specialist. Also, the skill tree is remarkably small, with many $$ vets having maxed out all core skills and 2 or 3 "specializations"
AKA, we've reached a point of stagnation.
QFT
DUST514 Love The Dream Hate The Product
Dusters - WhenGäó
CCP - SoonGäó
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Komodo Jones
Chaotik Serenity
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Posted - 2013.11.01 18:21:00 -
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Dunno about you guys but I still get on regularly even if it's just to screw around with friends, not torturing myself hoping it will get better, I know they're gonna come out with new **** and tweak old **** eventually and it can't hurt to be prepared for that, but really I've been playing to have fun, and when it stops being fun I stop playing for the day. I don't know about people doing other things because they're bored, I just know that people quit because the same old crap doesn't work anymore, those are the people that annoy me. |
CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization
Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.11.01 18:56:00 -
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with all the massive nerfs and buffs.
i sometimes sense this game is slowly turning into another boring cod shooter.
which is caused by the nerfbrigade/anrgry players/ ppl who want to be invincible in full proto.
and the worst part of it all..
none of them admit to it... |
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.11.01 19:04:00 -
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Well, just because CCP wants to do things a certain way doesn't mean ppl have to like it or put up with it. CCP suffers too. They don't get the amount of revenue they hope for and remain a niche game company.
Don't say they want it that way. If so, they would not have tried to do what they have to increase player base and revenue. From releasing a boxed store addition of EVE to DUST to future plans for other games, CCP wants and needs more customers. They won't get them the way they're going.
I used to be a tanker; but, then I took a swarm to the tread.
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Komodo Jones
Chaotik Serenity
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Posted - 2013.11.01 19:12:00 -
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It's just being an elitist *******, also the fact that alot of the players who have gotten to the point where they're bored and have 2 or 3 specializations have been here since the beginning and haven't really seen the other side of proto stomping. How many of them do you expect to think about what newer players are going through? But these are also people who are fanatical about the gameto the point where they basically play every day because all they care about is their KDR or their wins. It would be great if these people who probably have alot of knowledge about the weapons and strategies that work in the game would speak out but if it works for them why would they change it? Why make it fair when you know the trick for an easy win?
Every online game is going to have this kind of community and I don't think it's going to lead to the point where the customization drops out and only a few guns can function and it is basically call of duty, if the game stagnates it's time for a change and a pretty decent one is coming soon. But even if you have 30 million sp sometimes you can be made to feel like a noob, each match has some form of unpredictability in this way. |
Hellkeizer
The Avutora Complex
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Posted - 2013.11.01 19:16:00 -
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It is starting to get ridiculous, I haven't seen many new ideas because "it's not the focus and nobody wants to hear about new things."
Waiting on PvE
Balancing without core content is a fail
"Don't chu go disrespecting coconut water!" Chakra Attack
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Komodo Jones
Chaotik Serenity
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Posted - 2013.11.01 19:18:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Well, just because CCP wants to do things a certain way doesn't mean ppl have to like it or put up with it. CCP suffers too. They don't get the amount of revenue they hope for and remain a niche game company.
Don't say they want it that way. If so, they would not have tried to do what they have to increase player base and revenue. From releasing a boxed store addition of EVE to DUST to future plans for other games, CCP wants and needs more customers. They won't get them the way they're going.
Definitely a good point, and it seems like what they're doing right now is fixing the game to at least make it welcoming to new players before they basically try to advertise to these new people, but they want to do it without putting an "easy mode" button on it. I don't know how they plan to get the audience they want while not driving away the one they have, and it's not their fault if people do leave because right now everyone knows the game is unforgiving to new players, and if CCP wants to fix that they're probably going to **** off some vets, the important thing is that they stick around and realize that these changes will screw with them but that it's necessary. |
Komodo Jones
Chaotik Serenity
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Posted - 2013.11.01 19:22:00 -
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It's simple, if the game is going to survive the long run then it probably needs more people, and if it needs people those people have to want to play and keep playing, and if that's going to happen they can't be having their ass kicked with no hope of victory, and if we're going to make the game fair to them then the vets need to sacrifice something, they cannot be invincible or they need to do it elsewhere. |
Niuvo
NECROM0NGERS
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:25:00 -
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This game is personal for me. I've never been involved in a game like this. I hope for improvement and fun. |
Niuvo
NECROM0NGERS
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Posted - 2013.11.02 12:56:00 -
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Komodo Jones wrote: But even if you have 30 million sp sometimes you can be made to feel like a noob, each match has some form of unpredictability in this way.
So true.
I've been torturing myself in playing long hours to keep gaining SP. Even when I cap.
Maybe in the future this game will become as complex as EVE.
I keep playing because I want to be a formidable scout. I would like to cause havoc to the EVE players by winning strategic wars.
There is always room for improvement. |
Idye Lotz
xCosmic Voidx
Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
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Posted - 2013.11.02 16:41:00 -
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Looking back on it, I think the biggest reason Dust is in this rut is a couple of things. First, like it our not there should have been a total SP reset at launch of Uprising, in fact the respec was probably one of the worst things that happened. There where more new players then, and it would have allowed them to join the arms race, rather than be slaughtered by those that had been playing for over the year and half before it was official release.
The only difficult part would have been refunding those that spent aurum on SP boosters. Sure it would've irked those of us that played through beta, but I don't believe it would've caused us to quit. Not sure if it is possible but if they truly want to get new players a total reset maybe in order, but then it might just be a trade off of bitter vets for new players (may not be a bad thing).
Secondly the matchmaking as is, is still really poor. Just today, played a match with three squad mates (we were the only squad) we ended going against a full squad of AE and 2 or 3 redstar. I won;t even get mention Ambush matchmaking. It doesn't help when all of the top players ban together like MHPD and AE just slaughter everyone. If you ask me that is the biggest problem all the top players aren't interested in competition they just stat pad. |
Komodo Jones
Chaotik Serenity
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:52:00 -
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I've always liked the matchmaking that was involved with metal gear online, in that there was no matchmaking, people just made rooms and you could go and join whichever one you wanted, know what you were getting into, you could stay as long as you wanted and you didn't need to fight different people at the end of every match, giving players some control over who they fight might cut down on proto stomping a bit and give tough guys the challenge they want, people could go in as a team, would allow corp battles, and new guys would be able to fight other new guys and constantly try to 1 up each other, maybe learn more about the game without getting completely destroyed. Might also cut back on the surprise and the unpredictability of some matches and idk how they could work this in but I feel like something like that might help, as well as if they disincentivize high leveled players from kicking the asses of low leveled players because right now, win or lose, proto or militia, you generally get the same amount of money, salvage, sp, and alot of that stuff doesn't concerned the vets so why not buff their stats and go hard? |
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