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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.30 09:26:00 -
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Call me a geek, but **** me I do love the plot lines and plot twists of the Song of Fire and Ice.
So I wanna get the point going.
Who da faq is John Snow? After a **** ton of GoT board game playing and **** talking over plots and characters and ******* up our own claims to the Irons Throne the conversation always come back to the same question.
Who is he? Da hell is his mother? What do we think will happen to him besides being stabbed all of 6 or so times.
Theories anyone?
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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ThePrinceOfNigeria
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:21:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Call me a geek, but **** me I do love the plot lines and plot twists of the Song of Fire and Ice.
So I wanna get the point going.
Who da faq is John Snow? After a **** ton of GoT board game playing and **** talking over plots and characters and ******* up our own claims to the Irons Throne the conversation always come back to the same question.
Who is he? Da hell is his mother? What do we think will happen to him besides being stabbed all of 6 or so times.
Theories anyone?
He is the true heir to the iron throne by Prince Rhaegar Targaryen and Eddard's sister Lyanna.
Quote:Many readers believe that Jon is not the son of Eddard Stark. Instead, he is the son of Prince Rhaegar Targaryen and Eddard's sister Lyanna. Rhaegar and Lyanna disappeared together to the Tower of Joy early in Robert's Rebellion. There, it's believed, Rhaegar leaves a pregnant Lyanna to defend his family's dynasty. At the end of Robert's Rebellion, about one year later, Eddard and his companions find three of the Kingsguard at the Tower of Joy: Lord Commander Ser Gerold Hightower, Ser Oswell Whent, and Ser Arthur Dayne. The reasons for their presence and the ensuing fight are unknown, but defending the unborn son of the Heir Apparent would be a good reason to have been posted. The only known survivors of the fight were Eddard himself and Howland Reed. Eddard recalls his sister dying "in a bed of blood," where he made her an unknown promise just before she died. Also, while Robb, Sansa, Bran and Rickon are said to have Tully features (hair color, eyes), Jon and Arya are said to be closer in appearance (which had made Sansa believe Arya was also a bastard like Jon, until her mother put Sansa's theory down). Arya is said to resemble Lyanna. Further evidence to the truth of this theory in the eighth Eddard chapter of A Game of Thrones, in which Ned contemplates the significance of King Robert's bastards. As he muses, Ned's thoughts drift to Jon Snow, a logical segue, but also to his sister Lyanna, the promise he made her, and to Rhaegar Targaryen, implying some tacit link between the three individuals.[3] Daenerys Targaryen's visions in the House of the Undying include an image of Rhaegar with his newborn son Aegon, proclaiming that "there must be a third" because "the dragon has three heads". Given that, according to Jon Connington, Rhaegar's wife Elia was believed infertile after two difficult pregnancies, and that Aegon the Conqueror himself had two wives, it is logical for Rhaegar to have attempted to fulfill prophecy by having a third child with another woman. Another of the visions Daenerys sees is the image of a blue winter rose growing from a ***** in a wall of ice, filling the air with sweetness. Lyanna was noted by Ned to be fond of winter roses, and he associates them with her death. Jon, who could be the product of Lyanna, is currently at the Wall. If Rhaegar secretly married Lyanna, it would ironically mean that Jon is not a bastard despite his life having been defined by his believed bastard status to a great extent, and that he is the heir to the Iron Throne after Aegon VI Targaryen (although this last point is rendered moot so long as he belongs to the Night's Watch). With Eddard beheaded by King Joffrey, Howland Reed is the only living person who knows the nature of Lyanna's death and what she made her brother promise. PROOF |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.31 00:38:00 -
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ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote:True Adamance wrote:Call me a geek, but **** me I do love the plot lines and plot twists of the Song of Fire and Ice.
So I wanna get the point going.
Who da faq is John Snow? After a **** ton of GoT board game playing and **** talking over plots and characters and ******* up our own claims to the Irons Throne the conversation always come back to the same question.
Who is he? Da hell is his mother? What do we think will happen to him besides being stabbed all of 6 or so times.
Theories anyone? He is the true heir to the iron throne by Prince Rhaegar Targaryen and Eddard's sister Lyanna. Quote:Many readers believe that Jon is not the son of Eddard Stark. Instead, he is the son of Prince Rhaegar Targaryen and Eddard's sister Lyanna. Rhaegar and Lyanna disappeared together to the Tower of Joy early in Robert's Rebellion. There, it's believed, Rhaegar leaves a pregnant Lyanna to defend his family's dynasty. At the end of Robert's Rebellion, about one year later, Eddard and his companions find three of the Kingsguard at the Tower of Joy: Lord Commander Ser Gerold Hightower, Ser Oswell Whent, and Ser Arthur Dayne. The reasons for their presence and the ensuing fight are unknown, but defending the unborn son of the Heir Apparent would be a good reason to have been posted. The only known survivors of the fight were Eddard himself and Howland Reed. Eddard recalls his sister dying "in a bed of blood," where he made her an unknown promise just before she died. Also, while Robb, Sansa, Bran and Rickon are said to have Tully features (hair color, eyes), Jon and Arya are said to be closer in appearance (which had made Sansa believe Arya was also a bastard like Jon, until her mother put Sansa's theory down). Arya is said to resemble Lyanna. Further evidence to the truth of this theory in the eighth Eddard chapter of A Game of Thrones, in which Ned contemplates the significance of King Robert's bastards. As he muses, Ned's thoughts drift to Jon Snow, a logical segue, but also to his sister Lyanna, the promise he made her, and to Rhaegar Targaryen, implying some tacit link between the three individuals.[3] Daenerys Targaryen's visions in the House of the Undying include an image of Rhaegar with his newborn son Aegon, proclaiming that "there must be a third" because "the dragon has three heads". Given that, according to Jon Connington, Rhaegar's wife Elia was believed infertile after two difficult pregnancies, and that Aegon the Conqueror himself had two wives, it is logical for Rhaegar to have attempted to fulfill prophecy by having a third child with another woman. Another of the visions Daenerys sees is the image of a blue winter rose growing from a ***** in a wall of ice, filling the air with sweetness. Lyanna was noted by Ned to be fond of winter roses, and he associates them with her death. Jon, who could be the product of Lyanna, is currently at the Wall. If Rhaegar secretly married Lyanna, it would ironically mean that Jon is not a bastard despite his life having been defined by his believed bastard status to a great extent, and that he is the heir to the Iron Throne after Aegon VI Targaryen (although this last point is rendered moot so long as he belongs to the Night's Watch). With Eddard beheaded by King Joffrey, Howland Reed is the only living person who knows the nature of Lyanna's death and what she made her brother promise. PROOF Considered this one amongst other things though something always irked me along the lines of if John is the bastard of Rhaegar why is he able to be burnt? Is the non burning thing a product of the Targaryen incest or something else?
But this to me seems like the most plausible of theories. I have argued everything from Baratheon child to the Dornish royalty and back... more often than not we all come back to this as our default guess.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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ThePrinceOfNigeria
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.31 01:05:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: Considered this one amongst other things though something always irked me along the lines of if John is the bastard of Rhaegar why is he able to be burnt? Is the non burning thing a product of the Targaryen incest or something else?
But this to me seems like the most plausible of theories. I have argued everything from Baratheon child to the Dornish royalty and back... more often than not we all come back to this as our default guess.
I can understand your confusion about the fire thing as I used to be confused about it too. In summary Targaryen's are not immune to fire. Daenerys is a special case and her brother obviously wasn't immune to fire when that molten gold dropped on his head lmao!
Furthermore, George RR Martin has stated in a past chat, "Granny, thanks for asking that. It gives me a chance to clear up a common misconception. TARGARYENS ARE NOT IMMUNE TO FIRE! The birth of Dany's dragons was unique, magical, wonderous, a miracle. She is called The Unburnt because she walked into the flames and lived. But her brother sure as hell wasn't immune to that molten gold." Transcript to this chat can be found HERE.
My personal opinion is that the immunity to fire is born from a combination of her old Valyria blood being exceptionally strong and the magic of the dragons. Perhaps the blood magic that went on that night also added to the mix. It may also be in connection with being a modern Dragonlord.
In any case we will all find out eventually. Hopefully, before the author dies of old age. Took him half a decade to release the last book. I'm hoping he does better or the show will catch up and they will have to either stop or start making **** up which would be terrible. |
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