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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.10.30 07:58:00 -
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Hello guys
As some of you may know I am a strict plasma cannon user. I love it and think that it's one of the most balanced weapons in the game requiring skill to get to apply the damage but today.... Today skill wasn't enough. I landed shot after shot and the splash was barely registering. I literally hit a Caldari assault 4 times with splash and barely took down his shields. . That's 20 seconds in battle (Aprox 5 seconds in between shots); he was a horrible shot in a proto caldari assault with a duvolle. I knew I was doing damage because every time I hit him his health would drop just a little bit.
This makes me very sad because I got proficiency 5 today and wanted to see how I would melt my enemies in max 2 shots instead all I get is barely registered hits that cost me kills  . Anyway for those of you who don't know how much damage a plasma cannon does with splash I'll set up the math for you.
Allotek plasma cannon = 313 damage
Proficiency 5 = 15% extra damage
1 complex damage mod = 10% extra damage
Bonus damage to shield = 10% extra damage
Total bonus = 35% damage
Total weapon damage with bonuses: 313*1.35 = 422 damage to shields
5 hit with splash = 422*5 = 2,110 damage total
Maximum caldari assault Shields
Base shields with level 5 shield upgrades = 262.5
Shield extender with max cal ass skill and extension skill = 79.2
Total possible shields = (79.2*4)+262.5 = 579 shields total
It should have taken only 2 shots to get through his shields with my damage but instead I couldn't even get past his shield becuase of the lowered damage bug. This my friends just got on my nerves. I just wanted to share my frustration and I really hope CCP fixes this in 1.6 with their "general hit detection fixes"
For those of you who think I'm crazy and that I'm just a lousy shot as those Forum trolls tend to always say, here is the proof on a separate ocasion PROOF. The only reason I don't have this one recorded is because I factory restored My computer and was playing to pass the time while drivers updated and got everything configured  . I would have loved to submit the video to CCP like I did the one linked.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:04:00 -
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Man, I've had this exact problem with the MD for as long as I can remember using it. I thought it was my imagination, but I think you confirmed it's a thing. Hope the devs see this and figure it out. There's nothing worse than having a weapon with an already limited ammo capacity robbing you.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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General John Ripper
MoIden Heath PoIice Department
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:05:00 -
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I feel your pain
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
482
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:08:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:...robbing you.
HAHA describes exactly how I feel, hahahahah.
Plasma Cannon Advocate
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jenza aranda
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.10.30 09:55:00 -
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Really?
granted I havnt used the plasma cannon since fanfest. still ill forward this to CCP.
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JL3Eleven
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
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Posted - 2013.10.30 10:04:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:
Maximum caldari assault Shields
Base shields with level 5 shield upgrades = 262.5
Shield extender with max cal ass skill and extension skill = 79.2
Total possible shields = (79.2*4)+262.5 = 579 shields total
Just a heads up total possible shields on a Caldari Assault ck.0 is 582.
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
674
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Posted - 2013.10.30 12:51:00 -
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What are you saying, that CCP ninja nerfed the PC or that getting lvl 5 glitched the weapon?
Could it be variation in lag on your end or the other player's? |
Roofer Madness
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
455
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Posted - 2013.10.30 13:02:00 -
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This is absolutely, positively, the worst part about using this weapon. Countless times I've hit them. I know I've hit them. You can even see the little electric looking markers or whatever. But little to no damage.
Oh, and OP, if your splash damage maths was directed at me because of my horrible attempt the other day let me explain. I was calculating with 3 complex damage mods. And that was just for demonstrative purposes. I actually don't run any damage mods on my cannon. I prefer the slot for a complex sidearm damage mod for my SMG.
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Plasma Cannon FTW
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
484
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Posted - 2013.10.30 21:09:00 -
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Roofer Madness wrote:This is absolutely, positively, the worst part about using this weapon. Countless times I've hit them. I know I've hit them. You can even see the little electric looking markers or whatever. But little to no damage.
Oh, and OP, if your splash damage maths was directed at me because of my horrible attempt the other day let me explain. I was calculating with 3 complex damage mods. And that was just for demonstrative purposes. I actually don't run any damage mods on my cannon. I prefer the slot for a complex sidearm damage mod for my SMG.
I dont use a sidearm, im a logi.
Plasma Cannon Advocate
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MassiveNine
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
350
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Posted - 2013.10.30 21:11:00 -
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Man I had some PS cannon user last night kill me 5 times in a row. I was like WTF. I had only ever been killed by one once before so it was actually pretty cool to see it being used well. To whomever it was, I hate you, but I respect you. |
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
485
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Posted - 2013.10.30 21:19:00 -
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Omg today was frustrating as hell. It like beong punished. I was being protostomped and on top of that my plasma cannon was hitting for sh!t damage. Literally if you have 100 armor left and i hit you with 285 splash without counting my profi 5. You should die not lose 50 armor and be able to hose me with yor duvolle. I swear if o wasnt loyal to my weapons i would divorce the plasma cannon.
Plasma Cannon Advocate
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.10.30 21:35:00 -
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Because of the title i thought this was another post concerning AMARR BLUE DOTS....
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
513
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Posted - 2013.10.30 21:42:00 -
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Explosions do less damage at the edge of the explosion |
XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
486
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Posted - 2013.10.30 21:52:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Explosions do less damage at the edge of the explosion
Thats not in any of the patch notes. Anyways i ussually hit very close because i don't aim at the floor. I aim at the right or left foot so if i miss i still get splash damage in there. Aiming at the feet with the plasma cannon is like trying to get a headshot
Plasma Cannon Advocate
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.10.30 22:05:00 -
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I think there is something wrong with splash overall. I use fluxes more often and not and never get a hit register, no shields stripped, no equipment fried.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.10.30 22:08:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Explosions do less damage at the edge of the explosion Thats not in any of the patch notes. Anyways i ussually hit very close because i don't aim at the floor. I aim at the right or left foot so if i miss i still get splash damage in there. Aiming at the feet with the plasma cannon is like trying to get a headshot
Splash damage has always been a funny with Dust. From the 2-D issues where the slightest elevation could negate damage to the blatant desynch we experienced from Uprising 1.0-1.1, and the occasional issues now.
There was a topic a while back from a missile tanker that had a similar issue, relating it to the shotgun. It'd be interesting if the way everything is registered server side made all these issues related so they could be fixed in one felled swoop.
But anyway, I gotta give you credit Ghazbaran. I chuckled a little when you announce your passion for the PLC, but after watching your videos, you know how to make the thing shine. I've always made jokes that it came in pre-nerfed and advocated for some kind of buff. You really make it look easy to pop someone form 100m+.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Assert Dominance
MoIden Heath PoIice Department
EoN.
416
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Posted - 2013.10.30 22:23:00 -
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Some tips from a bitter vet.
1) numbers in this game are a lie, dont even look at them
2) lolplasmacannon
3) you sunk 770,000 sp for 3% more damage? Never go full ******
4) you honestly shouldve never trained past standard pc, 2nd grade level math proves its not worth it
5) got any donut holes?
Put glaze on that bun.
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GM Murasaki
Game Masters
C C P Alliance
125
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Posted - 2013.10.30 22:31:00 -
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Hi,
This thread has been transferred to Technical Support/Bugs section for being the most appropriate.
Thanks, |
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
486
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Posted - 2013.10.30 22:38:00 -
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Assert Dominance wrote:Some tips from a bitter vet.
1) numbers in this game are a lie, dont even look at them
2) lolplasmacannon
3) you sunk 770,000 sp for 3% more damage? Never go full r374rd
4) you honestly shouldve never trained past standard pc, 2nd grade level math proves its not worth it then you wouldnt understand. That extra 45 damage at proto tier is the difference between a kill or a death.
5) got any donut holes?
Sorry to say you are wrong. If you have never used a plasma cannon seriously for a week straight
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Garth Mandra
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
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Posted - 2013.10.31 01:30:00 -
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XxGhazbaranxX wrote:
Allotek plasma cannon = 313 damage
Proficiency 5 = 15% extra damage
1 complex damage mod = 10% extra damage
Bonus damage to shield = 10% extra damage
Total bonus = 35% damage
Total weapon damage with bonuses: 313*1.35 = 422 damage to shields
4 hit with splash = 422*4 = 1,688 damage total
Math is wrong. Not that it affects your argument in this case.
Total bonus = 1.15 * 1.1 * 1.1 = 1.39 = 39%
Total weapon damage with bonuses: 313*1.39 = 435 damage to shields
4 hit with splash = 422*4 = 1,740 damage total |
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2013.10.31 01:56:00 -
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Garth Mandra wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:
Allotek plasma cannon = 313 damage
Proficiency 5 = 15% extra damage
1 complex damage mod = 10% extra damage
Bonus damage to shield = 10% extra damage
Total bonus = 35% damage
Total weapon damage with bonuses: 313*1.35 = 422 damage to shields
4 hit with splash = 422*4 = 1,688 damage total
Math is wrong. Not that it affects your argument in this case. Total bonus = 1.15 * 1.1 * 1.1 = 1.39 = 39% Total weapon damage with bonuses: 313*1.39 = 435 damage to shields4 hit with splash = 422*4 = 1,740 damage total
I don't think it multiplies. I think it's summed to then figure out the damage value. So it would actually be 15%+10%+10% which would total 35... Uncles you can point me to where the math for this is thoroughly explained.
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RKKR
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
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Posted - 2014.01.25 18:05:00 -
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I'm bumping this.
Still seeing too much shots going through the enemy and direct hits giving kill assists on low-health suits. |
Ghermard-ol Dizeriois
Maphia Clan Corporation
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Posted - 2014.01.25 19:32:00 -
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Noob question: do both Proficiency and Damage Modifier apply to splash damage?
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