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Thor McStrut
Reckoners
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Posted - 2013.10.30 04:16:00 -
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Got a quick question for those in the know, maybe even CCP.
How does the accuracy rating affect the dispersion of a full auto weapon?
I noticed the Adv HMG has an accuracy rating of 61.5, while a GEK is 53.xx, all the way up to Pro and Officer ARs.
Please enlighten me!  |
calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
810
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Posted - 2013.10.30 04:19:00 -
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Its all lies. The HMG has to be within 10M to have all bullets hit, the AR does not. The stats are all lies and CCP knows this.
Do not eat the yellow snow
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Thor McStrut
Reckoners
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Posted - 2013.10.30 04:38:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Its all lies. The HMG has to be within 10M to have all bullets hit, the AR does not. The stats are all lies and CCP knows this.
Is 10m the optimal for the HMG?
So, within 10m, the HMG is supposedly more accurate, but the AR has better optimal so accuracy is better outside HMG optimal? |
Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
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Posted - 2013.10.30 04:52:00 -
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Thor McStrut wrote:
Is 10m the optimal for the HMG?
So, within 10m, the HMG is supposedly more accurate, but the AR has better optimal so accuracy is better outside HMG optimal?
30m is the optimal for HMG. The problem? It does crap damage at 30m because of dispersion. To do full damage, you need to have your target fill the entire aiming reticule, which is roughly inside 10m.
I feel your pain about the stats though. I've tried to make mathematical sense out of the accuracy stat multiple times. For all I can tell, it's a random number that CCP pulls out of their color and slaps on the item page. I can't find any relation to in-game performance at all.
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Himiko Kuronaga
MoIden Heath PoIice Department
EoN.
2067
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Posted - 2013.10.30 04:59:00 -
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A stream of fire with pinpoint precision and UNMATCHED KILLING POTENTIAL.
Thats what the description tells us.... yea right.
Pinpoint my ass. You would be lucky to get all of those shots through a hockey goal, let alone a basketball hoop. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.10.30 05:05:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:A stream of fire with pinpoint precision and UNMATCHED KILLING POTENTIAL.
Thats what the description tells us.... yea right.
Pinpoint my ass. You would be lucky to get all of those shots through a hockey goal, let alone a basketball hoop.
Turned a corner and a map once and came toe to toe with a heavy. I jumped back a couple of times while he was unloading and quickly took him out with my toxin SMG. This was me in M-1 logistics suit with 400 HP.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
857
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Posted - 2013.10.30 05:09:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:A stream of fire with pinpoint precision and UNMATCHED KILLING POTENTIAL.
Thats what the description tells us.... yea right.
Pinpoint my ass. You would be lucky to get all of those shots through a hockey goal, let alone a basketball hoop. Turned a corner and a map once and came toe to toe with a heavy. I jumped back a couple of times while he was unloading and quickly took him out with my toxin SMG. This was me in M-1 logistics suit with 400 HP.
I was doing this just until recently. Now I have a scanner, I usually see them first. Cook a grenade, dash forward, throw at face, unload mag. Almost never fails. |
Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
857
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Posted - 2013.10.30 05:11:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Its all lies. The HMG has to be within 10M to have all bullets hit, the AR does not. The stats are all lies and CCP knows this.
This is similar to how the new Rail Gun does an extra .05 damage per bullet over a nice, whole number. CCP knows that this .05 damage per bullet will probably never get anyone a single extra kill. However, it fools players into thinking that CCP is carefully balancing every number, down to the hundreth.  |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
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Posted - 2013.10.30 05:18:00 -
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It wouldn't surprise me if the accuracy had no significant bearing on shot detection in comparison to dispersion.
calvin b wrote:Its all lies. The HMG has to be within 10M to have all bullets hit, the AR does not. The stats are all lies and CCP knows this.
HOW DARE YOU BRING OBSERVED GAME EXPERIENCE TO HYPOTHETICAL CONJUNCTURE OVER SQUISHY AND HARD TO DEFINE ELEMENTS.
There is no room in these forums for truth-sayers.
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Jadu Wen
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2013.10.30 13:22:00 -
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Remember crouching improves the HMG with a night and day difference in accuracy. The problem is you're going to be a big fat sitting duck in that position. Risk vs. Reward.
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Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.10.30 13:39:00 -
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Its not even as accurate as a blackpowder flintlock rifle. At least it dont take as long to reload.... Wait.  |
Jadu Wen
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2013.10.30 14:04:00 -
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Powerh8er wrote:Its not even as accurate as a blackpowder flintlock rifle. At least it dont take as long to reload.... Wait.
Let me take some time to do my taxes............done. Now, just a few more seconds left on that reload.
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
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Posted - 2013.10.30 14:47:00 -
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HMG and Shotgun are the only weapons with widely dispersed shots and no Sharpshooter Skill to control it.
There are no Skill modifiers that significantly address the HMG's most significant flaws - Reload, Heat Buildup, and Dispersion. Between the Sentinel bonus and Level 5 Reload Skill currently in place, you can spend ~4mil SP just to get your reload speed down to ~5 seconds. **** that ****.
Reload needs to be cut by at least 25%, maybe even 50%.
Sentinel Bonus should affect Heat Buildup.
Implement Sharpshooter.
Or, would that be too awesome?
Steve Guttenberg Lives!
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mikegunnz
The Solecism of Limitation
647
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Posted - 2013.10.30 14:55:00 -
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Yeah, HMG could probably use some love. Particularly the assault variant. Regular HMG would be ok as a shorter range weapon if the assault could be used more for mid-long combat. As it stands right now, the assault variant gives you a shot at fighting in the 35-50m range, but there is too much dispersion for it to compete against ARs. Keep regular HMG dispersion, but make the assault more precise. (on paper the range on the assault is ok, it's just that the dispersion kills it) |
Himiko Kuronaga
MoIden Heath PoIice Department
EoN.
2072
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Posted - 2013.10.30 21:43:00 -
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Jadu Wen wrote:Remember crouching improves the HMG with a night and day difference in accuracy. The problem is you're going to be a big fat sitting duck in that position. Risk vs. Reward.
Except that the reward is still worse than what an AR is getting, and the risk is infinitely greater. |
Thor McStrut
Reckoners
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Posted - 2013.10.30 23:51:00 -
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Has there been any blue tags speaking on this topic? Can anyone at CCP please explain the purpose of showing us a useless stat, when you show so few of them, in the info tab?
I don't understand the silence on topics such as these. It must be like in Eve, where no one really knows or understands the answer, and the community is left to figure it out on their own. Another reason why we need a connection to Sisi through the Dust client.
Give us an environment were we, the community, can gather and publish the relevant stats that we so desperately need to be informed soldiers!  |
Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
871
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Posted - 2013.10.31 11:27:00 -
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Thor McStrut wrote:Has there been any blue tags speaking on this topic? Can anyone at CCP please explain the purpose of showing us a useless stat, when you show so few of them, in the info tab? I don't understand the silence on topics such as these. It must be like in Eve, where no one really knows or understands the answer, and the community is left to figure it out on their own. Another reason why we need a connection to Sisi through the Dust client. Give us an environment were we, the community, can gather and publish the relevant stats that we so desperately need to be informed soldiers!
It's like BLOPS 2, where the guy in charge of player PR and balance tells everyone the Grip attachment "definitely" has a "noticeable" effect when in reality the benefit is so marginal that it essentially does nothing at all and was almost impossible to detect through testing. It's classic. Just give the player a sugar pill for all their problems. Here, want accuracy? Here's some random number that's made to look like it's come straight out of the game's code. |
Himiko Kuronaga
MoIden Heath PoIice Department
EoN.
2077
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Posted - 2013.10.31 11:28:00 -
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Thor McStrut wrote:Has there been any blue tags speaking on this topic? Can anyone at CCP please explain the purpose of showing us a useless stat, when you show so few of them, in the info tab? I don't understand the silence on topics such as these. It must be like in Eve, where no one really knows or understands the answer, and the community is left to figure it out on their own. Another reason why we need a connection to Sisi through the Dust client. Give us an environment were we, the community, can gather and publish the relevant stats that we so desperately need to be informed soldiers!
Well Rat has made a few comments, but he isn't part of weapon design so he can't really do much besides prod Wolfman and say "Yo, this weapon sucks." |
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