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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
2029
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Posted - 2013.10.28 12:29:00 -
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This is been annoying me for sometime... so i just going to say it....
Is CCP overdone it with the Scrub thing ? Example ;
- Forge Gun kills anything with one shoot, but we also have a Plasma Cannon that does almost the same thing. - Grenades instantly kills anything that touches, but we also have a Mass Driver that does almost the same thing. - Tanks that are practically HUGE Dropsuits with SUPER OP weapons.
We also have ;
- Active Scanner ( Wallhack ) - Aim-assist ( Aimbot ) - Mouse Emulator to stop vet players from being to "good". - Super fast Strafing to stop people from tracking targets accurately without the aim-assist.
Coming soon ;
- Complete nerf of AV weapons, so tanks are just a click and kill feature - Nerf of AR range, so Scrub weapons are even more effective.
I call all of that an Overkill ....You never going to have Competitive Players in your game like this CCP, only Scrubs.
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
1281
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Posted - 2013.10.28 12:55:00 -
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Well I don't agree with most of your points but i do agree on the most important one. This game is set up for scrubs.
Myself and many of the good players more or less only die to EZ-mode deaths, in pub games at least. We're talking nade spam, MD spam, Forgesniping, REs and even LAV roadkills. One thing is to die to a better player, or indeed after I've over extended myself and I'm suddenly alone in a blob of reddots, another thing is to die from some scrub player sitting hundres of meters on top of a building, practically unreachable. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
758
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Posted - 2013.10.28 12:57:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Well I don't agree with most of your points but i do agree on the most important one. This game is set up for scrubs.
Myself and many of the good players more or less only die to EZ-mode deaths, in pub games at least. We're talking nade spam, MD spam, Forgesniping, REs and even LAV roadkills. One thing is to die to a better player, or indeed after I've over extended myself and I'm suddenly alone in a blob of reddots, another thing is to die from some scrub player sitting hundres of meters on top of a building, practically unreachable.
Couldnt have said it better myself. |
Roofer Madness
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
405
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Posted - 2013.10.28 12:59:00 -
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You lost me when you compared the Plasma Cannon to the Forge Gun. If both of those weapons give you the same amount of trouble on the battlefield you got problems yo. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
2029
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:02:00 -
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Roofer Madness wrote:You lost me when you compared the Plasma Cannon to the Forge Gun. If both of those weapons give you the same amount of trouble on the battlefield you got problems yo.
I don't even aim with the Plasma Cannon ... i just shoot at the FLOOR near someone and i kill them... I call that a Scrub Weapon. |
Roofer Madness
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
405
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:05:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Roofer Madness wrote:You lost me when you compared the Plasma Cannon to the Forge Gun. If both of those weapons give you the same amount of trouble on the battlefield you got problems yo. I don't even aim with the Plasma Cannon ... i just shoot at the FLOOR near someone and i kill them... I call that a Scrub Weapon.
Sorry. I guess this is a stealth AR514 thread. Carry on. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
2029
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:07:00 -
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Roofer Madness wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Roofer Madness wrote:You lost me when you compared the Plasma Cannon to the Forge Gun. If both of those weapons give you the same amount of trouble on the battlefield you got problems yo. I don't even aim with the Plasma Cannon ... i just shoot at the FLOOR near someone and i kill them... I call that a Scrub Weapon. Sorry. I guess this is a stealth AR514 thread. Carry on.
No mate.. this is a FACT, i actually aim at the floor when i use the Plasma Cannon... and i don't even aim when i use the Mass Driver, i just spam the full area with Explosives. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
2259
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:10:00 -
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I agree with some of the stuff you say but AR ranges are pretty much being left alone, hell the optimal is being extended by two meters |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
2029
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:16:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:I agree with some of the stuff you say but AR ranges are pretty much being left alone, hell the optimal is being extended by two meters
They removing the fall off damage of the AR, and adding an Effective range instead ... i call that a NERF. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
1060
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:18:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Well I don't agree with most of your points but i do agree on the most important one. This game is set up for scrubs.
Myself and many of the good players more or less only die to EZ-mode deaths, in pub games at least. We're talking nade spam, MD spam, Forgesniping, REs and even LAV roadkills. One thing is to die to a better player, or indeed after I've over extended myself and I'm suddenly alone in a blob of reddots, another thing is to die from some scrub player sitting hundres of meters on top of a building, practically unreachable.
You just described PC minus the lag lol |
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Your Absolut End
Neanderthal Nation Public Disorder.
200
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:24:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:This is been annoying me for sometime... so i just going to say it....
Is CCP overdone it with the Scrub thing ? Example ;
- Forge Gun kills anything with one shoot, but we also have a Plasma Cannon that does almost the same thing. - Grenades instantly kills anything that touches, but we also have a Mass Driver that does almost the same thing. - Tanks that are practically HUGE Dropsuits with SUPER OP weapons.
We also have ;
- Active Scanner ( Wallhack ) - Aim-assist ( Aimbot ) - Mouse Emulator to stop vet players from being to "good". - Super fast Strafing to stop people from tracking targets accurately without the aim-assist.
Coming soon ;
- Complete nerf of AV weapons, so tanks are just a click and kill feature - Nerf of AR range, so Scrub weapons are even more effective.
I call all of that an Overkill ....You never going to have Competitive Players in your game like this CCP, only Scrubs.
Lol, can I print that and frame that? Ar nerf is just gonna finally push the game away from Ar514. I dont know if you knew but the ar is since it is in this game a placeholder, before it did the job for 4(!) other weapons, with the release of the scr its now a placeholder for 3 weapons in total(ar itslef,rr and cr).
Ccp mentioned this a couple of times. So the so called "nerf" is just going to put the weapon where it was intended to be since day 1.
One more lol for that sentence because one is not enough for that kind of a statement.
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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
2029
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:31:00 -
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Your Absolut End wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:This is been annoying me for sometime... so i just going to say it....
Is CCP overdone it with the Scrub thing ? Example ;
- Forge Gun kills anything with one shoot, but we also have a Plasma Cannon that does almost the same thing. - Grenades instantly kills anything that touches, but we also have a Mass Driver that does almost the same thing. - Tanks that are practically HUGE Dropsuits with SUPER OP weapons.
We also have ;
- Active Scanner ( Wallhack ) - Aim-assist ( Aimbot ) - Mouse Emulator to stop vet players from being to "good". - Super fast Strafing to stop people from tracking targets accurately without the aim-assist.
Coming soon ;
- Complete nerf of AV weapons, so tanks are just a click and kill feature - Nerf of AR range, so Scrub weapons are even more effective.
I call all of that an Overkill ....You never going to have Competitive Players in your game like this CCP, only Scrubs.
Lol, can I print that and frame that? Ar nerf is just gonna finally push the game away from Ar514. I dont know if you knew but the ar is since it is in this game a placeholder, before it did the job for 4(!) other weapons, with the release of the scr its now a placeholder for 3 weapons in total(ar itslef,rr and cr). Ccp mentioned this a couple of times. So the so called "nerf" is just going to put the weapon where it was intended to be since day 1. One more lol for that sentence because one is not enough for that kind of a statement.
It just going to push Dust 514 away from a FPS game.....
You realize that when you dream comes true, all battles are going to be decided by who can spam the most Explosives, and who have the Biggest tanks...?
Gun play is going to be absolute... and aiming is going to be a waste of time. |
trraacx
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:32:00 -
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I wish there were more stats available in this game but I would hazard a guess that no scrub is going 20-0 with forge guns, plasma cannons, or mass drivers.
It must be really inconvenient for the all powerfult to have to respawn a couple of times a game.
Seriously, if these weapons were a problem, you'd be using them instead of complaining about them. |
Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
848
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:36:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Well I don't agree with most of your points but i do agree on the most important one. This game is set up for scrubs.
Myself and many of the good players more or less only die to EZ-mode deaths, in pub games at least. We're talking nade spam, MD spam, Forgesniping, REs and even LAV roadkills. One thing is to die to a better player, or indeed after I've over extended myself and I'm suddenly alone in a blob of reddots, another thing is to die from some scrub player sitting hundres of meters on top of a building, practically unreachable.
These are half my deaths. Nothing like militia Forge Guns one shotting you, then dieing to some Thale on a tower, spawning into a pair of spawn campers and then dieing to a Core Locus grenade doing your full health in damage over almost 7m. To top it off, a LAV smacks you to death that wasn't there five seconds ago when you tried to cross that empty field to get to the next terminal.
Not that I'm good. Half my deaths are legitimate. |
Roofer Madness
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
406
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:37:00 -
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trraacx wrote:I wish there were more stats available in this game but I would hazard a guess that no scrub is going 20-0 with forge guns, plasma cannons, or mass drivers.
It must be really inconvenient for the all powerfult to have to respawn a couple of times a game.
Seriously, if these weapons were a problem, you'd be using them instead of complaining about them.
But apparantly the OP is a scrub who uses these weapons since he knows so damn much about them.
Quote:i actually aim at the floor when i use the Plasma Cannon... and i don't even aim when i use the Mass Driver, i just spam the full area with Explosives.
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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
2029
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:39:00 -
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Roofer Madness wrote:trraacx wrote:I wish there were more stats available in this game but I would hazard a guess that no scrub is going 20-0 with forge guns, plasma cannons, or mass drivers.
It must be really inconvenient for the all powerfult to have to respawn a couple of times a game.
Seriously, if these weapons were a problem, you'd be using them instead of complaining about them. But apparantly the OP is a scrub who uses these weapons since he knows so damn much about them. Quote:i actually aim at the floor when i use the Plasma Cannon... and i don't even aim when i use the Mass Driver, i just spam the full area with Explosives.
I use this weapons because the Mouse have been **** and nerfed by scrubs like you.... |
Knight Soiaire
Mercenaries of Sunlight
2824
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:39:00 -
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REs aren't for scrubs.
Only people that are scrubs are the over confident Caldari that fall for my obvious traps.
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
1651
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:40:00 -
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So I'm guessing if it ain't an AR or an equal of it it's a 'scrub' weapon
Diffrent players play diffrent ways, don't like it go somewhere else, get over it. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
2029
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:42:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:So I'm guessing if it ain't an AR or an equal of it it's a 'scrub' weapon Diffrent players play diffrent ways, don't like it go somewhere else, get over it.
You have to actually aim with the AR... ideally to the head... you don't kill many people with the AR if you shoot at the floor. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
7272
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:45:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:So I'm guessing if it ain't an AR or an equal of it it's a 'scrub' weapon Diffrent players play diffrent ways, don't like it go somewhere else, get over it. You have to actually aim with the AR... ideally to the head... you don't kill many people with the AR if you shoot at the floor. But everyone knows the AR is scrub lord 514 now with aim bot.
HMG or go home you skill-less noobs.
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Roofer Madness
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
406
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:46:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:So I'm guessing if it ain't an AR or an equal of it it's a 'scrub' weapon Diffrent players play diffrent ways, don't like it go somewhere else, get over it. You have to actually aim with the AR... ideally to the head... you don't kill many people with the AR if you shoot at the floor.
So then why is the "aimbot" in your OP? How is that aiming if the game aims for you? |
Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
848
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:46:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:So I'm guessing if it ain't an AR or an equal of it it's a 'scrub' weapon Diffrent players play diffrent ways, don't like it go somewhere else, get over it.
Unavoidable OHKOs that negate the other player's skill are annoying weapons. How do you avoid Thales? Only fight indoors? Zig zag around outside constantly when no one is around, hoping they miss? Same for forges, I guess. I'm guessing when you've got an SMG and a LAV comes around the corner straight at you, you magically increase your sprint speed by 100% to get out of the way. ._. |
Knight Soiaire
Mercenaries of Sunlight
2824
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:47:00 -
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Borne Velvalor wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:So I'm guessing if it ain't an AR or an equal of it it's a 'scrub' weapon Diffrent players play diffrent ways, don't like it go somewhere else, get over it. Unavoidable OHKOs that negate the other player's skill are annoying weapons. How do you avoid Thales? Only fight indoors? Zig zag around outside constantly when no one is around, hoping they miss? Same for forges, I guess. I'm guessing when you've got an SMG and a LAV comes around the corner straight at you, you magically increase your sprint speed by 100% to get out of the way. ._.
I have been insta-killed by a LAV since the nerf, and I'm a Scout, so thats really saying something! |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
2029
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:47:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:So I'm guessing if it ain't an AR or an equal of it it's a 'scrub' weapon Diffrent players play diffrent ways, don't like it go somewhere else, get over it. You have to actually aim with the AR... ideally to the head... you don't kill many people with the AR if you shoot at the floor. But everyone knows the AR is scrub lord 514 now with aim bot. HMG or go home you skill-less noobs.
Well.. at least with the HMG you actually have to aim too, so i give you that one... By the way... the aim-assist also works with the HMG |
Roofer Madness
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
406
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:48:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Roofer Madness wrote:trraacx wrote:I wish there were more stats available in this game but I would hazard a guess that no scrub is going 20-0 with forge guns, plasma cannons, or mass drivers.
It must be really inconvenient for the all powerfult to have to respawn a couple of times a game.
Seriously, if these weapons were a problem, you'd be using them instead of complaining about them. But apparantly the OP is a scrub who uses these weapons since he knows so damn much about them. Quote:i actually aim at the floor when i use the Plasma Cannon... and i don't even aim when i use the Mass Driver, i just spam the full area with Explosives. I use this weapons because the Mouse have been **** and nerfed by scrubs like you....
Not sure what I had to do with the Mouse getting nerfed but I loled at that. I am a Plasma Cannon user all the way.
PS - kb/m shouldn't even be in this game. But that's an entirely different topic. |
Unmei no Hoeru
Grupo de Asalto Chacal RISE of LEGION
52
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:49:00 -
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Although I agree with you, these things are a normal in any FPS, if you remove everything you just said it-Śll be like returning to Uprising 1.0 where nobody kill anyone unless it was shoot by 3 people and matches ended by time more than kills. The basic formula is disruptive equipment and position more than overall ability.
And btw everybody talks about the AV nerf but don't observe the changes to tanks which are more problematic to fittings and role, I'm not saying Dust is an overall balanced game I just say that this kind of thing are a standard in any FPS cause well... makes it more fun and variable. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
7273
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:49:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:So I'm guessing if it ain't an AR or an equal of it it's a 'scrub' weapon Diffrent players play diffrent ways, don't like it go somewhere else, get over it. You have to actually aim with the AR... ideally to the head... you don't kill many people with the AR if you shoot at the floor. But everyone knows the AR is scrub lord 514 now with aim bot. HMG or go home you skill-less noobs. Well.. at least with the HMG you actually have to aim too, so i give you that one... By the way... the aim-assist also works with the HMG I haven't noticed too much, for some reason I have a ***** aiming that thing, seems way too sensitive. I actually hate all infantry play and pray for one more respec so I can go back into glorious vehicles, but only time will tell.
Amusingly you didn't include OBs in your OP, basically THE noob cannon. |
Flix Keptick
Red Star. EoN.
842
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:50:00 -
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Plasma cannon is overkill? What game are you playing? |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
2029
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Posted - 2013.10.28 13:52:00 -
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Roofer Madness wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Roofer Madness wrote:trraacx wrote:I wish there were more stats available in this game but I would hazard a guess that no scrub is going 20-0 with forge guns, plasma cannons, or mass drivers.
It must be really inconvenient for the all powerfult to have to respawn a couple of times a game.
Seriously, if these weapons were a problem, you'd be using them instead of complaining about them. But apparantly the OP is a scrub who uses these weapons since he knows so damn much about them. Quote:i actually aim at the floor when i use the Plasma Cannon... and i don't even aim when i use the Mass Driver, i just spam the full area with Explosives. I use this weapons because the Mouse have been **** and nerfed by scrubs like you.... Not sure what I had to do with the Mouse getting nerfed but I loled at that. I am a Plasma Cannon user all the way. PS - kb/m shouldn't even be in this game. But that's an entirely different topic.
I can't track people with the mouse.. so i just blow them to little pieces with Explosive weapons... it have everything to do with it. |
Roofer Madness
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
407
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:03:00 -
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Quote:I can't track people with the mouse.. so i just blow them to little pieces with Explosive weapons... it have everything to do with it.
Hmmm, that's weird because there are a lot of guys in my corp that can absolutely wreck face with kb/m. One of them had a 60+ kill the other day. It seems like, even though you may not want to admit it, these explosive weapons you're complaining about were designed for players just like you (the ones that can't aim).
I use the Plasma Cannon because the AR is ******* boring. And I'm pretty sure that's why a lot of players switch up their play style. To try and add a bit more replay value to this game because at this point it is getting stale. I've said it before. We are playing a space age shooter. Give me some CRAZY weapons. The fact they even have something called an Assault Rifle in this game is ******* ********. |
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