DUST Search - shield weight vs armor weight

Mortedeamor wrote:

Godin Thekiller wrote:

Mortedeamor wrote:

Godin Thekiller wrote:

1: Has played EVE, so I can't elaborate

2: Read #1

3: It isn't heavier, it sucks up power to give to the shields instead of the speed. That's why Winmatar doesn't have as strong shields, but is faster.

4: Yup, because as I said before, making the Caldari fast and have good shields would make WInmatar UP. Caldari is slow, but with good shields,WInmatar is fast with medium shields.

but the caldari's power from what ive ben told lies in long range bonbardments? right..what good is that when gallente can fitt the exact same turrets have more speed and ehp?

and that wont be changing caldari will still be the toilet paper of new eden

Well then, wouldn't that be a problem with the fitting requirements then?

yes its a problem with the fitting of caldari turrets to gallente tanks to remove the only advantage caldaqri havs have over gallente tanks...if the only advantage caldari havs have over gallente is the range of thier bombardment ..gallente havs should be confined to short range turrets only..

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Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 542	Posted - 2013.10.28 10:34:00 - [1] - Quote does anyone who never played eve think shields should slow you down more than armor? does it makes sense to non eve players that armor tanks are faster than shield tanks and armor impedes you less than shields? does lore saying that the shield generator is heavier than the armor plates satisfy you in your curiosity? does anyone think its relevant how you use the caldari and what turrets you fit to it because the gallente havs can fit all the same **** be faster and have more ehp?
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1421	Posted - 2013.10.28 10:37:00 - [2] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: does anyone who never played eve think shields should slow you down more than armor? does it makes sense to non eve players that armor tanks are faster than shield tanks and armor impedes you less than shields? does lore saying that the shield generator is heavier than the armor plates satisfy you in your curiosity? does anyone think its relevant how you use the caldari and what turrets you fit to it because the gallente havs can fit all the same **** be faster and have more ehp? First tanks are broke. Second why would a shield slow you down? Thirdly..ee there is no lore that says a shield generator weighs more... Everything explained
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1310	Posted - 2013.10.28 10:39:00 - [3] - Quote 1: Has played EVE, so I can't elaborate 2: Read #1 3: It isn't heavier, it sucks up power to give to the shields instead of the speed. That's why Winmatar doesn't have as strong shields, but is faster. 4: Yup, because as I said before, making the Caldari fast and have good shields would make WInmatar UP. Caldari is slow, but with good shields,WInmatar is fast with medium shields.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1310	Posted - 2013.10.28 10:41:00 - [4] - Quote Also, with the changes, it'll be just that, so it won't matter.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 542	Posted - 2013.10.28 10:41:00 - [5] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: does anyone who never played eve think shields should slow you down more than armor? does it makes sense to non eve players that armor tanks are faster than shield tanks and armor impedes you less than shields? does lore saying that the shield generator is heavier than the armor plates satisfy you in your curiosity? does anyone think its relevant how you use the caldari and what turrets you fit to it because the gallente havs can fit all the same **** be faster and have more ehp? First tanks are broke. Second why would a shield slow you down? Thirdly..ee there is no lore that says a shield generator weighs more... Everything explained take charybdis no speed modules in either case extend shield beyond 3 k ..keep one at base go test the speed aqnd weight and come back and argue with me
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 542	Posted - 2013.10.28 10:43:00 - [6] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: 1: Has played EVE, so I can't elaborate 2: Read #1 3: It isn't heavier, it sucks up power to give to the shields instead of the speed. That's why Winmatar doesn't have as strong shields, but is faster. 4: Yup, because as I said before, making the Caldari fast and have good shields would make WInmatar UP. Caldari is slow, but with good shields,WInmatar is fast with medium shields. but the caldari's power from what ive ben told lies in long range bonbardments? right..what good is that when gallente can fitt the exact same turrets have more speed and ehp? and that wont be changing caldari will still be the toilet paper of new eden
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 542	Posted - 2013.10.28 10:44:00 - [7] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: does anyone who never played eve think shields should slow you down more than armor? does it makes sense to non eve players that armor tanks are faster than shield tanks and armor impedes you less than shields? does lore saying that the shield generator is heavier than the armor plates satisfy you in your curiosity? does anyone think its relevant how you use the caldari and what turrets you fit to it because the gallente havs can fit all the same **** be faster and have more ehp? First tanks are broke. Second why would a shield slow you down? Thirdly..ee there is no lore that says a shield generator weighs more... Everything explained lols freaking love that picture though
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1310	Posted - 2013.10.28 10:46:00 - [8] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: 1: Has played EVE, so I can't elaborate 2: Read #1 3: It isn't heavier, it sucks up power to give to the shields instead of the speed. That's why Winmatar doesn't have as strong shields, but is faster. 4: Yup, because as I said before, making the Caldari fast and have good shields would make WInmatar UP. Caldari is slow, but with good shields,WInmatar is fast with medium shields. but the caldari's power from what ive ben told lies in long range bonbardments? right..what good is that when gallente can fitt the exact same turrets have more speed and ehp? and that wont be changing caldari will still be the toilet paper of new eden Well then, wouldn't that be a problem with the fitting requirements then?
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 542	Posted - 2013.10.28 10:47:00 - [9] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: does anyone who never played eve think shields should slow you down more than armor? does it makes sense to non eve players that armor tanks are faster than shield tanks and armor impedes you less than shields? does lore saying that the shield generator is heavier than the armor plates satisfy you in your curiosity? does anyone think its relevant how you use the caldari and what turrets you fit to it because the gallente havs can fit all the same ** be faster and have more ehp? First tanks are broke. Second why would a shield slow you down? Thirdly..ee there is no lore that says a shield generator weighs more... Everything explained take charybdis no speed modules in either case extend shield beyond 3 k ..keep one at base go test the speed aqnd weight and come back and argue with me tanks are broken yes and i argue for the sake of arguing because when i fit shield extenders and watch my ** get slower because of an unstated power conversion..(slower than armor plates being fitted to a maddy) ..check it out for yourself chrome..ccp if there is a speed penalty on shield extenders it should be stated ... exspecially when it is more effective than armor speed penalties
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1421	Posted - 2013.10.28 10:47:00 - [10] - Quote I do play eve... Tanks are broke and are getting... changed. In past builds, shiled tanks were faster (a lot) Tanks are broke... that includes your charybdis Considering there is no information on power supplies... all kinda irrelevant...

Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 542	Posted - 2013.10.28 10:49:00 - [11] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: 1: Has played EVE, so I can't elaborate 2: Read #1 3: It isn't heavier, it sucks up power to give to the shields instead of the speed. That's why Winmatar doesn't have as strong shields, but is faster. 4: Yup, because as I said before, making the Caldari fast and have good shields would make WInmatar UP. Caldari is slow, but with good shields,WInmatar is fast with medium shields. but the caldari's power from what ive ben told lies in long range bonbardments? right..what good is that when gallente can fitt the exact same turrets have more speed and ehp? and that wont be changing caldari will still be the toilet paper of new eden Well then, wouldn't that be a problem with the fitting requirements then? yes its a problem with the fitting of caldari turrets to gallente tanks to remove the only advantage caldaqri havs have over gallente tanks...if the only advantage caldari havs have over gallente is the range of thier bombardment ..gallente havs should be confined to short range turrets only..
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 542	Posted - 2013.10.28 10:49:00 - [12] - Quote shields having weight just irritates me..if the only benefit caldari have is long range bombardment rail guns and missiles need to make gallente havs invalid
Cosgar ParagonX 6720	Posted - 2013.10.28 10:50:00 - [13] - Quote In EVE, shields increase your ship's signature, making it easier to hit. I wouldn't add a penalty like that to Dust since it would be broken to tamper with hit boxes, but adding a shield recharge delay penalty would work since so many shield tankers are hybrid tanking. Of course regulators would need a buff out of this. Edit: Just realized you were talking about tanks... the same could work under the new vehicle format if they made passive shield tanking a thing.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 542	Posted - 2013.10.28 10:51:00 - [14] - Quote Cosgar wrote: In EVE, shields increase your ship's signature, making it easier to hit. I wouldn't add a penalty like that to Dust since it would be broken to tamper with hit boxes, but adding a shield recharge delay penalty would work since so many shield tankers are hybrid tanking. Of course regulators would need a buff out of this. shields already have a speed penalty thats my point speed reduction for fitting shield extender exists how am i the only one upset about this...granted the diff is only extremely noticeable on the charybdis but still damn
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1313	Posted - 2013.10.28 19:42:00 - [15] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: 1: Has played EVE, so I can't elaborate 2: Read #1 3: It isn't heavier, it sucks up power to give to the shields instead of the speed. That's why Winmatar doesn't have as strong shields, but is faster. 4: Yup, because as I said before, making the Caldari fast and have good shields would make WInmatar UP. Caldari is slow, but with good shields,WInmatar is fast with medium shields. but the caldari's power from what ive ben told lies in long range bonbardments? right..what good is that when gallente can fitt the exact same turrets have more speed and ehp? and that wont be changing caldari will still be the toilet paper of new eden Well then, wouldn't that be a problem with the fitting requirements then? yes its a problem with the fitting of caldari turrets to gallente tanks to remove the only advantage caldaqri havs have over gallente tanks...if the only advantage caldari havs have over gallente is the range of thier bombardment ..gallente havs should be confined to short range turrets only.. No they should not, they should just be more restricted with fitting them. It would be ****** up to not let someone use their own tech, which is rails, as Gallente made rail tech. Caldari just perfected it. That's why they are in the middle of the fitting spectrum.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1313	Posted - 2013.10.28 19:44:00 - [16] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: shields having weight just irritates me..if the only benefit caldari have is long range bombardment rail guns and missiles need to make gallente havs invalid shields don't have weight. They suck up more power from the cap. Everything on that HAV of yours runs off of that cap. Caldari gives less cap to speed and more towards the shields. Why don't you get that?
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1313	Posted - 2013.10.28 19:48:00 - [17] - Quote The only change I can see happening is a swap of the damage reduction values of the hardeners, as those are backwards imo. Shield hardeners are always stronger, but armor hardeners last longer, and is able to turn on faster.
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 1346	Posted - 2013.10.28 19:49:00 - [18] - Quote it's caldari that are slow; not shields.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 544	Posted - 2013.10.28 19:51:00 - [19] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: it's caldari that are slow; not shields. but shields themselves have speed penalties in dust
Cosgar ParagonX 6733	Posted - 2013.10.28 19:52:00 - [20] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: it's caldari that are slow; not shields. ^Pretty much this. When you see a Minmatar HAV zooming across the field, peppering everything with gatling auto cannons, don't cry.

Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 544	Posted - 2013.10.28 19:53:00 - [21] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: shields having weight just irritates me..if the only benefit caldari have is long range bombardment rail guns and missiles need to make gallente havs invalid shields don't have weight. They suck up more power from the cap. Everything on that HAV of yours runs off of that cap. Caldari gives less cap to speed and more towards the shields. Why don't you get that? because it is not stated anywhere
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1315	Posted - 2013.10.28 20:17:00 - [22] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: shields having weight just irritates me..if the only benefit caldari have is long range bombardment rail guns and missiles need to make gallente havs invalid shields don't have weight. They suck up more power from the cap. Everything on that HAV of yours runs off of that cap. Caldari gives less cap to speed and more towards the shields. Why don't you get that? because it is not stated anywhere I'll try and find it. It should be somewhere on evelopedia......
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1315	Posted - 2013.10.28 20:24:00 - [23] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: shields having weight just irritates me..if the only benefit caldari have is long range bombardment rail guns and missiles need to make gallente havs invalid shields don't have weight. They suck up more power from the cap. Everything on that HAV of yours runs off of that cap. Caldari gives less cap to speed and more towards the shields. Why don't you get that? because it is not stated anywhere I'll try and find it. It should be somewhere on evelopedia...... Couldn't find it, but it's somewhere in there.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 544	Posted - 2013.10.28 20:35:00 - [24] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: shields having weight just irritates me..if the only benefit caldari have is long range bombardment rail guns and missiles need to make gallente havs invalid shields don't have weight. They suck up more power from the cap. Everything on that HAV of yours runs off of that cap. Caldari gives less cap to speed and more towards the shields. Why don't you get that? because it is not stated anywhere I'll try and find it. It should be somewhere on evelopedia...... Couldn't find it, but it's somewhere in there. even if it was in some evelopedia it is not stated on the stats of the items in question in dust..and that is what i have to go off of. .+even if it was listed it wouldnt count for me i do not believe in justifying stupid aspects of dust by pointing to some random aspect of eve lore. eve lore is for eve..ima console gamer i wanna stat i can see not lore
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7279	Posted - 2013.10.28 20:38:00 - [25] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: it's caldari that are slow; not shields. but shields themselves have speed penalties in dust Wut? Puff puff pass my bro
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 544	Posted - 2013.10.28 20:54:00 - [26] - Quote armor plates are stated that they slow you down, shield extenders are not, both slow you down and i think shields slow you down more. i do not care for lore as an explanation if that is how it is it needs to be outright in the stats dust side..so we can mock it.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 544	Posted - 2013.10.28 20:55:00 - [27] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: CharCharOdell wrote: it's caldari that are slow; not shields. but shields themselves have speed penalties in dust Wut? Puff puff pass my bro passed and now typing bro take 2 charydbis fitt one to over 3 k hp no speed modules and leave the other at base hp no speed modules the base one is faster also the 3 k or over is slower accel is slower it turns heavier (like a brick **** house) top speed is also lower...all by fitting shield extenders..and the only explanation is a bit of eve side lore no one can show me? how about one of you developers get ur butt on here and explain your shields speed reduction to me? and why unshown eve lore exists to explain this ..instead of a stat in dust ..when there is a shown stat for armor plates and how they slow you down,... i dont wanna hear mysterious eve lore that shield generators drain power from you thrust abilities..


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