DUST Search - I'm Done good, I gave a earnest try this game is broke.

low genius wrote:

Rinzler XVII wrote:

Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:

Shut up noob

Congratulations on proving everything this guy just said to be right

Instead of flaming and insulting people who express an opinion you don;t like why not try looking at it objectively and look at the bigger picture

There are serious problems with this game and if your desire to stroke your EPEEN is so great that you can;t see these problems then you are part of the problem

This community is absolutely atrocious, never in my 26 years have I seen such a toxic, bitter unhelpful collection of people gathered in one place .. someone points out a problem and makes a suggestion for a fix .. NO ... TROLL ... ABUSE .. INSULTS ... over and over and over again, instead of attempting to keep players onboard you'd rather push them over the edge ..

People come to the forums to comment on issues they have with the game and if your only response is HTFU or some other meaningless retort then you are a complete and utter C*nt

In regards to the OP ... as I say to all new players if you aren;t stubborn enough to handle being stomped constantly then I'd suggest creating 2 accounts and making 2 characters to passively gain SP for 6/8 months and when you come back you'll have a huge chunk of SP and hopefully will be coming back to a better game, the reason I say 2 accounts is so you can try things out on 1 account and when you find a play style you like you can then skill into it efficiently on your other account

are we supposed to tiptoe around people who are only going to play this game for two months? let them go.

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AlphaKelevra Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.10.25 15:27:00 - [1] - Quote As the title says I'm Done Devs, ** on all the golden stamped guns & suits of unbeatable/kill-able enemies, on all the unfair Aur paid for Advantages, ** on all the Tanks camping clone spawns, I do enjoy good first person shooters with other like minded human players but this is not it. I can't believe there any new players retained more then a week with all of this garbage pub stomping going on & i gotta say i don't mean to be a sore loser but when me and for one of the few times i have been lucky enough to join a squad bear down on one enemy & he still greases us all enough is enough. Good look to all the Vets on keeping their game a float by trying to help the noobs somehow see a sensible reason for such although i doubt you'll have much success. Thank you proto squads & corps & Devs for the spanking & forcing me to figure out surely I have something better to do with my time once a game becomes to frustrating to be fun its just not fun. Flame away i won't respond & you will no longer see the avatar or omega among your players in game or in forum any further. I won't even try to attempt to point out the problems specifically f\& even if i did & you listened i doubt it would make much difference now good luck with your project it seems to me though you let greed & lack of concern destroy an otherwise innovative idea but i have been cured of interest in the whole two games tying together & all. And for those of you whom i've seen wants to come on with a neck beard with that kinda attitude point in hand "You have one Less" player / slaughter lamb to show all your cool uber I'm the awesomeness gear too. New players reading this looking to try this game get ready because your gonna be hamburger meat OVER & OVER again MANY MANY times but its okay because the Devs stayed at a Holiday Inn last night. All new players should come equipped with a little Vaseline to ease the pain.
Humble Seeker PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 23	Posted - 2013.10.25 15:31:00 - [2] - Quote I'm sorry you feel this way... Have you tried joining a good corp? It can make a world of difference. Just a suggestion.
Yagihige Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 383	Posted - 2013.10.25 15:32:00 - [3] - Quote Ok, i get it.. You suck, you quit. Bye.
Himiko Kuronaga MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 2016	Posted - 2013.10.25 15:36:00 - [4] - Quote Can I have your stuff?
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 653	Posted - 2013.10.25 15:39:00 - [5] - Quote Shut up noob
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 192	Posted - 2013.10.25 15:41:00 - [6] - Quote Do I smell a throwaway alt? Yes, I think I do...
Michael Epic The Neutral Zone 109	Posted - 2013.10.25 15:46:00 - [7] - Quote Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Do I smell a throwaway alt? Yes, I think I do... I smell a drama queen who wants us all to go OH NO MAN PLEASE STAY WE LOVE YOU YOU'RE AWESOME YOU CAN JOIN MY TEAM WE'LL BABY YOU AND MAKE YOU BOTTLES AND STITCH YOU BLANKIES. Sorry 'jack....you're missing out on a fun game. I play this game pretty often and I love it. I recognize it has some problems, but its a work in progress just like me and you. Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.
Buttercup Chipmint Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 144	Posted - 2013.10.25 15:56:00 - [8] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: Do I smell a throwaway alt? Yes, I think I do... I smell a drama queen who wants us all to go OH NO MAN PLEASE STAY WE LOVE YOU YOU'RE AWESOME YOU CAN JOIN MY TEAM WE'LL BABY YOU AND MAKE YOU BOTTLES AND STITCH YOU BLANKIES. Sorry 'jack....you're missing out on a fun game. I play this game pretty often and I love it. I recognize it has some problems, but its a work in progress just like me and you. Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya. Troll or no troll. This is the issue with new players and this game. CCP and new EP admit that they have a problem with new player retention. Responses like this will not help the matter much. Again I do feel as though the OP is just a troll however.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 663	Posted - 2013.10.25 15:58:00 - [9] - Quote Ah the inevitable responses of "You suck" and "Get better". Grow up children. Poor playability is poor playability. Just because you are a pro thumb jockey in dad's basement doesn't mean you are the standard by which a game should be designed around. People admitting enjoyment of other, similar games should be telling. Just like EVE you are defending poor game mechanics. The same fanbois were defending EVE mechanics until it came time to fix things. Then they admitted it needed fixing. This isn't the ******* Olympics. The game should be playable by the casual pedestrian gamer. It is not. Measure your cocks by some other means. The OP's bad exoerience is you precious game's death knell. Stop defending the very thing that is going to have all of you playing CoD, BF4 et al as you pretend to be above those games.
Duran Lex Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 360	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:02:00 - [10] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Ah the inevitable responses of "You suck" and "Get better". Grow up children. Poor playability is poor playability. Just because you are a pro thumb jockey in dad's basement doesn't mean you are the standard by which a game should be designed around. People admitting enjoyment of other, similar games should be telling. Just like EVE you are defending poor game mechanics. The same fanbois were defending EVE mechanics until it came time to fix things. Then they admitted it needed fixing. This isn't the ******* Olympics. The game should be playable by the casual pedestrian gamer. It is not. Measure your cocks by some other means. The OP's bad exoerience is you precious game's death knell. Stop defending the very thing that is going to have all of you playing CoD, BF4 et al as you pretend to be above those games. This

CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT CowTek IT Infotech 33	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:10:00 - [11] - Quote Throwaway alt or not, he does have a point. Every one of my real life friends who have tried the game since open beta has said very similar things about the game. Poor new player retention is a huge problem. I love this game and I'm not a doom and gloomer but failing to retain new players has the potential to kill this game. It's easy for those of us with 20mil+ skill points to say "HTFU noob", but if those noobs don't stick around, the player base will never expand.
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis 703	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:11:00 - [12] - Quote Whether this is a troll or not, this is the reason that this game needs to evolve beyond a lobby shooter to give newberries and vets alike something to do beyond pub matches. - Part of the NPE should be directing players to the forum and showing them how important it is to get into a good starter Corp. - Training corps such as D-UNI need to be advertised to new players so they can learn how to play this game and how to properly setup their fittings - PVE needs to be created to give new guys a way to learn the ropes and gain SP without being stomped on. - CCP needs to focus this much more than on tweaking weapons etc. The Nerf/Buff train hurts new players far more than it does vets because they only have such a small SP pool to work with and cannot adapt as fast.
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 521	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:15:00 - [13] - Quote I am not going to trample over some guys opinion of the game. To each their own. He has a voice, he uses it, maybe the Devs are listening...maybe not. What I don't get from anyone in this community is the self-imposed gamer prison many tend to subject themselves to. When 'such and such comes out I'm outta here'....'such and such game is going to be the end of Dust 514'...'next-gen will seal the fate of Dust'....etc, etc, etc.... Newsflash This is a Free-to-Play game. The experience costs you nothing. And I am not talking about because it's free it should not be quality. I am saying, what stops anyone from playing other games in addition to this one? We have all been around long enough to know that THIS game's development will be an evolution. There will be no overnight miracles. If you are still holding out for that, then I feel sad for you. Play other games...friggin' A, play LOTS of other games. Why wouldn't you?! If you have sunk all your FPS game play hopes and dreams into this one title then you need an intervention. Step away, take a break, you got nothing to lose. For crying out loud, you even earn SP while you are 'taking time abroad'. End the drama. Oh and for the love of Pete...save your tears for the battlefield.
Protocake JR Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 821	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:20:00 - [14] - Quote This game is broke as ****. It seems like this game is nothing but another cheap, half-assed attempt to dive into the F2P/microtransaction money pit after they failed with incarna. It will probably be years until this game is stable/playable (performance wise) and by then the PS3 will be on it's last breath. Pubs is a joke. PC is a joke. Spam tactics is a joke. Vehicle vs Anti-vehicle vs Infantry is horribly unbalanced. Maps are cluttered, with many things to get stuck on. I mean, what's the point anymore? How can Dust be redeemed after all the bad mechanics, bad balancing, and bad performance? The only thing Dust has going for it is the community/chat/corporation system it has, but it is not enough. OP, you are a drop in the ocean of players who have tried this game, said, "LOL FACK THIS" and deleted the game in 5 minutes and forgot about it in the next 10. #brokegameisbroke
Rinzler XVII Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 189	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:30:00 - [15] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Shut up noob Congratulations on proving everything this guy just said to be right Instead of flaming and insulting people who express an opinion you don;t like why not try looking at it objectively and look at the bigger picture There are serious problems with this game and if your desire to stroke your EPEEN is so great that you can;t see these problems then you are part of the problem This community is absolutely atrocious, never in my 26 years have I seen such a toxic, bitter unhelpful collection of people gathered in one place .. someone points out a problem and makes a suggestion for a fix .. NO ... TROLL ... ABUSE .. INSULTS ... over and over and over again, instead of attempting to keep players onboard you'd rather push them over the edge .. People come to the forums to comment on issues they have with the game and if your only response is HTFU or some other meaningless retort then you are a complete and utter C*nt In regards to the OP ... as I say to all new players if you aren;t stubborn enough to handle being stomped constantly then I'd suggest creating 2 accounts and making 2 characters to passively gain SP for 6/8 months and when you come back you'll have a huge chunk of SP and hopefully will be coming back to a better game, the reason I say 2 accounts is so you can try things out on 1 account and when you find a play style you like you can then skill into it efficiently on your other account
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 751	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:34:00 - [16] - Quote grabs a box of tissue and has a good cry for the op what will we do without you!?!
Rinzler XVII Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 189	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:34:00 - [17] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Ah the inevitable responses of "You suck" and "Get better". Grow up children. Poor playability is poor playability. Just because you are a pro thumb jockey in dad's basement doesn't mean you are the standard by which a game should be designed around. People admitting enjoyment of other, similar games should be telling. Just like EVE you are defending poor game mechanics. The same fanbois were defending EVE mechanics until it came time to fix things. Then they admitted it needed fixing. This isn't the ******* Olympics. The game should be playable by the casual pedestrian gamer. It is not. Measure your cocks by some other means. The OP's bad experience is you precious game's death knell. Stop defending the very thing that is going to have all of you playing CoD, BF4 et al as you pretend to be above those games. Absolutely spot on post
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 751	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:35:00 - [18] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Shut up noob Congratulations on proving everything this guy just said to be right Instead of flaming and insulting people who express an opinion you don;t like why not try looking at it objectively and look at the bigger picture There are serious problems with this game and if your desire to stroke your EPEEN is so great that you can;t see these problems then you are part of the problem This community is absolutely atrocious, never in my 26 years have I seen such a toxic, bitter unhelpful collection of people gathered in one place .. someone points out a problem and makes a suggestion for a fix .. NO ... TROLL ... ABUSE .. INSULTS ... over and over and over again, instead of attempting to keep players onboard you'd rather push them over the edge .. People come to the forums to comment on issues they have with the game and if your only response is HTFU or some other meaningless retort then you are a complete and utter C*nt In regards to the OP ... as I say to all new players if you aren;t stubborn enough to handle being stomped constantly then I'd suggest creating 2 accounts and making 2 characters to passively gain SP for 6/8 months and when you come back you'll have a huge chunk of SP and hopefully will be coming back to a better game, the reason I say 2 accounts is so you can try things out on 1 account and when you find a play style you like you can then skill into it efficiently on your other account are we supposed to tiptoe around people who are only going to play this game for two months? let them go.
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 530	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:38:00 - [19] - Quote Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

GM Vegas Game Masters C C P Alliance 607	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:40:00 - [20] - Quote Moving this to the Locker Room. See Section 32 of the Forum Rules. Thanks,


Malkai Inos Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 979	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:49:00 - [21] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: [...] The game should be playable by the casual pedestrian gamer. [...] If this were universally true then games like the Flight Simulator series would have no reason to exist, the X series would not get its fourth (?) installment and DotA 2 wouldn't have become one of the most played games on Steam. Certain games are tailored to certain audiences. Some are made specifically for the casual playerbase, others try to combine a reasonable depth with accessability and others again are aimed at those people that appreciate a little challenge and rough handling every now and then. If OP doesn't like the game because it tends to be an utter torture at times, especially at first. Fine. I can perfectly understand his viewpoint and wish him best luck in finding something he can enjoy. I will also agree that there are several aspects of the game that are needlessly complicated/difficult and many things that can be done to increase player retention without sacrificing the overal "HTFU" philosophy that caters to the "hardcore crowd". This, however, does not mean that every new "leaving" thread is a burning testament of "poor game mechanics" or that CCP has to cater to a target audience that they never aimed at in the first place. It's a niche game (just like EVE) and as such does things in ways that the median playerbase does not appreciate. That's, in part, by design.
Rinzler XVII Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 189	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:52:00 - [22] - Quote low genius wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Shut up noob Congratulations on proving everything this guy just said to be right Instead of flaming and insulting people who express an opinion you don;t like why not try looking at it objectively and look at the bigger picture There are serious problems with this game and if your desire to stroke your EPEEN is so great that you can;t see these problems then you are part of the problem This community is absolutely atrocious, never in my 26 years have I seen such a toxic, bitter unhelpful collection of people gathered in one place .. someone points out a problem and makes a suggestion for a fix .. NO ... TROLL ... ABUSE .. INSULTS ... over and over and over again, instead of attempting to keep players onboard you'd rather push them over the edge .. People come to the forums to comment on issues they have with the game and if your only response is HTFU or some other meaningless retort then you are a complete and utter C*nt In regards to the OP ... as I say to all new players if you aren;t stubborn enough to handle being stomped constantly then I'd suggest creating 2 accounts and making 2 characters to passively gain SP for 6/8 months and when you come back you'll have a huge chunk of SP and hopefully will be coming back to a better game, the reason I say 2 accounts is so you can try things out on 1 account and when you find a play style you like you can then skill into it efficiently on your other account are we supposed to tiptoe around people who are only going to play this game for two months? let them go. No you address the underlying reasons WHY they leave after a couple of months and try and fix them so the next person stays and plays and thus increases the playerbase You seem to be under the impression that everyone who leaves was going to do so anyway rather than using your brain and thinking logically that they would have stayed if the game was good enough .. I really enjoy causing myself pain hence why I play DUST but you can;t expect everyone to do the same
Rinzler XVII Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 189	Posted - 2013.10.25 17:01:00 - [23] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: Operative 1171 Aajli[... wrote: The game should be playable by the casual pedestrian gamer. [...] If this were universally true then games like the Flight Simulator series would have no reason to exist, the X series would not get its fourth (?) installment and DotA 2 wouldn't have become one of the most played games on Steam. Certain games are tailored to certain audiences. Some are made specifically for the casual playerbase, others try to combine a reasonable depth with accessability and others again are aimed at those people that appreciate a little challenge and rough handling every now and then. If OP doesn't like the game because it tends to be an utter torture at times, especially at first. Fine. I can perfectly understand his viewpoint and wish him best luck in finding something he can enjoy. I will also agree that there are several aspects of the game that are needlessly complicated/difficult and many things that can be done to increase player retention without sacrificing the overal "HTFU" philosophy that caters to the "hardcore crowd". This, however, does not mean that every new "leaving" thread is a burning testament of "poor game mechanics" or that CCP has to cater to a target audience that they never aimed at in the first place. It's a niche game (just like EVE) and as such does things in ways that the median playerbase does not appreciate. That's, in part, by design. Eve isn't constant battles with 16 frigates v 10 frigates and 6 titans in the same old maps with the same few gamemodes on repeat You cannot have a lobby shooter that pits people brand new to the game v people at the top end of everything with no other choices than to either spend 3-6 months being frustrated or simply not play the game because most will simply not play the game ... you cannot possibly compare Eve to DUST ... Eve has more choice than fight v Titans .. oh so they killed you HTFU which is the mentality you seem to be preaching The stomping is acceptable in moderation and HTFU could be applied if it was every now and again but it isn't , new players are subjected to it game after game day after day for months and there comes a time when you have to think .. actually it's a bit too much we need to scale it down a bit
Malkai Inos Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 979	Posted - 2013.10.25 17:48:00 - [24] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: Eve isn't constant battles with 16 frigates v 10 frigates and 6 titans in the same old maps with the same few gamemodes on repeat Depending on how carefull you are at picking your targets and who you are screwing with. It actually can be. But I will agree that variety, both in modes aswell as maps amplifies the issue as frustration is paired with boredom for a toxic cocktail of "Fk it". Rinzler XVII wrote:** You cannot have a lobby shooter that pits people brand new to the game v people at the top end of everything with no other choices than to either spend 3-6 months being frustrated or simply not play the game because most will simply not play the game ... you cannot possibly compare Eve to DUST ... Eve has more choice than fight v Titans .. oh so they killed you HTFU which is the mentality you seem to be preaching The stomping is acceptable in moderation and HTFU could be applied if it was every now and again but it isn't , new players are subjected to it game after game day after day for months and there comes a time when you have to think .. actually it's a bit too much we need to scale it down a bit Because of wildy varying numbers per team, matchmaking can currently be very "bad" with "bad" being more of an euphemism than an accurate description so, in essence, i agree with you that things have to be changed. But even with everything working as intended, players might still face squads full of protobears or otherwise higher tier gear all the time. CCP is not going to implement any kind of "tiered matches" as far as i can tell so matchmaking will be limited to balancing player skill, not gear or SP. Players will have to deal with the fact that others can buy a better chance at winning for increaseed risk if they choose to and that often a direct approach like most other FPS allow and encourage will not work in that situation. I've seen enough blueberries mindlessly running into organized squads dozens of times, dying horribly and trying again and again, somehow expecting a different outcome each and every time. I can see how this is frustrating but I also expect this to continue to happen even when matchmaking gets fixed and proto gear finally serves its role. I do really wonder how many of those who are leaving now because of matchmaking issues would still get frustrated and, to get back to my first reply, how many of those will still realize that this game is not meeting their expactations.
Meeko Fent expert intervention Caldari State 1284	Posted - 2013.10.25 18:31:00 - [25] - Quote Whatever you like. I could understand the absolute terribad you new guys have it, and I cant blame you on leaving. Myself, I've invested too much time and effort into this game to see it just go away. Especially with new gear and more interesting additions.
Rush Inamras PiZzA DuDeS 26	Posted - 2013.11.08 19:14:00 - [26] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Ah the inevitable responses of "You suck" and "Get better". Grow up children. Poor playability is poor playability. Just because you are a pro thumb jockey in dad's basement doesn't mean you are the standard by which a game should be designed around. People admitting enjoyment of other, similar games should be telling. Just like EVE you are defending poor game mechanics. The same fanbois were defending EVE mechanics until it came time to fix things. Then they admitted it needed fixing. This isn't the ***** Olympics. The game should be playable by the casual pedestrian gamer. It is not. Measure your cocks by some other means. The OP's bad experience is you precious game's death knell. Stop defending the very thing that is going to have all of you playing CoD, BF4 et al as you pretend to be above those games. ^He's right you know, thougghh I ammmm closing in the gap, soon I shall seek vengence upon these ** proto players!


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