DUST Search - Anyone else a little worried / annoyed about news of the LP market?

Broonfondle Majikthies wrote:

I have been reading the forums an the notes from Dust Vegas and I have concerns.

In essence this factional event that just passed was so popular they want to keep it going. Fair enough, I like the concept. The LP market is a really cool idea - Making equipment available through loyalty points for your own faction through FW

Only problem I have is that my corp doesn't have many Min users (I believe there is only 1 other besides myself). So in the last factional event I had to side with the Amarr with most of my fellow corp. If I hadn't then I would have had to go solo or in a random squad with decreased effectiveness. (and none of my characters are at proto level, so was no biggie)

Now I know I will be able to trade gear and so I won't loose out entirely but it does leave me torn between loyalty to the corp and loyalty to my faction - I will always feel I will be missing out. Or that I will have to pay a premium for the gear I want (you know they're gonna jack up the price, hell I would).
Then to eventually be locked out entirely from that faction will really hurt Sad

I love the Minmatar equipment and playstyle, its so much fun (and I do it well, If I do say so myself Pirate

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So have I missed anything? am I the only one concerned?

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Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp 346	Posted - 2013.10.22 08:52:00 - [1] - Quote I have been reading the forums an the notes from Dust Vegas and I have concerns. In essence this factional event that just passed was so popular they want to keep it going. Fair enough, I like the concept. The LP market is a really cool idea - Making equipment available through loyalty points for your own faction through FW Only problem I have is that my corp doesn't have many Min users (I believe there is only 1 other besides myself). So in the last factional event I had to side with the Amarr with most of my fellow corp. If I hadn't then I would have had to go solo or in a random squad with decreased effectiveness. (and none of my characters are at proto level, so was no biggie) Now I know I will be able to trade gear and so I won't loose out entirely but it does leave me torn between loyalty to the corp and loyalty to my faction - I will always feel I will be missing out. Or that I will have to pay a premium for the gear I want (you know they're gonna jack up the price, hell I would). Then to eventually be locked out entirely from that faction will really hurt I love the Minmatar equipment and playstyle, its so much fun (and I do it well, If I do say so myself ) So have I missed anything? am I the only one concerned?
Gelan Corbaine Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 206	Posted - 2013.10.22 09:00:00 - [2] - Quote Sorry to say this but Welcome to New Eden. You are not the first to find himself with conflicting loyalties and wont be the last . This was true long before Dust . Sounds like you got some hard choices to make .
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1619	Posted - 2013.10.22 09:00:00 - [3] - Quote Sounds like you're going to have to draw the line somewhere then...
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 266	Posted - 2013.10.22 09:01:00 - [4] - Quote You could join a Minmatar faction channel and squad up with them for faction warfare. At least, thats what I did for the event.
Rogue Saint Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 345	Posted - 2013.10.22 09:07:00 - [5] - Quote Gelan Corbaine wrote: Sorry to say this but Welcome to New Eden. You are not the first to find himself with conflicting loyalties and wont be the last . This was true long before Dust . Sounds like you got some hard choices to make . QFT
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3504	Posted - 2013.10.22 09:15:00 - [6] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: I have been reading the forums an the notes from Dust Vegas and I have concerns. In essence this factional event that just passed was so popular they want to keep it going. Fair enough, I like the concept. The LP market is a really cool idea - Making equipment available through loyalty points for your own faction through FW Only problem I have is that my corp doesn't have many Min users (I believe there is only 1 other besides myself). So in the last factional event I had to side with the Amarr with most of my fellow corp. If I hadn't then I would have had to go solo or in a random squad with decreased effectiveness. (and none of my characters are at proto level, so was no biggie) Now I know I will be able to trade gear and so I won't loose out entirely but it does leave me torn between loyalty to the corp and loyalty to my faction - I will always feel I will be missing out. Or that I will have to pay a premium for the gear I want (you know they're gonna jack up the price, hell I would). Then to eventually be locked out entirely from that faction will really hurt I love the Minmatar equipment and playstyle, its so much fun (and I do it well, If I do say so myself ) So have I missed anything? am I the only one concerned? Its how FW works in EVE, its how it should work here.
Mad Syringe Black Phoenix Mercenaries 28	Posted - 2013.10.22 09:19:00 - [7] - Quote No you are not! I had similar problems during the event. Since one of our guys (Amarr Character) was often in charge of the first squad going, I had to stay out of said squad and used the squad finder to find Minmatar squads. Later in the event I lead squads of corpmates into Minmatar FW and we won quite a few matches. In the end I got all the Minmatar rewards. But when the event started I was quite disappointed to be left without a possibility to squad up in corp... You are definitely right, it will be difficult to have factional warfare in corp. What I don't like about this, is that you find friends in the game, and you are forced to not play with them because of a random decision you made when creating your character, or because of the decision you made while skilling in you character. This is just not cool. I like roleplaying a lot, but to dump friends just because they selected a different race is utter nonsense. And it promotes racism... That said, I think one of the biggest downfalls of the new FW system is the rewards! First of all, I think when you fight for a faction, you should gain idealistic values first and foremost! So no gear or anything just a basic payout (in isk) and LP, that give you only idealistic rewards, like skins for your dropsuits badges and titles... like in real life, nothing but honor. For a certain factional standing, you should be able to buy in a factional store with isk. These items should be ridicoulously expensive at the start, and get cheaper with higher standing towards the faction. So if you have a high standing, you can make a good profit by selling them, and if your standing is low, it's barely worth buying them. If your standing is negative you will not be able to buy them at all. They should also be locked to factional standing. Meaning, if you have a bad standing with the Minmatar, you should have a penalty using their weapons. So that they are more of a reward for loyalty... It should be a privilige to be able to use them. Before this can even be thought about, there MUST be the rest of all the factional gear in the game AND the MARKET! PLEASE CCP DO NOT GIVE US NEW FW BEFORE YOU GIVE US ALL THE GEAR AND THE MARKET! Cheers
Brokerib Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2013.10.22 09:21:00 - [8] - Quote I'd suggest waiting to see how the loyalty point system ends up getting implemented. It may be possible to grind reputation with multiple factions, even opposing factions, if you play it right. Thus no need to miss out, though I expect it would take significant effort.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9607	Posted - 2013.10.22 09:26:00 - [9] - Quote Even if we had factional parity there are people who would still only go with one faction despite friends. Doesn't mean you have to enemies though just you may wind up having to shoot him in game. Most of the fighting in Eve FW is to get factional warfare tools such as the naval issued cruisers and equipment and supplies. There are entire alliances centering around this concept these days as well.
steadyhand amarr MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1616	Posted - 2013.10.22 09:34:00 - [10] - Quote Remember your race does not force ur FW side. I know my matari friends helping the empire walk balk at helping the croupt republic. This conflicting loytails is a big part of new eden. Ccp is not forcing your hand ur friends are. So time to make more friends on the side u want to fight for

Mad Syringe Black Phoenix Mercenaries 28	Posted - 2013.10.22 10:09:00 - [11] - Quote steadyhand amarr wrote: Remember your race does not force ur FW side. I know my matari friends helping the empire walk balk at helping the croupt republic. This conflicting loytails is a big part of new eden. Ccp is not forcing your hand ur friends are. So time to make more friends on the side u want to fight for I know that I could fight for the Lazorboys, but I probably won't... I deleted 2-3 characters when I started this game, just because I finally found out what race i wanted to play. It is however fact, that many players do not really get any of the background when they create their character. CCP really sucks when it comes to new player experience and explaining how races and lore work in EVE. This is one of the biggest downfalls in the new player experience... The other is, that it basically doesn't matter at all what race you are, since it has no consequences whatsoever... Meaning you choose a label and it has no effect. So why have any lables at all? Why don't we start as Humans, and then work our way into the factions by our actions. That would make more sense in my opinion. (I know, CCP won't change that ever, but it's really bad design in my opinion)... Still, I think there will be problems from this. I have whitnessed people leaving the game because they do not like all that pollitical bs going on in the game. I'm personally a little bit on the edge, if I want to play a game that lives from the personal issues people have with each other than from content. Usually you play for recreational purposes and not because you want the same bs you have in real life in a game... If you have a real life that is...
Jade Dragonis GRIM MARCH 222	Posted - 2013.10.22 10:14:00 - [12] - Quote Easy solution. Fight with your corp in amarr fw. Collect lp and get amarr weapons and such. Sell them and the isk then goes to your min gear.
Mad Syringe Black Phoenix Mercenaries 28	Posted - 2013.10.22 10:21:00 - [13] - Quote Jade Dragonis wrote: Easy solution. Fight with your corp in amarr fw. Collect lp and get amarr weapons and such. Sell them and the isk then goes to your min gear. No it is not, because I'm coming from a roleplaying background, and I want meaningful decisions in a game. Just giving crap about who I fight for, is not in my mindset. So I either fight for my corp (this is what most military units forges together) or I fight for a cause. If the corp is fighting for a cause I can not agree upon, I have to move somewhere else. If I loose friends I have found on the way by doing so, than I might not enjoy the game anymore, and go somewhere else... If that is what CCP wants, then fine...
Acturus Galaxy Vikingerne 151	Posted - 2013.10.22 10:36:00 - [14] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: Jade Dragonis wrote: Easy solution. Fight with your corp in amarr fw. Collect lp and get amarr weapons and such. Sell them and the isk then goes to your min gear. No it is not, because I'm coming from a roleplaying background, and I want meaningful decisions in a game. Just giving crap about who I fight for, is not in my mindset. So I either fight for my corp (this is what most military units forges together) or I fight for a cause. If the corp is fighting for a cause I can not agree upon, I have to move somewhere else. If I loose friends I have found on the way by doing so, than I might not enjoy the game anymore, and go somewhere else... If that is what CCP wants, then fine... Weird, you just said that you did not give a damn about the political bs of EVE, this is a huge part of the RP in EVE. And now you say you have an RP background and wishing to comply with the political setup in EVE for RP reasons. This is exactly what makes EVE so wonderful, there is no fixed table you can lookup as the old school RP games, here you have a political system which is not set in stone that you can help bend and shape to your advantage. I would recommend to find a new corporation that are minmartar friendly or accept that you are a rogue Minmartar fighting for the evil Amar empire against your own kind
Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 262	Posted - 2013.10.22 11:26:00 - [15] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: I have been reading the forums an the notes from Dust Vegas and I have concerns. In essence this factional event that just passed was so popular they want to keep it going. Fair enough, I like the concept. The LP market is a really cool idea - Making equipment available through loyalty points for your own faction through FW Only problem I have is that my corp doesn't have many Min users (I believe there is only 1 other besides myself). So in the last factional event I had to side with the Amarr with most of my fellow corp. If I hadn't then I would have had to go solo or in a random squad with decreased effectiveness. (and none of my characters are at proto level, so was no biggie) Now I know I will be able to trade gear and so I won't loose out entirely but it does leave me torn between loyalty to the corp and loyalty to my faction - I will always feel I will be missing out. Or that I will have to pay a premium for the gear I want (you know they're gonna jack up the price, hell I would). Then to eventually be locked out entirely from that faction will really hurt I love the Minmatar equipment and playstyle, its so much fun (and I do it well, If I do say so myself ) So have I missed anything? am I the only one concerned? This is one of the many things to consider when choosing both your corp, racial specializations, and your factions. I, personally would like to have the option of choosing Mordu's Legion or Sansha. But those are yet to become available .
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1533	Posted - 2013.10.22 11:40:00 - [16] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: If I loose friends I have found on the way by doing so, than I might not enjoy the game anymore, and go somewhere else... If that is what CCP wants, then fine... If they're truly your friends they wouldn't mind if you fought for another faction despite the corporation leaning towards another, opposing faction. Fighting against you is actually the best way to find faults in your own and their playstyles. Hell, you could even stick voice chat in corp. with them and have a few laughs at misguiding their orbitals for them. You love roleplaying? So do I, and I'm a mercenary. This corporation lets me meet other mercenaries, but I have fought against them before and I've cursed when they blow up my dropships and giggled when I destroy their expensive crap, but in the end we get along. FW shouldn't matter to mercenaries; we're freelance. PC is where loyalty counts.
Blaze Ashra Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.10.22 11:50:00 - [17] - Quote I kind of feel sorry for the minmatar faction when friendly fire comes along, but not much. Hope you guys don't all get locked out on the first week from your team kills. I'm hoping we can use LP to buy cross factional gear or we get all the racial vehicles in the game before this hits.
Mad Syringe Black Phoenix Mercenaries 29	Posted - 2013.10.22 11:54:00 - [18] - Quote Acturus Galaxy wrote: Weird, you just said that you did not give a damn about the political bs of EVE, this is a huge part of the RP in EVE. And now you say you have an RP background and wishing to comply with the political setup in EVE for RP reasons. This is exactly what makes EVE so wonderful, there is no fixed table you can lookup as the old school RP games, here you have a political system which is not set in stone that you can help bend and shape to your advantage. I would recommend to find a new corporation that are minmartar friendly or accept that you are a rogue Minmartar fighting for the evil Amar empire against your own kind First of all to correct a false impression, Black Pheonix Mercenaries have no official factional standing. We have so far not decided if we go for one faction in FW. So far individual squad leaders decide for which faction they fight and the squad members usually get asked what they want. Second, the personal bs I was mentioning is probably a bit OT, it was not FW related so forget about that. It's more about politics betwheen players, that turns people of to play the game at all... I'm squadding up with friends and have no problem to be shot at by them if we go against each other... so no prob...
Mad Syringe Black Phoenix Mercenaries 29	Posted - 2013.10.22 11:57:00 - [19] - Quote Blaze Ashra wrote: I kind of feel sorry for the minmatar faction when friendly fire comes along, but not much. Hope you guys don't all get locked out on the first week from your team kills. I'm hoping we can use LP to buy cross factional gear or we get all the racial vehicles in the game before this hits. That is actually something I'm looking forward to as a challenge (I'm dedicated Masshole)...
Jade Dragonis GRIM MARCH 222	Posted - 2013.10.22 12:14:00 - [20] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: Jade Dragonis wrote: Easy solution. Fight with your corp in amarr fw. Collect lp and get amarr weapons and such. Sell them and the isk then goes to your min gear. No it is not, because I'm coming from a roleplaying background, and I want meaningful decisions in a game. Just giving crap about who I fight for, is not in my mindset. So I either fight for my corp (this is what most military units forges together) or I fight for a cause. If the corp is fighting for a cause I can not agree upon, I have to move somewhere else. If I loose friends I have found on the way by doing so, than I might not enjoy the game anymore, and go somewhere else... If that is what CCP wants, then fine... You don't have to give up your RP wishes. Remeber that dust is about mercs. Warriors who have forgone the willingness to fight in a factional army and fight for those who pay the most. Only alternative is to comorimise then. Keep this character and switch to a min corp. Then create an alt who is more aligned to your current corps loyalties. So you don't have to loose your friends and can fight for your own cause.

Mad Syringe Black Phoenix Mercenaries 29	Posted - 2013.10.22 12:26:00 - [21] - Quote Jade Dragonis wrote: You don't have to give up your RP wishes. Remeber that dust is about mercs. Warriors who have forgone the willingness to fight in a factional army and fight for those who pay the most. Only alternative is to comorimise then. Keep this character and switch to a min corp. Then create an alt who is more aligned to your current corps loyalties. So you don't have to loose your friends and can fight for your own cause. As I said, this is hypothetical, I do not need to leave corp since we do not have a factional standing. I also have two alts (one Caldari one Gallente) for RP reasons. These alts will do anything in their power (we'll see in the long run) to support their racial factions. I did this mainly, because I wanted to play the different races with their respective gear...
Jade Dragonis GRIM MARCH 222	Posted - 2013.10.22 12:28:00 - [22] - Quote Mad Syringe wrote: Jade Dragonis wrote: You don't have to give up your RP wishes. Remeber that dust is about mercs. Warriors who have forgone the willingness to fight in a factional army and fight for those who pay the most. Only alternative is to comorimise then. Keep this character and switch to a min corp. Then create an alt who is more aligned to your current corps loyalties. So you don't have to loose your friends and can fight for your own cause. As I said, this is hypothetical, I do not need to leave corp since we do not have a factional standing. I also have two alts (one Caldari one Gallente) for RP reasons. These alts will do anything in their power (we'll see in the long run) to support their racial factions. I did this mainly, because I wanted to play the different races with their respective gear... For my RP stuff I still use my main. But as a true merc. Going to eventually spec into all suits. Who pays plays lol
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 647	Posted - 2013.10.22 12:32:00 - [23] - Quote Obviously, RP is a thing if you are worried about loyalty to a faction. Create a new backstory for your character and enjoy!


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