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Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.10.22 01:15:00 -
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As noted here:
Quote:What this also means is that we'll be posting what we have so far on the forums starting next week for you guys to give feedback before any of this stuff hits Tranquility. This will allow you to give us your take on what's coming soon to a marketplace near you. This will include both the vehicle changes, changed rifle ranges and the new weapon stats. - CCP Logibro September 18, 2013
and today:
Quote:We are going to release some changes to ranges, and additionally, 1.7 will give players new rifles to play with, and we will keep monitoring their performance on TQ. -CCP Logibro October 21, 2013
It's been over a month... and you apparently have information on the adjustments you want to make that we're supposed to give feedback on already... |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
2200
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Posted - 2013.10.22 01:19:00 -
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Inb4 rail rifle is OP just because its Caldari they dont want us to have nice things |
Cosgar
ParagonX
6305
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Posted - 2013.10.22 01:21:00 -
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AR tears are going to be so delicious. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
2200
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Posted - 2013.10.22 01:34:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:AR tears are going to be so delicious.
Keep thinking that, its not like we are getting variations with longer ranges and things like a bonus to armor damage and with some having a high base damage as well Hell we might even get full auto variations of the rail and combat rifles like the assault scrambler
Now you tell me who is going to cry more, the guys that can spend a few skill points into getting weapons with even better ranges or the guys crying right now about the AR when there are 2 more variants on the field that dont suck |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.10.22 09:23:00 -
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People will complain no matter what. Seeing the stats early is about us heading off screw ups like what happened with the initial Armor plate stats (and the reactives still suck and the ferroscale are pointless, but yeah). |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1619
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Posted - 2013.10.22 09:25:00 -
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AR victims will still cry even when the changes go into place. Just watch, the next qq will be about SCR... |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1884
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Posted - 2013.10.22 09:30:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:AR tears are going to be so delicious.
You still don't get it Cosgar.... the only reason why we all use the AR right now, is because all the other variations sucks. Ones we have more choices... you'll see AR users using other weapons in the same category.
I personally think that YOUR tears are going to be delicious.... |
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CCP Logibro
C C P C C P Alliance
3023
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Posted - 2013.10.22 09:49:00 -
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They're coming. CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites // Patron Saint of Logistics
@CCP_Logibro |
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BrownEye1129
Death In Xcess Corporation
95
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Posted - 2013.10.22 10:03:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:People will complain no matter what. Seeing the stats early is about us heading off screw ups like what happened with the initial Armor plate stats (and the reactives still suck and the ferroscale are pointless, but yeah).
Ferroscale useless...news to me. Guess I should be like everyone else, fat and slow. Lucky for you guys there are players like me. We aren't afraid being a little squishy if it means we can out maneuver the enemy. I'll goget flank. You are welcome. |
PADDEHATPIGEN
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
83
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Posted - 2013.10.22 10:15:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:AR victims will still cry even when the changes go into place. Just watch, the next qq will be about SCR...
OH YEAH.
Overheat mechanic on the scrambler rifle is based time, this Means that with a modded controller you can fire 17 rounds EXTREMLY fast, and i promice you, when players find out it will be abused, you only have to be carefull that you dont fire more then 17 rounds, you overheat at nr.18. So 17 reload, 17 reload ect, or just let it cool Down before you fire Again. |
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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1884
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Posted - 2013.10.22 10:18:00 -
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PADDEHATPIGEN wrote:Michael Arck wrote:AR victims will still cry even when the changes go into place. Just watch, the next qq will be about SCR... OH YEAH. Overheat mechanic on the scrambler rifle is based time, this Means that with a modded controller you can fire 17 rounds EXTREMLY fast, and i promice you, when players find out it will be abused, you only have to be carefull that you dont fire more then 17 rounds, you overheat at nr.18. So 17 reload, 17 reload ect, or just let it cool Down before you fire Again.
Just use the Assault SCR Rifle ? ...it's practically a Gek-38 ... |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
721
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Posted - 2013.10.22 10:21:00 -
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BrownEye1129 wrote:Zeylon Rho wrote:People will complain no matter what. Seeing the stats early is about us heading off screw ups like what happened with the initial Armor plate stats (and the reactives still suck and the ferroscale are pointless, but yeah). Ferroscale useless...news to me. Guess I should be like everyone else, fat and slow. Lucky for you guys there are players like me. We aren't afraid being a little squishy if it means we can out maneuver the enemy. I'll goget flank. You are welcome.
And while you flank me, ill first kill the guy in front of me then turn your way and kill you aswell, then walk it off as my complex repper reps me back up.
I always love the effect of killing 3-4 guys before comming anywhere near overheating
Edit: i am a fan of armor tanking, and ive tried to make use of the Ferros but they are just not up to the level of abuse they need to withstand |
Kazeno Rannaa
BIG BAD W0LVES
262
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Posted - 2013.10.22 11:13:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Inb4 rail rifle is OP just because its Caldari they dont want us to have nice things
This is SOOOO true. We are the only race that has only one style of dropsuits (i.e., Medium) with two variants. And only 3 weapons - sniper rifle, swarm launcher, and rail gun, for the boots on the ground. Granted we have an MCC and vehicles, but hell, the suits would be nice.
Am i right?!?!??! |
Kazeno Rannaa
BIG BAD W0LVES
262
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Posted - 2013.10.22 11:14:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:They're coming.
Nothing personal Logibro, but that particular message is becoming tired, like a 6 year old pair of socks. Or better yet, like a 20 year old pair of underwear.
And I should know, I HAVE BOTH |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
420
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Posted - 2013.10.22 12:28:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:They're coming.
I guess its better than Soon
Fed-up-ness aside. I am glad the rifles should make it for 1.7. My Adv Logi is nearly finished so I can start saving SP again. |
Nestil
Seraphim Auxiliaries
72
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:00:00 -
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PADDEHATPIGEN wrote:Michael Arck wrote:AR victims will still cry even when the changes go into place. Just watch, the next qq will be about SCR... OH YEAH. Overheat mechanic on the scrambler rifle is based time, this Means that with a modded controller you can fire 17 rounds EXTREMLY fast, and i promice you, when players find out it will be abused, you only have to be carefull that you dont fire more then 17 rounds, you overheat at nr.18. So 17 reload, 17 reload ect, or just let it cool Down before you fire Again. sadly it's already well known under SCR users... i faced some of these abusers -_- some ppl just dont have the balls to play fair..
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Dusters Blog
Galactic News Network
451
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:15:00 -
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now the gallente ar will have 100m of range until the other rifles get here?
The problem with this constant redoing of the core aspects of weaponry isnt good. More players have left the game as a result of the constant push & pull of how weapons, vehicles and equipment operate than anything. Players are getting used to the way the GEK operates right now as we speak, they dont come to the forums or know anything about racial differences or placeholders. All they'll know is that the weapon theyre comfortable with just had its range cut in half.
constant reworking is fail. give players weapons that operate as close as possible to how they are intended to work. allow players to get used to them or continue to see people leave. |
Slag Emberforge
Immortal Retribution
52
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:16:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:They're coming.
(Finally a valid excuse to use this)
Really bro? |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4664
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:19:00 -
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My god you people are so needy. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
730
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:20:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:They're coming. I am sorry to inform you that it got pushed back |
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Mass Heals
Subsonic Synthetics
102
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:30:00 -
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PADDEHATPIGEN wrote:Michael Arck wrote:AR victims will still cry even when the changes go into place. Just watch, the next qq will be about SCR... OH YEAH. Overheat mechanic on the scrambler rifle is based time, this Means that with a modded controller you can fire 17 rounds EXTREMLY fast, and i promice you, when players find out it will be abused, you only have to be carefull that you dont fire more then 17 rounds, you overheat at nr.18. So 17 reload, 17 reload ect, or just let it cool Down before you fire Again.
Actually, My SCR friend tested this and its 20 rounds before overheating... with proto amarr of course. |
skippy678
F.T.U.
102
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:37:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:They're coming.
Dude...you said they are coming 29 days ago...and they havnt come yet..so when you say soon does that mean more than 28 days from now? because we know soon dosent mean 28 days as we are waiting right now...still
I'm trying not to put a negative spin on this as i Think I have a legitament statment to make about timelines and keeping them.
The weekly dev blog comes out religously late 8-10 days late every timme, icluding right at this moment where the dev blog sits at 12 days late...
Always with Logibro coming in and posting about how it will be soon... or that he was sick, or went to the hospital, or lots of people were in and out this week or its been hecktic with the update
I'm not sure that this story reference will translate from North america over the Ocean to you guys, And I mean this the best wy possible in hopes of ignighting some sort of effort out of Logibro to man up and meet his deadlines;
You are the boy who cried wolf, and nobody believes you anymore....
Is he like a manager or leader of the Dev team? If not who is his manager or a Dev Leader?
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Rei Shepard
Spectre II
724
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Posted - 2013.10.22 13:51:00 -
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Mass Heals wrote:PADDEHATPIGEN wrote:Michael Arck wrote:AR victims will still cry even when the changes go into place. Just watch, the next qq will be about SCR... OH YEAH. Overheat mechanic on the scrambler rifle is based time, this Means that with a modded controller you can fire 17 rounds EXTREMLY fast, and i promice you, when players find out it will be abused, you only have to be carefull that you dont fire more then 17 rounds, you overheat at nr.18. So 17 reload, 17 reload ect, or just let it cool Down before you fire Again. Actually, My SCR friend tested this and its 20 rounds before overheating... with proto amarr of course.
Its 22-24 rounds before overheat with my fingers (Amarr assault V and Scrambler V), since its based on time, better specced fingers can get more lazor out of the barrel in the same time :p
I used to play Track & Field on commodore 64....back when they were hot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DaPtjhIC9g), i am sure i did better back then though lol
Edit: poor fingers/wrists when i think back on it |
Cosgar
ParagonX
6329
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Posted - 2013.10.22 15:07:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Cosgar wrote:AR tears are going to be so delicious. You still don't get it Cosgar.... the only reason why we all use the AR right now, is because all the other variations sucks. Ones we have more choices... you'll see AR users using other weapons in the same category. I personally think that YOUR tears are going to be delicious.... Apparently you don't get it. There won't be an all powerful generalist weapon anymore. Tryhards are going to have to give up something to get something out of the different racial weapons for once. No more plasma killing people from outside of rendering distance, more than one weapon damage profile to exploit, and the joy of watching AR nerds crying that their "I win button" finally has a weakness. |
ReGnYuM
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
1149
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Posted - 2013.10.22 15:40:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Cosgar wrote:AR tears are going to be so delicious. You still don't get it Cosgar.... the only reason why we all use the AR right now, is because all the other variations sucks. Ones we have more choices... you'll see AR users using other weapons in the same category. I personally think that YOUR tears are going to be delicious.... Apparently you don't get it. There won't be an all powerful generalist weapon anymore. Tryhards are going to have to give up something to get something out of the different racial weapons for once. No more plasma killing people from outside of rendering distance, more than one weapon damage profile to exploit, and the joy of watching AR nerds crying that their "I win button" finally has a weakness.
Sometimes I think Cosgar would just like to roll for kills in Dust. You need to grow a pair and play PC.
Lastly Cosgar, if the easy Ar is sooo easy would like to thunderdome this Sat. Ar vs AR |
Nirwanda Vaughns
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
118
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Posted - 2013.10.22 15:45:00 -
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The standard AR range isn't too extreme atm. people spout outthat gallente use short range high damage blasters... well yes but in dust we call that a shotgun! for the ARs my theory is its the equivalent to the blaster using iron ammo, longer range lower damage. at most drop max range down by 5-10m but increase dps of breach weapons to around 500rpm because atm the breach varients on AR are just laughable.
caldari rail rifle will be a light sniper rifle seeing as caldari tend to favor long range/low damage turrets lile rails, i'm thinking the tactical rifle with more range lower damage.
minmatar rifle i would love to see a minmatar sniper rifle to bust some heavies balls and the minny assault rilfle being something like an LMG 100-150 clip, maybe make the dps around 450, 40% accuracy similar damage to breach AR to act as a suppression weapon would be nice |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1738
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Posted - 2013.10.22 16:20:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Cosgar wrote:AR tears are going to be so delicious. You still don't get it Cosgar.... the only reason why we all use the AR right now, is because all the other variations sucks. Ones we have more choices... you'll see AR users using other weapons in the same category. I personally think that YOUR tears are going to be delicious.... Apparently you don't get it. There won't be an all powerful generalist weapon anymore. Tryhards are going to have to give up something to get something out of the different racial weapons for once. No more plasma killing people from outside of rendering distance, more than one weapon damage profile to exploit, and the joy of watching AR nerds crying that their "I win button" finally has a weakness.
Thank you Cosgar for continuing to point the way towards a better Dust.
I myself, have quit playing for a while now, precisely because the game has devolved into AR 514. The AR is OP, it has been for a loooong time, and it needs to be turned in to a niche weapon like all other weapons in Dust.
That's the simple truth. Anything short of that and Dust will continue to decline in popularity.
So, all you AR users that believe the weapon is just fine, well, it isn't, it's been killing Dust for a while, and Cosgar is one of the few left helping to make the game better, instead of more dumbed down. |
Levithunder
Butt Hurt Try Hards
114
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Posted - 2013.10.22 16:30:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:They're coming. When? |
Vespasian Andendare
Subsonic Synthesis Alpha Wolf Pack
519
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Posted - 2013.10.22 18:59:00 -
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Levithunder wrote:CCP Logibro wrote:They're coming. When? 1.5....no, wait 1.6.....oh, 1.7 then. (or 1.8, who knows?)
@Cosgar I do expect that AR ranges will likely be adjusted downward, as they are designed as close-to-medium ranged, high damage rifles. What'll be very funny is people grabbing Rail or Combat rifles, rushing in as they did with an AR, and getting smoked. Everyone will cry that AR is too OP and new rifles suck, but they'll never realize that Rail and Combat rifles are designed around medium-to-long range supremacy. At that point, *everyone's* tears will be delicious.
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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
3438
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Posted - 2013.10.22 22:45:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:AR victims will still cry even when the changes go into place. Just watch, the next qq will be about SCR...
And rightly so. The ASCR is a better weapon in all aspects save for armor damage. Better range, round-abouts the same DPS, absolutely no muzzle climb... Resource costs kinda suck but considering that it's meant to be used with the Amarr suits and they usually have a bonus for it (reduced feedback damage or reduced heat build up) it's a moot point. Contributing fact: Even without skills it's almost impossible to over heat it unless you're holding down the trigger for multiple magazines.
As an AR user I think the optimal (NOT the effective..) should be dialed down to 30m instead of 40m, but in the same turn I think the ASCR's damage needs to be reduced so that the Assault Rifle, having the lowest range, should be top-dog in terms of damage output. |
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Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1188
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Posted - 2013.10.22 22:51:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Mass Heals wrote:PADDEHATPIGEN wrote:Michael Arck wrote:AR victims will still cry even when the changes go into place. Just watch, the next qq will be about SCR... OH YEAH. Overheat mechanic on the scrambler rifle is based time, this Means that with a modded controller you can fire 17 rounds EXTREMLY fast, and i promice you, when players find out it will be abused, you only have to be carefull that you dont fire more then 17 rounds, you overheat at nr.18. So 17 reload, 17 reload ect, or just let it cool Down before you fire Again. Actually, My SCR friend tested this and its 20 rounds before overheating... with proto amarr of course. Its 22-24 rounds before overheat with my fingers (Amarr assault V and Scrambler V), since its based on time, better specced fingers can get more lazor out of the barrel in the same time :p I used to play Track & Field on commodore 64....back when they were hot ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DaPtjhIC9g), i am sure i did better back then though lol Edit: poor fingers/wrists when i think back on it Haha yea, that, or turbo controllers. |
Meeko Fent
expert intervention Caldari State
1247
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Posted - 2013.10.22 22:56:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Inb4 rail rifle is OP just because its Caldari they dont want us to have nice things You do realize that the RR is going to be a long ranged breach AR, right?
*Looks at breach AR*
*Starts crying* |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1901
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Posted - 2013.10.22 22:57:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Cosgar wrote:AR tears are going to be so delicious. You still don't get it Cosgar.... the only reason why we all use the AR right now, is because all the other variations sucks. Ones we have more choices... you'll see AR users using other weapons in the same category. I personally think that YOUR tears are going to be delicious.... Apparently you don't get it. There won't be an all powerful generalist weapon anymore. Tryhards are going to have to give up something to get something out of the different racial weapons for once. No more plasma killing people from outside of rendering distance, more than one weapon damage profile to exploit, and the joy of watching AR nerds crying that their "I win button" finally has a weakness.
You seem to have this illusion that if the AR gets nerfed you going to became an amazing player, and everyone else a Scrub. That isn't going to happen...People "prefers" the AR, that doesn't means that they can't kill you with other weapons.
Your personal vendetta against the AR only prove one thing .... YOU are the scrub. |
Meeko Fent
expert intervention Caldari State
1247
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Posted - 2013.10.22 23:05:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Michael Arck wrote:AR victims will still cry even when the changes go into place. Just watch, the next qq will be about SCR... And rightly so. The ASCR is a better weapon in all aspects save for armor damage. Better range, round-abouts the same DPS, absolutely no muzzle climb... Resource costs kinda suck but considering that it's meant to be used with the Amarr suits and they usually have a bonus for it (reduced feedback damage or reduced heat build up) it's a moot point. Contributing fact: Even without skills it's almost impossible to over heat it unless you're holding down the trigger for multiple magazines. As an AR user I think the optimal (NOT the effective..) should be dialed down to 30m instead of 40m, but in the same turn I think the ASCR's damage needs to be reduced so that the Assault Rifle, having the lowest range, should be top-dog in terms of damage output. No muzzle climb?
You ever ADSed with the thing?
Your right in that it does have better shield DPS, but then it drops down to like breach AR level DPS through armor.
It is a better weapon provide you have the skills to get ScR to 4, and can control the recoil, but the AR is a much better general weapon. |
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