DUST Search - REQUEST --- New player survivability.

Oswald Rehnquist wrote:

TempesTVX9 wrote:

I invited a friend of mine and created a new "toon" but every time I jump into a match I get nothing but killed by constant proto gear with no luck at killing. its like the game is made for people who have been playing way longer. I liked the concept of the battle academy way back when.... but this new thing... I got the required WP in a tad more then a match. Now how am I supposed to make money if all I do is die? I formaly request that either make a match type where u can only use militia gear or bring back the longer starter academy (which still needs to be longer).

Thank you much

-TempesTVX9

P.S. I reeeeeeeeaally hope u look at this CCP.

I was actuality more sympathetic to the "new player" plight before I've actually introduced new players to the game because when I was first introducing players I was heavily warning them that they would be constantly losing but that it was ok because I still wanted them to play and not get discouraged. Funny enough all of them were able to jump straight into the game with ratios ranging from .7-1.3 and taught them to not run with more than they are willing to lose.

And this was before 1.4 where the TTK was more of an hurdle for new players (and before and after the creation of the academy). The current TTK is so low that the distance between proto and militia is a lot smaller thus better it is even easier to start the game now that it was before that if you are having trouble killing people, then you really do need to brush up on the basic dust mechanics because starter fits are in fact viable. Which when demonstrating the game for them was able to run positive kdr while never having ran medium frames or ars before, this was also before creation of the academy or matchmaker.

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TempesTVX9 ROGUE SPADES EoN. 0	Posted - 2013.10.18 00:46:00 - [1] - Quote I invited a friend of mine and created a new "toon" but every time I jump into a match I get nothing but killed by constant proto gear with no luck at killing. its like the game is made for people who have been playing way longer. I liked the concept of the battle academy way back when.... but this new thing... I got the required WP in a tad more then a match. Now how am I supposed to make money if all I do is die? I formaly request that either make a match type where u can only use militia gear or bring back the longer starter academy (which still needs to be longer). Thank you much -TempesTVX9 P.S. I reeeeeeeeaally hope u look at this CCP.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3301	Posted - 2013.10.18 00:48:00 - [2] - Quote TempesTVX9 wrote: I invited a friend of mine and created a new "toon" but every time I jump into a match I get nothing but killed by constant proto gear with no luck at killing. its like the game is made for people who have been playing way longer. I liked the concept of the battle academy way back when.... but this new thing... I got the required WP in a tad more then a match. Now how am I supposed to make money if all I do is die? I formaly request that either make a match type where u can only use militia gear or bring back the longer starter academy (which still needs to be longer). Thank you much -TempesTVX9 P.S. I reeeeeeeeaally hope u look at this CCP. It essentially is, though unlike EVE you cannot avoid fighting your enemies until you think you are ready.
TempesTVX9 ROGUE SPADES EoN. 1	Posted - 2013.10.18 01:10:00 - [3] - Quote yes and that's what gets on my nerves... I have trouble building up cash and barely get over 15 sets of beginning gear... put more cash/SP output into each game so ppl can get some sort of survivability and actually like the game...
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 830	Posted - 2013.10.18 01:32:00 - [4] - Quote Here it is! Right on time! Another post regarding the very strange matchmaking mechanism in DUST. We have been asking for Filters to the Battle Finder for nearly a year. We got the odd thing recently that they called a Filter but it was simply a different way to request battles. Interesting but not the Filter we have been requesting. Enabling Proto gear or not, Vehicles or not, several different things or not. What we got is ... not. Keep up the faith, those windmills won't topple on their own.
Oswald Rehnquist Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 310	Posted - 2013.10.18 01:45:00 - [5] - Quote TempesTVX9 wrote: I invited a friend of mine and created a new "toon" but every time I jump into a match I get nothing but killed by constant proto gear with no luck at killing. its like the game is made for people who have been playing way longer. I liked the concept of the battle academy way back when.... but this new thing... I got the required WP in a tad more then a match. Now how am I supposed to make money if all I do is die? I formaly request that either make a match type where u can only use militia gear or bring back the longer starter academy (which still needs to be longer). Thank you much -TempesTVX9 P.S. I reeeeeeeeaally hope u look at this CCP. I was actuality more sympathetic to the "new player" plight before I've actually introduced new players to the game because when I was first introducing players I was heavily warning them that they would be constantly losing but that it was ok because I still wanted them to play and not get discouraged. Funny enough all of them were able to jump straight into the game with ratios ranging from .7-1.3 and taught them to not run with more than they are willing to lose. And this was before 1.4 where the TTK was more of an hurdle for new players (and before and after the creation of the academy). The current TTK is so low that the distance between proto and militia is a lot smaller thus better it is even easier to start the game now that it was before that if you are having trouble killing people, then you really do need to brush up on the basic dust mechanics because starter fits are in fact viable. Which when demonstrating the game for them was able to run positive kdr while never having ran medium frames or ars before, this was also before creation of the academy or matchmaker.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 14	Posted - 2013.10.18 01:55:00 - [6] - Quote TempesTVX9 wrote: I invited a friend of mine and created a new "toon" but every time I jump into a match I get nothing but killed by constant proto gear with no luck at killing. its like the game is made for people who have been playing way longer. I liked the concept of the battle academy way back when.... but this new thing... I got the required WP in a tad more then a match. Now how am I supposed to make money if all I do is die? I formaly request that either make a match type where u can only use militia gear or bring back the longer starter academy (which still needs to be longer). Thank you much -TempesTVX9 P.S. I reeeeeeeeaally hope u look at this CCP. NOPE !!!!!! Don't even entertain this thought CCP. Are you crazy???? I get killed by militia stuff enough and it heats me to the boiling point. We were all rookies at some point or another. TAKE YOUR LUMPS AND DEAL WITH IT !!!!!! I had to and still do so NOTHING should make rookies any different. If anything it should give you motivation to get out there and get better. Hell you come back when you die anyway.
Text Grant Death Firm. 185	Posted - 2013.10.18 02:00:00 - [7] - Quote this topic is something you may be interested in https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115150&find=unread
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 14	Posted - 2013.10.18 02:00:00 - [8] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: TempesTVX9 wrote: I invited a friend of mine and created a new "toon" but every time I jump into a match I get nothing but killed by constant proto gear with no luck at killing. its like the game is made for people who have been playing way longer. I liked the concept of the battle academy way back when.... but this new thing... I got the required WP in a tad more then a match. Now how am I supposed to make money if all I do is die? I formaly request that either make a match type where u can only use militia gear or bring back the longer starter academy (which still needs to be longer). Thank you much -TempesTVX9 P.S. I reeeeeeeeaally hope u look at this CCP. I was actuality more sympathetic to the "new player" plight before I've actually introduced new players to the game because when I was first introducing players I was heavily warning them that they would be constantly losing but that it was ok because I still wanted them to play and not get discouraged. Funny enough all of them were able to jump straight into the game with ratios ranging from .7-1.3 and taught them to not run with more than they are willing to lose. And this was before 1.4 where the TTK was more of an hurdle for new players (and before and after the creation of the academy). The current TTK is so low that the distance between proto and militia is a lot smaller thus better it is even easier to start the game now that it was before that if you are having trouble killing people, then you really do need to brush up on the basic dust mechanics because starter fits are in fact viable. Which when demonstrating the game for them was able to run positive kdr while never having ran medium frames or ars before, this was also before creation of the academy or matchmaker. I had over five hundred kills before I died fifty times. So I know it can be done.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 14	Posted - 2013.10.18 02:06:00 - [9] - Quote TempesTVX9 wrote: yes and that's what gets on my nerves... I have trouble building up cash and barely get over 15 sets of beginning gear... put more cash/SP output into each game so ppl can get some sort of survivability and actually like the game... I almost have enough for a proto suit ( I can't wait !!!! ) and they cost a hell of a lot more so you do the math. I think you have a deal going. You just wait til your running proto's. Then you will be crying broke all the time if your dying a lot. But by then it wont even matter much. Welcome to the world of constant hustles.
Text Grant Death Firm. 185	Posted - 2013.10.18 02:10:00 - [10] - Quote Text Grant wrote: this topic is something you may be interested in https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=115150&find=unread

TempesTVX9 ROGUE SPADES EoN. 1	Posted - 2013.10.18 03:10:00 - [11] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: TempesTVX9 wrote: yes and that's what gets on my nerves... I have trouble building up cash and barely get over 15 sets of beginning gear... put more cash/SP output into each game so ppl can get some sort of survivability and actually like the game... I almost have enough for a proto suit ( I can't wait !!!! ) and they cost a hell of a lot more so you do the math. I think you have a deal going. You just wait til your running proto's. Then you will be crying broke all the time if your dying a lot. But by then it wont even matter much. Welcome to the world of constant hustles. ok u didn't read the first one... I have a proto heavy sentinel.... I know they cost a lot.. im tlking for new NEW characters
Meeko Fent DUST University Ivy League 1222	Posted - 2013.10.18 05:11:00 - [12] - Quote Again, filters. That would solve everything.
Kal Kronos L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 80	Posted - 2013.10.18 05:12:00 - [13] - Quote I posted a suggestion for more starting SP a while back, got a CPM post and lot of butt hurt people that have been playing for awhile. I still think new guys need more SP to start out with in the current MM, and no I don't think they need to go through what I went through to become competent. People should be able to get a friend into the game at a point where skill at least has a chance to beat meta. Recently meta is all going towards shorter ttk, through prof and comp damage mods though so I am skeptical as to how this game will attract and keep new players.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 15	Posted - 2013.10.18 05:47:00 - [14] - Quote TempesTVX9 wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: TempesTVX9 wrote: yes and that's what gets on my nerves... I have trouble building up cash and barely get over 15 sets of beginning gear... put more cash/SP output into each game so ppl can get some sort of survivability and actually like the game... I almost have enough for a proto suit ( I can't wait !!!! ) and they cost a hell of a lot more so you do the math. I think you have a deal going. You just wait til your running proto's. Then you will be crying broke all the time if your dying a lot. But by then it wont even matter much. Welcome to the world of constant hustles. ok u didn't read the first one... I have a proto heavy sentinel.... I know they cost a lot.. im tlking for new NEW characters I looked at this and I have said that before. What you are doing right now , trying to create a character without AURUM materials. I wanted to know how much fun it would be and how long someone would enjoy playing with that character. You just answered my question. I understood what you were saying but I still don't think that they should change because ... let's face it ... your fellow merc's won't be nice or hold your hand. They didn't hold mines and I don't expect them to hold anyone else's. This game is about annihilating your opponent so what's mild about that ???? People quit because they feel like they can get something more , somewhere else , now what that something else is only they can tell you. I have seen post's from ex-players saying that they left because of the game style and play. Some left because they felt like they were paying to win and they felt that they shouldn't have to go that route. I haven't played a NICE and GENTLE killing game yet. I play this game , so that one day I can see my name on the top twenty of that majestic kill board. I'm going to tell you what someone told me once about this game , that I'm sure you know already ," if you leave this game then it just wasn't for you anyway." I felt angry when I seen that but I had to realize that it was just the truth. They won't get new players by being easy. They will get them when they FINALLY begin to incorporate the necessary changes that the player base want's and that they know they need to do because it's only right. Then once they satisfy the base ONLY then will it grow. That's not hard to understand because that will make this game GREAT like it's foundation. All it needs now is to be built solidly.
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 319	Posted - 2013.10.18 06:27:00 - [15] - Quote I have 5 fittings i use very often in pub matches that all cost under 10k. With those numbers even if i die 10x in a match for most matches i will still make money. My favorite fitting right now is my assault with a scrambler this fitting costs me 4k. Only thing better than using cheap fittings is costing the enemy a proto fitting and them double tapping their corpse before someone revives them :)
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 233	Posted - 2013.10.18 06:33:00 - [16] - Quote matchmaking is a lie. random n00bs get put against proto veteran squads. Kinda obvious what happends when you bring militia gear to the match. But you can allways rely on the militia shotgun for some trolls. Forgegun works too.
Karl Koekwaus Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 194	Posted - 2013.10.18 06:39:00 - [17] - Quote Don't play like rambo. Dusts gameplay takes a while to get used to, stick to teammates and move as a group.
TempesTVX9 Unkn0wn Killers 1	Posted - 2013.10.22 12:05:00 - [18] - Quote I believe when they started this game CCP stated "this game wont be pay to win." now I could possibly be wrong here.. I will look through the interviews... but using aurum to start... I believe that is *PAYING TO WIN*.... exactly the opposite of wat they said. now please correct me if im wrong bout that Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui. yes I am naming u not to insult u but to point out. I mean no offence I promise.
TempesTVX9 Unkn0wn Killers 2	Posted - 2013.10.22 12:11:00 - [19] - Quote here is the quote. "CCP's chief marketing officer, David Reid, has compared this model to that of League of Legends. Reid has said that Dust 514 is not a "pay-to-win" game. While some equipment can be purchased with Aurum, the only benefit is a slightly different skin and lower skill requirements. Since the skills in question actually improve the performance of the equipment, performance of the Aurum-bought gear will actually be slightly sub-par unless the skills are trained anyway.[35]" END QUOTE. this proves u should be able to start a toon WITHOUT AURUM! again only trying to prove my point not trying to offend.
Draco Cerberus Hell's Gate Inc 423	Posted - 2013.10.22 12:22:00 - [20] - Quote This topic may also be of interest to you: Open World Dust:Battle Options.



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