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Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 400	Posted - 2013.10.17 04:45:00 - [1] - Quote I know it's an amazing gun, but I feel the TAR had more zoom than the superior version. It's not fair because I don't use mouse and keyboard to be freakishly accurate with it.
Meeko Fent DUST University Ivy League 1212	Posted - 2013.10.17 04:50:00 - [2] - Quote I would appreciate an actual scope for my trusty ScR. Might help melt Gallente Souls from farther off, where their weapons are harder to use.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1853	Posted - 2013.10.17 04:50:00 - [3] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: I know it's an amazing gun, but I feel the TAR had more zoom than the superior version. It's not fair because I don't use mouse and keyboard to be freakishly accurate with it. But Reflex sight gives its an important tool for Mid/CQ engagements,something the TAR hasnt.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 561	Posted - 2013.10.17 04:52:00 - [4] - Quote i use the scram rifle so i can't argue with OP.
ReGnYuM MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1111	Posted - 2013.10.17 04:55:00 - [5] - Quote The OP is one the justifications for why I Proto-PuBStomp: Noobs will only learn, when being crushed !
Rei Shepard Spectre II 688	Posted - 2013.10.17 04:56:00 - [6] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: I know it's an amazing gun, but I feel the TAR had more zoom than the superior version. It's not fair because I don't use mouse and keyboard to be freakishly accurate with it. Scrambler Rifle scope is perfect as it is, take it from someone that does 30 kills per game on average with it, more zoom on it and it will prolly destroy the gun.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1471	Posted - 2013.10.17 04:59:00 - [7] - Quote As a player I say yes. As a minmatar scout I say go to hell.
Meeko Fent DUST University Ivy League 1212	Posted - 2013.10.17 05:05:00 - [8] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: The OP is one the justifications for why I Proto-PuBStomp: Noobs will only learn, when being crushed ! Ah huh. You are the reason player retention is so low.
Protocake JR Ancient Exiles 759	Posted - 2013.10.17 05:08:00 - [9] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: I know it's an amazing gun, but I feel the TAR had more zoom than the superior version. It's not fair because I don't use mouse and keyboard to be freakishly accurate with it. Scrambler Rifle scope is perfect as it is, take it from someone that does 30 kills per game on average with it, more zoom on it and it will prolly destroy the gun. In its current instance, the gun works for both Cqc and long range, more zoom will destroy Adsing in cqc completely. More zoom plus Amarr assault would just turn the scrambler rifle into the OP prenerf TAR but with less recoil, bigger magazine and a charge shot ability. If by destroy, you mean become so OP that CCP would nerf it into garbage bin, then you are correct.
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 655	Posted - 2013.10.17 05:08:00 - [10] - Quote ScrR - short to medium TAR - medium to long range

Rei Shepard Spectre II 688	Posted - 2013.10.17 05:23:00 - [11] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: I know it's an amazing gun, but I feel the TAR had more zoom than the superior version. It's not fair because I don't use mouse and keyboard to be freakishly accurate with it. Scrambler Rifle scope is perfect as it is, take it from someone that does 30 kills per game on average with it, more zoom on it and it will prolly destroy the gun. In its current instance, the gun works for both Cqc and long range, more zoom will destroy Adsing in cqc completely. More zoom plus Amarr assault would just turn the scrambler rifle into the OP prenerf TAR but with less recoil, bigger magazine and a charge shot ability. If by destroy, you mean become so OP that CCP would nerf it into garbage bin, then you are correct. Didn't see the CQC part. As long as you can hipfire, the Scr would still be OP. The gun right now does not jump much (recoil) if you can have more zoom on the gun, the same amount of recoil will result in more jump, resulting in less accurate shots when firing fast. At range it will completely dominate with a bigger zoom, stuff that could run because of the scrappy scope would be picked off with pin point precision, trust me ive been there at the point of "if i had more zoom i could headshot that guy on the ridge" At cqc i Ads up to 3m away from me, for me this gun is perfect because it allows me to ads, more zoom and we have another TAC, wich has its own niche to fill, though like you say we can still hipfire it would just be a Better Version of the old Tac because of the chargeshot. I prolly will be going 50+/0 on average with it after the zoom change instead of 30+ and then they "destroy" it into a squirtgun and ill be forced to use my Duvolle again.
Protocake JR Ancient Exiles 760	Posted - 2013.10.17 05:32:00 - [12] - Quote Dang, you really ADS that close? I run the imperial quite differently. I hipfire spam in cqc then switch to my subMG before I overheat. (Then back again to the imperial if the framerate gods are angered. I hate PC sometimes.)
We are 138 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 402	Posted - 2013.10.17 05:35:00 - [13] - Quote ^ what he said is true... he had no prob killing me with his SR last night even my mighty exile AR was no match before its fury
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2782	Posted - 2013.10.17 05:39:00 - [14] - Quote I'd keep the zoom/scope on the current assault scramblers, but maybe bump the zoom on the semi-auto to TAR levels.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 688	Posted - 2013.10.17 05:42:00 - [15] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: Dang, you really ADS that close? I run the imperial quite differently. I hipfire spam in cqc then switch to my subMG before I overheat. (Then back again to the imperial if the framerate gods are angered. I hate PC sometimes.) I almost never swap to my sidearm, unless i am out of rounds. The cqc hipfire is something i kept from my ABR reloaded days as you can see here but due to the bad controls its not at the same level yet, if it was idd be doing 90% accuracy and only using charged shots even in cqc while Adsing, Dust KBM needs work to make that happen.
Raskutor DUST University Ivy League 12	Posted - 2013.10.17 05:44:00 - [16] - Quote I love the ScR just the way it is, but at the same time would make one very minor change: I would like the sight itself to be just slightly more transparent. As it is now, there are some situations where is seems the gold-ish hue of the sight basically washes out what it is you're aiming at. Then again, it could be my tv settings.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 688	Posted - 2013.10.17 06:02:00 - [17] - Quote We are 138 wrote: ^ what he said is true... he had no prob killing me with his SR last night even my mighty exile AR was no match before its fury Dont bring a knife to a gunfight :p
Raz Warsaw Capital Acquisitions LLC Public Disorder. 18	Posted - 2013.10.17 06:19:00 - [18] - Quote No remove the red dot and give me an iron sight
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1256	Posted - 2013.10.17 06:20:00 - [19] - Quote I use the rifle mainly due to the sight. If I could get the same sight on a TAR I'd use that instead, the current TAR sight has too much zoom IMO.
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 309	Posted - 2013.10.17 06:22:00 - [20] - Quote I really like its current sight its not great for very long range but its not supposed to be a sniper rifle either.

Rei Shepard Spectre II 690	Posted - 2013.10.17 06:25:00 - [21] - Quote KingBabar wrote: I use the rifle mainly due to the sight. If I could get the same sight on a TAR I'd use that instead, the current TAR sight has too much zoom IMO. Give this guy a cigar!
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1256	Posted - 2013.10.17 07:20:00 - [22] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: KingBabar wrote: I use the rifle mainly due to the sight. If I could get the same sight on a TAR I'd use that instead, the current TAR sight has too much zoom IMO. Give this guy a cigar! Much appriciated! Its still glowing.
Protocake JR Ancient Exiles 760	Posted - 2013.10.17 09:05:00 - [23] - Quote KingBabar, I remember during a PC you asked if you could "test" the scrambler rifle. I was just wondering what your opinion is on it vs whatever you usually use.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3259	Posted - 2013.10.17 10:32:00 - [24] - Quote Doc Noah wrote: ScrR - short to medium TAR - medium to long range You are an idiot. BLASTER tech aka the TAR- Short Range, Medium in the case of the TAR LASER tech aka the ScR- MEDIUM TO LONG RANGE. AScR is pulse laser tech which operates at a much lower range than beam lasers, though comparably it does fire further than most rapid fire turret types in EVE.
DildoMcnutz Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 287	Posted - 2013.10.17 10:46:00 - [25] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Doc Noah wrote: ScrR - short to medium TAR - medium to long range You are an idiot. BLASTER tech aka the TAR- Short Range, Medium in the case of the TAR LASER tech aka the ScR- MEDIUM TO LONG RANGE. AScR is pulse laser tech which operates at a much lower range than beam lasers, though comparably it does fire further than most rapid fire turret types in EVE. Have you used the TAR? Its effective range is considerably further than the scrambler rifle, the TAR is closer to the laser rifle in range. Im not saying its better but he isn't an idiot because his statement is actually true.
Protocake JR Ancient Exiles 762	Posted - 2013.10.17 10:57:00 - [26] - Quote DildoMcnutz wrote: True Adamance wrote: Doc Noah wrote: ScrR - short to medium TAR - medium to long range You are an idiot. BLASTER tech aka the TAR- Short Range, Medium in the case of the TAR LASER tech aka the ScR- MEDIUM TO LONG RANGE. AScR is pulse laser tech which operates at a much lower range than beam lasers, though comparably it does fire further than most rapid fire turret types in EVE. Have you used the TAR? Its effective range is considerably further than the scrambler rifle, the TAR is closer to the laser rifle in range. Im not saying its better but he isn't an idiot because his statement is actually true. Yeah, lore does not directly translate into how it is in the actual gameplay.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1257	Posted - 2013.10.17 11:03:00 - [27] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: KingBabar, I remember during a PC you asked if you could "test" the scrambler rifle. I was just wondering what your opinion is on it vs whatever you usually use. In that CB I did fairly good with the SCR, but that really doesn't say that much since we were totally dominating STB. When the lag gods are angry it becomes almost useless, just like the TAC AR. I use the SCR as an replacement for the TAC AR, which doesn't work for me due to too much zoom on the scope, I will typically give a lot of damage but not kill the dude. If I could fit the SCR scope on the TAC AR I would be very happy. I use the SCR: - The scope is the second best in the game for my playstyle. (After the SMGs) - Being a single shot weapon I don't really need to carry a nanohive, which is great cause I can use it on the much faster and more fun assault suit. The sidearm is also nice to have since the overheat limits you in some situations. This alows me to have the assault suit + scanner combo that I like so much, with a full auto AR securing enough ammo would be a constant problem. - Having the Amarr assault suit would be much better, I plan on getting it in the future. - Both the TAC AR and the SCR is just so much more fun to use rather than the full auto AR, tapping R1 frantically instead of just holding it down makes the game a lot more fun to me. - I could run a pimped up assault suit with a Duvolle but its just too much of an EZ-mode, so I try to only use my Duvolle on the proto logi suit for CBs. I fear many will get in the face the day the new guns come and/or the full auto AR gets a much deserved nerf.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 691	Posted - 2013.10.17 12:22:00 - [28] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: KingBabar wrote: I use the rifle mainly due to the sight. If I could get the same sight on a TAR I'd use that instead, the current TAR sight has too much zoom IMO. Give this guy a cigar! Much appriciated! Its still glowing. No worries, hands another one...just in case!
Protected Void STRONG-ARMED BANDITS Public Disorder. 155	Posted - 2013.10.17 12:47:00 - [29] - Quote I'm more or less a full time ScR user, and I think the sights are perfect. Muzzle flash, not so much.
ReGnYuM MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1112	Posted - 2013.10.17 13:29:00 - [30] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: The OP is one the justifications for why I Proto-PuBStomp: Noobs will only learn, when being crushed ! Ah huh. You are the reason player retention is so low. Ah huh You're the reason player skill is so low Bad players teaching bad habits

Rei Shepard Spectre II 691	Posted - 2013.10.17 14:19:00 - [31] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: The OP is one the justifications for why I Proto-PuBStomp: Noobs will only learn, when being crushed ! Ah huh. You are the reason player retention is so low. Ah huh You're the reason player skill is so low Bad players teaching bad habits Most people have slow to average reaction times or bad motor control or a combination between, SP, Equipment & tactics + teamwork alleviates this a little but at their core they won't ever even try to get better at their flaws themselves, so bassically their foundation everything build on is made of cardboard, hence why 70% on PC grabs for Aimbots & hacks.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 1866	Posted - 2013.10.17 17:16:00 - [32] - Quote Doc Noah wrote: ScrR - short to medium TAR - medium to long range THIS IS CORRECT, although it should be the other way around : /
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3305	Posted - 2013.10.18 01:31:00 - [33] - Quote DildoMcnutz wrote: True Adamance wrote: Doc Noah wrote: ScrR - short to medium TAR - medium to long range You are an idiot. BLASTER tech aka the TAR- Short Range, Medium in the case of the TAR LASER tech aka the ScR- MEDIUM TO LONG RANGE. AScR is pulse laser tech which operates at a much lower range than beam lasers, though comparably it does fire further than most rapid fire turret types in EVE. Have you used the TAR? Its effective range is considerably further than the scrambler rifle, the TAR is closer to the laser rifle in range. Im not saying its better but he isn't an idiot because his statement is actually true. That's not the point. I'm comparing Laser Tech to Blaster Tech. And light always travels further than plasma as dictated by physics in New Eden. Okay he is not an idiot.... just saying its not hard to learn about the game that...well encompasses our own.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3305	Posted - 2013.10.18 01:33:00 - [34] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: DildoMcnutz wrote: True Adamance wrote: Doc Noah wrote: ScrR - short to medium TAR - medium to long range You are an idiot. BLASTER tech aka the TAR- Short Range, Medium in the case of the TAR LASER tech aka the ScR- MEDIUM TO LONG RANGE. AScR is pulse laser tech which operates at a much lower range than beam lasers, though comparably it does fire further than most rapid fire turret types in EVE. Have you used the TAR? Its effective range is considerably further than the scrambler rifle, the TAR is closer to the laser rifle in range. Im not saying its better but he isn't an idiot because his statement is actually true. Yeah, lore does not directly translate into how it is in the actual gameplay. It should though, its not lore, its the parent games laws not translating to its child.
Joel II X AHPA 42	Posted - 2013.10.18 01:34:00 - [35] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: As a player I say yes. As a minmatar scout I say go to hell. Funny. I use the assault version on my Gallente Scout.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1120	Posted - 2013.10.18 01:37:00 - [36] - Quote Bahahahahah hahah yeaaaaa... oh wha.. You were serious?!
Protocake JR Ancient Exiles 769	Posted - 2013.10.18 01:47:00 - [37] - Quote True Adamance wrote: DildoMcnutz wrote: True Adamance wrote: Doc Noah wrote: ScrR - short to medium TAR - medium to long range You are an idiot. BLASTER tech aka the TAR- Short Range, Medium in the case of the TAR LASER tech aka the ScR- MEDIUM TO LONG RANGE. AScR is pulse laser tech which operates at a much lower range than beam lasers, though comparably it does fire further than most rapid fire turret types in EVE. Have you used the TAR? Its effective range is considerably further than the scrambler rifle, the TAR is closer to the laser rifle in range. Im not saying its better but he isn't an idiot because his statement is actually true. That's not the point. I'm comparing Laser Tech to Blaster Tech. And light always travels further than plasma as dictated by physics in New Eden. Okay he is not an idiot.... just saying its not hard to learn about the game that...well encompasses our own. Except in Dust 514.


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