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Alpha 443-6732 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 127	Posted - 2013.10.13 00:45:00 - [1] - Quote Ran a 6 man squad today. We had played skirmish. Our strategy was to use the dropship as a squad and raid/blitz objectives. We would drop in to an empty hostile objective, attempt to destroy uplinks and hack everything before the enemy could spawn in and then leave for the next objective. It was an effective strategy for the pub matches we were playing in. Here's the problem. With 5 other people using the dropship AND a defend order on the dropship, the dropship user could barely make it over 400 WP on our best games. This is true, even despite the fact we were earning 2-3 orbitals per match! Don't even consider that the dropship pilot wasn't doing their job properly, as this is not the case. The new WP system for dropships is nice, but is simply not enough. I suggest increasing the duration of the timer for pilot WPs and the percentage, while adding in 5-15 WPs per mCRU spawn. It would likely make the playstyle worth the work. If you doubled the percentage (30%) and extended the timer (2 minutes), I bet he would have gotten about 1000 WP instead. He would have earned it! We were coordinating and putting a lot of effort into this strategy. If you are so worried about farming WPs via mCRU, just make it 10 WPs instead of the usual 15 (since a dropship is equivalent to a permanent and more reliable uplink). On a final note, dropships are seemingly slightly more potent and balanced, now that we are being rewarded for playing them how they were designed (now, we just need a better incentive!). We still used the small turrets, but we only really relied on them when we were suppressing/taking tanks down. The turrets were used as more of a support tool, as intended (not because of the damage, but how vulnerable the dropship is. The turrets still need the accuracy fixed, sadly).
Alpha 443-6732 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 129	Posted - 2013.10.13 01:02:00 - [2] - Quote No comments?
Tectonica Fusionus Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.10.13 01:05:00 - [3] - Quote Evening all.
Alpha 443-6732 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 129	Posted - 2013.10.13 01:07:00 - [4] - Quote CCP this is so easy to fix, you could do it in a hotifx. Why not?
KenKaniff69 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 564	Posted - 2013.10.13 01:11:00 - [5] - Quote I had a pilot drop me off yesterday and I proceeded to earn roughly 250-300 WP in under the first min. Sure enough he received zero WP. He had a halo on his incubus and everything, but no WP were earned.
Alpha 443-6732 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 130	Posted - 2013.10.13 01:12:00 - [6] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: I had a pilot drop me off yesterday and I proceeded to earn roughly 250-300 WP in under the first min. Sure enough he received zero WP. He had a halo on his incubus and everything, but no WP were earned. A minimum of 100m displacement needs to be achieved before any WPs may be earned. This might be your problem.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2267	Posted - 2013.10.13 01:18:00 - [7] - Quote After reading the title I was all set to explain why nobody was using your dropship. Then I read your post and learned the someone was actually using the dropship as an assault troop carrier. My heart leapt at the news! Then the explanation grounded it. Pilots definitely need a greater reward. CCP needs to encourage more pilots to learn to fly and take up the role of assault transport if larger maps are to become viable.
Alpha 443-6732 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 130	Posted - 2013.10.13 01:21:00 - [8] - Quote Skihids wrote: After reading the title I was all set to explain why nobody was using your dropship. Then I read your post and learned the someone was actually using the dropship as an assault troop carrier. My heart leapt at the news! Then the explanation grounded it. Pilots definitely need a greater reward. CCP needs to encourage more pilots to learn to fly and take up the role of assault transport if larger maps are to become viable. It was actually loads of fun and everyone in the squad was willing to cooperate. Leaping feet first into danger is no child's play.
Soulja Ghostface MCDUSTDONALDS 136	Posted - 2013.10.13 01:26:00 - [9] - Quote Exploit alert: before hot dropping your squad into an objective let them off some other far-away place. then tell the green dots to get back in, then let them fall into a danger zone
Alpha 443-6732 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 130	Posted - 2013.10.13 01:29:00 - [10] - Quote Soulja Ghostface wrote: Exploit alert: before hot dropping your squad into an objective let them off some other far-away place. then tell the green dots to get back in, then let them fall into a danger zone Interesting. It resets the displacement tracking?

Adelia Lafayette DUST University Ivy League 367	Posted - 2013.10.13 01:30:00 - [11] - Quote should probably be changed so its 100m or 60 seconds in the dropship to trigger the wp gain. Some other tweaking and the mcru wp are sorely needed. Also vehicle scan!!!!!!!
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 276	Posted - 2013.10.13 01:56:00 - [12] - Quote Make the DS pilot the team lead then any wp squad members gain he gets a commision on. Have him also run with an active scanner, ass soon as you drop into an area scan and if anyone he scans gets killed he gets lead commision + scan commision. Then once a orbital is earned scan just before dropping it and you get points for the kills of the orbital plus points for scanning.
Alpha 443-6732 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 132	Posted - 2013.10.13 01:58:00 - [13] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: Make the DS pilot the team lead then any wp squad members gain he gets a commision on. Have him also run with an active scanner, ass soon as you drop into an area scan and if anyone he scans gets killed he gets lead commision + scan commision. Then once a orbital is earned scan just before dropping it and you get points for the kills of the orbital plus points for scanning. But if he can't even earn mediocre points even when he's leader, why bother?
Thurak1 Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 276	Posted - 2013.10.13 02:02:00 - [14] - Quote He should be able to earn decent WP's doing that. between the transport commision the scan commision and squad lead commision he should get a good amount of wp's.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1124	Posted - 2013.10.13 02:03:00 - [15] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: I had a pilot drop me off yesterday and I proceeded to earn roughly 250-300 WP in under the first min. Sure enough he received zero WP. He had a halo on his incubus and everything, but no WP were earned. Assuming that it's supposed to work for all vehicles (it said transport points, not DS points. Just sayin), it's broken across the board.
crazy space 1 Unkn0wn Killers 1825	Posted - 2013.10.13 02:39:00 - [16] - Quote it's only for dropships Also they should increase the rewards because that sounds awful. Or maybe just increase the timer.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 29	Posted - 2013.10.13 02:53:00 - [17] - Quote our dropship pilot gets 2500 WPs per match... that was BEFORE the WP changes...
KenKaniff69 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 568	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:39:00 - [18] - Quote Alpha 443-6732 wrote: KenKaniff69 wrote: I had a pilot drop me off yesterday and I proceeded to earn roughly 250-300 WP in under the first min. Sure enough he received zero WP. He had a halo on his incubus and everything, but no WP were earned. A minimum of 100m displacement needs to be achieved before any WPs may be earned. This might be your problem. I was transported from the mcc to a central objective in skirmish.
pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 96	Posted - 2013.10.13 03:50:00 - [19] - Quote i dont think its necessarily broken, ccp is afraid of it being OP. so theyknowingly release it somewhat UP and tweak it, as per DS pilot feedback( ex commando suit, reactive plates, plasma canon, ect ) im sure changes are in the works scheduled for SOON
Alpha 443-6732 843 Boot Camp 135	Posted - 2013.10.13 04:50:00 - [20] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: our dropship pilot gets 2500 WPs per match... that was BEFORE the WP changes... Doing what, exactly?

Alpha 443-6732 843 Boot Camp 136	Posted - 2013.10.13 04:52:00 - [21] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: He should be able to earn decent WP's doing that. between the transport commision the scan commision and squad lead commision he should get a good amount of wp's. But that involves the pilot landing the ship in the heat of battle, which is a big no no unless you are fighting bads.
Skihids Bullet Cluster 2268	Posted - 2013.10.13 05:30:00 - [22] - Quote It's simple. The pilot needs to be rewarded commensurate with the risk he is taking and the skill required to do the job.
Alpha 443-6732 843 Boot Camp 141	Posted - 2013.10.13 15:16:00 - [23] - Quote Skihids wrote: It's simple. The pilot needs to be rewarded commensurate with the risk he is taking and the skill required to do the job.


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