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Galm Fae
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.10.12 06:33:00 -
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Read it and weep people.
Really, not surprising if you ask me. Black Rise has been a mess, it is the perfect place to hide. What isn't a pile of slag is already a battleground with the limited conflict going on.
What we need to focus on is taking specifically Black Rise from Federation hands so we can conduct a search for him without having to deal with the FDU nipping at our heels the whole time. |
steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers EoN.
1541
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Posted - 2013.10.12 10:13:00 -
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Man I hope one your empires Kill that man |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
3822
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Posted - 2013.10.12 13:03:00 -
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I look forward to his demise. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
319
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Posted - 2013.10.12 15:28:00 -
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It sounds as though he's likely spaceborne. Deadspace facilities are both common and difficult to find, though they're also subject to having capsuleers detect activity and turn up if they get noisy. Absent CONCORD protection, that normally isn't healthy for anybody but the capsuleer.
It might be an effective method of staying out of sight, particularly if whatever facility he's at has CONCORD endorsement (which wouldn't imply that CONCORD knows he's there).
Presumably, the FDU, also, would love to get its mitts on the ex-executor, but it's possible that the FDU doesn't know what to look for. Ironically, Tibus Heth may be safest behind the Federal front line. |
DeadlyAztec11
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
2198
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Posted - 2013.10.12 18:46:00 -
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I'd like to interrogate him before we dispose of him. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
3835
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Posted - 2013.10.12 22:31:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I'd like to interrogate him before we dispose of him. Why? |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
2095
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Posted - 2013.10.12 22:44:00 -
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Interesting, the paranoid part of me says it could be a feint but I do tend to over think things from time to time. |
Hunter Junko
Zanzibar Concept
192
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Posted - 2013.10.12 22:54:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I'd like to interrogate him before we dispose of him. Why? many reasons |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2882
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Posted - 2013.10.12 23:10:00 -
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Hunter Junko wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I'd like to interrogate him before we dispose of him. Why? many reasons He won't talk, you know this don't you. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
2095
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Posted - 2013.10.12 23:13:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Hunter Junko wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I'd like to interrogate him before we dispose of him. Why? many reasons He won't talk, you know this don't you.
Oh they know, I imagine the Gallente just want to torture him in the name of "justice". And here they call you Amarr blood thirsty monsters that only know how to beat your slaves to death. |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2882
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Posted - 2013.10.12 23:15:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Hunter Junko wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I'd like to interrogate him before we dispose of him. Why? many reasons He won't talk, you know this don't you. Oh they know, I imagine the Gallente just want to torture him in the name of "justice". And here they call you Amarr blood thirsty monsters that only know how to beat your slaves to death.
If that were true and we did, then the claim would have substance, but it does not.
He wont talk. |
DeadlyAztec11
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
2207
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Posted - 2013.10.13 00:37:00 -
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Yes he will. Though, probably not to conventional methods... No, both Gallante and Minmatar methods are too risky, and especially with his medical condition, he is in no condition to live long enough to reveal anything we do not know.
If it were up to me, I would use virtual torture. It is a mix of Gallante and Caldari methods. The biggest risk involved is that the "subject" will have a heart attack.
Anyhow. I'd rather give him immunity(sanctioned under a federal judge) in exchange for any and all intel he has. |
Hunter Junko
Zanzibar Concept
193
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Posted - 2013.10.13 01:10:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Hunter Junko wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I'd like to interrogate him before we dispose of him. Why? many reasons He won't talk, you know this don't you. i know, but it sure wont stop everyone from trying.
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Dagger-Two
Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords
98
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Posted - 2013.10.13 02:02:00 -
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Based on some of the comments here, I'm glad this is in capsuleer hands.
Exactly what would be the point of your "interrogation" ? You're a CRR mercenary, not a Federal official. Don't think you are more important than you actually are.
Currently there are units within the FDU searching for Heth in Black Rise, with full intent to turn him over to state forces when found.
((Also some stuff you all should know: Tibus' medical condition is out of character knowledge, i.e. not public knowledge, so if you're going to RP, don't bring that up)) |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
319
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Posted - 2013.10.13 03:32:00 -
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Gods and spirits ... soldiers, everybody breaks. That really is the first rule of torture. The question is when. The next couple of questions are whether it's true and whether it's any use even if it is.
Consider: (1) Tibus Heth's knowledge is already months out of date and (2) has been known by the Caldari State to reside in the head of an enemy of the Caldari State (as it currently exists) for pretty much exactly that long.
That's about as compromised as intel gets short of being actually falsified. It's likely to be worth the swift capture of anyone attempting to follow up on it, on the assumption that such a person is a Dragonaur agent.
So ... um, knock yourselves out, I suppose?
(Though, really, the FDU would be better served by turning Heth-hnolku over to the State if you should happen to catch him, assuming you want this war to end at some point.)
Dagger-Two wrote:Based on some of the comments here, I'm glad this is in capsuleer hands. Bluntly, soldier, they're as bad as we are. Possibly worse. We're mostly just a bunch of soldiers with what seem to be some nasty cases of PTSD and the very occasional technologically-induced schitzophrenic.
Capsuleers go cold, quickly, and they do it a bit differently than we do. Hopefully these FDU forces are as responsible as you seem to think. |
Galm Fae
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
112
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Posted - 2013.10.13 04:49:00 -
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We aren't after Heth for information people, and anyone who might be is a fool. The fact is, if captured he will talk. That is the exact danger. He thrives in a political atmosphere, and if given an audience he has the ability to weave any lie he can generate to achieve his ends.
When we go for Heth, we go for blood.
What bothers me is that the hunt for Heth is now synonymous with a war against the Dragonaurs. A manhunt is one thing, a war on terror is another. Hunting down Dragonaurs would take a massive supply of resources and years to carry out just to stabilize a region. Even then, eliminating the every terrorist agent and the Templis Dragonaurs entirely is next to impossible. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2889
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Posted - 2013.10.13 05:31:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:We aren't after Heth for information people, and anyone who might be is a fool. The fact is, if captured he will talk. That is the exact danger. He thrives in a political atmosphere, and if given an audience he has the ability to weave any lie he can generate to achieve his ends.
When we go for Heth, we go for blood.
What bothers me is that the hunt for Heth is now synonymous with a war against the Dragonaurs. A manhunt is one thing, a war on terror is another. Hunting down Dragonaurs would take a massive supply of resources and years to carry out just to stabilize a region. Even then, eliminating the every terrorist agent and the Templis Dragonaurs entirely is next to impossible. But would he really betray the Caldari people.
He may be deeply bitter, but if he is a Dragonaur, he is Caldari to the core. |
Dagger-Two
Villore Joint Task Force Villore Accords
98
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Posted - 2013.10.13 07:41:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: Bluntly, soldier, they're as bad as we are. Possibly worse. We're mostly just a bunch of soldiers with what seem to be some nasty cases of PTSD and the very occasional technologically-induced schitzophrenic.
Capsuleers go cold, quickly, and they do it a bit differently than we do. Hopefully these FDU forces are as responsible as you seem to think. Please remember that the sorts that frequent The Summit and the capsuleer IGS are some of the most essentially sane that capsuleerdom has to offer.
If you check my affiliation, you would see that I work with capsuleers constantly. I have direct contact with many of the most prominent FDU capsuleers. I even speak with the Villore Accord director Julianus Soter on a near daily basis. Some I even spend my free time with.
Believe me, I see far more sanity amongst them than I do amongst most mercenaries. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2896
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Posted - 2013.10.13 08:39:00 -
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Dagger-Two wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: Bluntly, soldier, they're as bad as we are. Possibly worse. We're mostly just a bunch of soldiers with what seem to be some nasty cases of PTSD and the very occasional technologically-induced schitzophrenic.
Capsuleers go cold, quickly, and they do it a bit differently than we do. Hopefully these FDU forces are as responsible as you seem to think. Please remember that the sorts that frequent The Summit and the capsuleer IGS are some of the most essentially sane that capsuleerdom has to offer.
If you check my affiliation, you would see that I work with capsuleers constantly. I have direct contact with many of the most prominent FDU capsuleers. I even speak with the Villore Accord director Julianus Soter on a near daily basis. Some I even spend my free time with. Believe me, I see far more sanity amongst them than I do amongst most mercenaries.
Sanity is debatable when you talk with Ms Ryeon who seems to want to find flaws with everyone's psyches.
You cannot go more than five minutes with the woman before she delves into your earliest childhood memories looking for those gone, as she calls it, "514". |
Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
508
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Posted - 2013.10.13 08:59:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Sanity is debatable when you talk with Ms Ryeon who seems to want to find flaws with everyone's psyches.
You cannot go more than five minutes with the woman before she delves into your earliest childhood memories looking for those gone, as she calls it, "514". And it's a bad thing? Everyone is a little crazy, how much you are is a different thing entirely. |
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Hunter Junko
Zanzibar Concept
194
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Posted - 2013.10.13 10:43:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:We aren't after Heth for information people, and anyone who might be is a fool. The fact is, if captured he will talk. That is the exact danger. He thrives in a political atmosphere, and if given an audience he has the ability to weave any lie he can generate to achieve his ends.
When we go for Heth, we go for blood.
What bothers me is that the hunt for Heth is now synonymous with a war against the Dragonaurs. A manhunt is one thing, a war on terror is another. Hunting down Dragonaurs would take a massive supply of resources and years to carry out just to stabilize a region. Even then, eliminating the every terrorist agent and the Templis Dragonaurs entirely is next to impossible.
somehow, hearing that is making me think that heth wants to be captured.
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Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
319
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Posted - 2013.10.13 15:07:00 -
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Dagger-Two wrote:If you check my affiliation, you would see that I work with capsuleers constantly. I have direct contact with many of the most prominent FDU capsuleers. I even speak with the Villore Accord director Julianus Soter on a near daily basis. Some I even spend my free time with.
Believe me, I see far more sanity amongst them than I do amongst most mercenaries. One major problem with capsuleer dementia, soldier: it's often quite subtle, most comparable to a sort of progressive psychopathy. Watch how they treat losses or kills, check the crew complements involved, and the nature of the issue will become apparent.
Many of us are a little cracked, it's quite true. Would we casually wipe out communities, given the chance? ... I suppose we'll eventually find out. So far, civilians seem to be kept pretty well off our battlefields.
Templar Crusader Ouryon:
It was Galm Fae who coined the phrase "going 514" as a generic term for deep mental illness among clone soldiers. Finding those who are in the process of it doesn't thus far seem too difficult; they tend to be unsubtle. I'm more interested in the typical causes, which so far seem to have less to do with childhood memories than with recent and repeated physical trauma. A few still seem to be under the influence of obsolete implants, though that might itself be a delusion or even a lie.
Please forgive me for taking an interest in what is becoming of us, and in what methods we might use to lengthen your usefulness to your empress. I suppose I presumptuously assumed that you cared. |
Galm Fae
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
113
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Posted - 2013.10.13 21:16:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Dagger-Two wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: Bluntly, soldier, they're as bad as we are. Possibly worse. We're mostly just a bunch of soldiers with what seem to be some nasty cases of PTSD and the very occasional technologically-induced schitzophrenic.
Capsuleers go cold, quickly, and they do it a bit differently than we do. Hopefully these FDU forces are as responsible as you seem to think. Please remember that the sorts that frequent The Summit and the capsuleer IGS are some of the most essentially sane that capsuleerdom has to offer.
If you check my affiliation, you would see that I work with capsuleers constantly. I have direct contact with many of the most prominent FDU capsuleers. I even speak with the Villore Accord director Julianus Soter on a near daily basis. Some I even spend my free time with. Believe me, I see far more sanity amongst them than I do amongst most mercenaries. Sanity is debatable when you talk with Ms Ryeon who seems to want to find flaws with everyone's psyches. You cannot go more than five minutes with the woman before she delves into your earliest childhood memories looking for those gone, as she calls it, "514". Please Adamance, you can't deny the implications of studying our own mental health. Not all in the universe have the mental escapism of your religion to justify their actions, and over time it begins to take its toll. Thankfully as soldiers we are all bound to a relatively weak biological form. Capsuleers on the other hand are supplied with the firepower of an entire nation state with minimal risk to themselves or concern for their crew. So pardon me, but I don't think we should quite be writing off the importance of monitoring mental stability in this blasted universe. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2934
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Posted - 2013.10.13 22:11:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:True Adamance wrote:Dagger-Two wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote: Bluntly, soldier, they're as bad as we are. Possibly worse. We're mostly just a bunch of soldiers with what seem to be some nasty cases of PTSD and the very occasional technologically-induced schitzophrenic.
Capsuleers go cold, quickly, and they do it a bit differently than we do. Hopefully these FDU forces are as responsible as you seem to think. Please remember that the sorts that frequent The Summit and the capsuleer IGS are some of the most essentially sane that capsuleerdom has to offer.
If you check my affiliation, you would see that I work with capsuleers constantly. I have direct contact with many of the most prominent FDU capsuleers. I even speak with the Villore Accord director Julianus Soter on a near daily basis. Some I even spend my free time with. Believe me, I see far more sanity amongst them than I do amongst most mercenaries. Sanity is debatable when you talk with Ms Ryeon who seems to want to find flaws with everyone's psyches. You cannot go more than five minutes with the woman before she delves into your earliest childhood memories looking for those gone, as she calls it, "514". Please Adamance, you can't deny the implications of studying our own mental health. Not all in the universe have the mental escapism of your religion to justify their actions, and over time it begins to take its toll. Thankfully as soldiers we are all bound to a relatively weak biological form. Capsuleers on the other hand are supplied with the firepower of an entire nation state with minimal risk to themselves or concern for their crew. So pardon me, but I don't think we should quite be writing off the importance of monitoring mental stability in this blasted universe.
Oh I understand the importance of it, though I prefer to talk with people who do not spend every second of it analysing me and looking for my mental flaws, which of course their are some, I'm not "514" like some immortals, but scars run deep, talking about them is my business, not something I want dragged out of me or into conversation. Nor something you need to drag out of others. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
320
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Posted - 2013.10.14 03:13:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Oh I understand the importance of it, though I prefer to talk with people who do not spend every second of it analysing me and looking for my mental flaws, which of course their are some, I'm not "514" like some immortals, but scars run deep, talking about them is my business, not something I want dragged out of me or into conversation. Nor something you need to drag out of others. Perhaps that is so-- and yet, I cannot remember having attempted to extract such insights from you, Templar Crusader. Nor have I attempted to extract from any what they did not willingly share that I can remember. Your revelations in my discussion of the topic were your own, made without personal solicitation from myself or any agent of mine I am aware of.
In one breath you praise my honor, in the next you accuse me of prying into your private affairs-- baselessly, as far as I can recall. Is this concern of yours based upon what I have done? Or on what you fear I might? |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2957
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Posted - 2013.10.14 03:24:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:True Adamance wrote:Oh I understand the importance of it, though I prefer to talk with people who do not spend every second of it analysing me and looking for my mental flaws, which of course their are some, I'm not "514" like some immortals, but scars run deep, talking about them is my business, not something I want dragged out of me or into conversation. Nor something you need to drag out of others. Perhaps that is so-- and yet, I cannot remember having attempted to extract such insights from you, Templar Crusader. Nor have I attempted to extract from any what they did not willingly share that I can remember. Your revelations in my discussion of the topic were your own, made without personal solicitation from myself or any agent of mine I am aware of. In one breath you praise my honor, in the next you accuse me of prying into your private affairs-- baselessly, as far as I can recall. Is this concern of yours based upon what I have done? Or on what you fear I might? Both, perhaps. |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
320
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Posted - 2013.10.14 03:49:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Is this concern of yours based upon what I have done? Or on what you fear I might? Both, perhaps. Perhaps.
And yet it cannot be based on what you have already revealed, can it? Raa, the fear of the lethal outside? You revealed that of your own initiative, without any special prompting from me.
Let me be very clear, templar: I study our kind, "our kind" being the clone soldier infomorph subtype. I'm not precisely a scientist, because my methods are more anecdotal than a scientist would find acceptable. I'm not precisely a psychiatrist or psychologist, despite my title. I'm more of a natural philosopher.
I observe behavior that catches my attention-- and yours, presently, is making you very interesting indeed. This may have something to do with having slandered my name, which is something I'd normally consider difficult to do.
Being as this would normally fit under the heading of having wronged an ally, and being as I normally regard PIE to be an honorable entity, the proper approach for me at this point would be to file a detailed complaint with your superior. What happens next will tell me many things.
Do you care to explain why I should not? |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2958
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Posted - 2013.10.14 03:56:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:True Adamance wrote:Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:Is this concern of yours based upon what I have done? Or on what you fear I might? Both, perhaps. Perhaps. And yet it cannot be based on what you have already revealed, can it? Raa, the fear of the lethal outside? You revealed that of your own initiative, without any special prompting from me. Let me be very clear, templar: I study our kind, "our kind" being the clone soldier infomorph subtype. I'm not precisely a scientist, because my methods are more anecdotal than a scientist would find acceptable. I'm not precisely a psychiatrist or psychologist, despite my title. I'm more of a natural philosopher. I observe behavior that catches my attention-- and yours, presently, is making you very interesting indeed. This may have something to do with having slandered my name, which is something I'd normally consider difficult to do. Being as this would normally fit under the heading of having wronged an ally, and being as I normally regard PIE to be an honorable entity, the proper approach for me at this point would be to file a detailed complaint with your superior. What happens next will tell me many things. Do you care to explain why I should not?
((**** that's not good I'm revising that plot point)) |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
320
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Posted - 2013.10.14 03:59:00 -
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((May I suggest undertaking some effort to recover rather than simply redacting it? Challenges overcome are far more interesting than challenges retconned. It actually struck me as a very interesting character quirk-- and the redirection of blame onto Yun Hee exceedingly human and sympathetic, if a little ill-advised.
((She's not exactly your neighborhood shrink, after all. More like a predator with a keen interest in what makes people predatory.)) |
Galm Fae
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
115
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Posted - 2013.10.14 06:55:00 -
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Well Yun Hee, I do believe you have turned a conversation about the universe's most wanted man short of Sansha himself and turned it into yet another philosophical debate about introspection. Well done.
Joking aside, I don't believe any of us have much to fear about Ryeon-haani's inquisitive nature. I personally find it fascinating to watch. If she was really out to collect little gems from our childhood against our will to analyze us, I would be the first to know. You could fill a book--
You could fill several books with things that were wrong about my childhood. |
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steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers EoN.
1548
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Posted - 2013.10.14 07:39:00 -
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Oh god she would have a field day with me. Luckily iv allready been through the 514 phase and am ok again. It's sadly somthing every immortal must phase as soul accepts its no longer human |
Meeko Fent
DUST University Ivy League
1161
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Posted - 2013.10.14 16:19:00 -
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I dont understand exactly what Heth Did.
Gotta read the history books again. |
steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers EoN.
1553
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Posted - 2013.10.14 16:33:00 -
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Put it like this heth put A LOT of effort in trying to wipe us out and was the trigger to rapped decline.
Personly if not for legion evac ships I would not be here |
XANDER KAG
Red Star. EoN.
344
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Posted - 2013.10.14 17:07:00 -
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I thought the purge was only for first gen clones? |
Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
320
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Posted - 2013.10.14 17:45:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:I thought the purge was only for first gen clones? Correct, of whom Templar Steadyhand is or was apparently one. If he still is, an upgrade is probably in order, unless something prevents it.
Templar Steadyhand:
Unless someone can actually point up why first-gens were "going 514," which I hope someone will eventually explain, I'm mostly concerned with the behavior of our class as a whole. Outlying cases are interesting, but what I'm really most concerned with is the direction of the clone soldier as a whole-- our fate, if you like.
At least in part, my concern is self-interested: I want to know what I can expect to happen to me, what sort of creature I am becoming. It's something of a hobby, but I wouldn't say that I do it for fun.
So-- maybe not so much a "field day." I'd be happy for us to talk, however.
Meeko Fent wrote:I dont understand exactly what Heth Did.
Gotta read the history books again. He's one of those figures who's more complicated than people make him out to be, but I'm not sure it makes a great difference, in the end.
He was the Caldari State Executor-- very nearly a dictator-- for the last several years, having risen to power in a popular uprising and gained nigh-unchallenged authority in the aftermath of the Malkalen disaster, in which his primary rival perished. His signature feat was taking advantage of the systemic disruption caused by the Elder Fleet's destruction of the CONCORD bureau at Yulai to invade Gallente space and reconquer Caldari Prime, the Caldari homeworld, in the Luminaire system.
He's been slowly losing support ever since: his policies showed vicious anti-Gallentean sentiment, and he wasn't a particularly good administrator. It all sort of came to a head with the Gallentean push to retake Caldari Prime, which did not end so much with a loss as a stalemate involving a crash-landed titan. Heth essentially burned what good will he retained by ordering the titan's commander to fire her doomsday weapon on the planet (the Caldari homeworld, remember), then forcing her to commit suicide when she refused.
With support declining, he made one brief, mad attempt, with Templis Dragonaur assistance, to seize military assets so as to retake Caldari Prime and rescue his legacy. The Caldari Navy interceded, and the attempt failed, with most Templis forces present killed or captured, though Heth himself escaped. He's now considered a fugitive and an enemy of the Caldari State.
It's easy to dismiss his ideas as xenophobic and simple-minded, but there were places where his influence was very positive. He greatly reformed the Caldari meritocracy, which had been slowly degrading into a sort of plutocratic feudal state. He was a populist leader, which is something we badly needed. The State corporate system will probably remain relatively stable for decades to come as a result of his influence.
We have much to thank him for, but also much cause for anger. His gifts to us came soaked in poisonous hate, and in the end he would have preferred to render the Caldari homeworld uninhabitable than lose it again. Yet, without him, we would remain an unstable plutocracy, and the world the Civire and Deteis call "Home" would remain out of reach in Gallentean hands, instead of being the jointly-administered demilitarized zone it has become. |
SgtDoughnut
Red Star Jr. EoN.
284
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Posted - 2013.10.19 09:41:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Yes he will. Though, probably not to conventional methods... No, both Gallante and Minmatar methods are too risky, and especially with his medical condition, he is in no condition to live long enough to reveal anything we do not know.
If it were up to me, I would use virtual torture. It is a mix of Gallante and Caldari methods. The biggest risk involved is that the "subject" will have a heart attack.
Anyhow. I'd rather give him immunity(sanctioned under a federal judge) in exchange for any and all intel he has.
Actually the biggest risk is brain death, his company invented that torture, many caldari dissidents came home shells of their former selves. |
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