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        |  oOReikaOo
 Brains of Britain
 
 5
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 12:02:00 -
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 I mean the prototype laser doesnt even burn through some of these guys shields...
 
 waste of SP
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        |  RuckingFetard
 Better Hide R Die
 
 564
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 12:06:00 -
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 oOReikaOo wrote:I mean the prototype laser doesnt even burn through some of these guys shields...
 waste of SP
 Learn to Preheat, then fire.
 At least that's what I've been told
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        |  General John Ripper
 TeamPlayers
 EoN.
 
 3217
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 12:08:00 -
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 oOReikaOo wrote:I mean the prototype laser doesnt even burn through some of these guys shields...
 waste of SP
 You are not doing it right.
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        |  Repe Susi
 Rautaleijona
 Top Men.
 
 701
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 12:10:00 -
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 Be inside the optimal range, point somewhere your target can't the see beam if possible, pre-heat and BAM!
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        |  demonkiller 12
 G.U.T.Z
 
 249
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 12:10:00 -
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 General John Ripper wrote:oOReikaOo wrote:I mean the prototype laser doesnt even burn through some of these guys shields...
 waste of SP
 You are not doing it right. teach me in the ways of the mighty, o great one
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        |  True Adamance
 PIE Inc.
 Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
 
 2844
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 12:11:00 -
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 oOReikaOo wrote:I mean the prototype laser doesnt even burn through some of these guys shields...
 waste of SP
 Wow you must suck with the things them.
 
 I'm not even good at this game yet I'm getting games at 20/2 or better with that thing.
 
 Amarrians always are better with their own technology that heathen scum.
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        |  xxwhitedevilxx M
 Maphia Clan Corporation
 
 718
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 12:14:00 -
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 3 dmg mods, amarr assault pro, Viziam Laser and prof at least 3. You melt even MLT lavs.
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        |  General John Ripper
 TeamPlayers
 EoN.
 
 3217
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 12:16:00 -
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 demonkiller 12 wrote:General John Ripper wrote:oOReikaOo wrote:I mean the prototype laser doesnt even burn through some of these guys shields...
 waste of SP
 You are not doing it right. teach me in the ways of the mighty, o great one I will teach you in the ways of the taco. I have accepted you as my apprentice.
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        |  oOReikaOo
 Brains of Britain
 
 5
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 12:18:00 -
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 yep.. im doing something wrong... cause i have no idea what preheating is
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        |  Sylvana Nightwind
 expert intervention
 Caldari State
 
 523
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 12:19:00 -
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 Lasers are useless? :D Hehe, learn to heat it up well and then come back :D
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        |  xxwhitedevilxx M
 Maphia Clan Corporation
 
 720
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 12:20:00 -
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 oOReikaOo wrote:yep.. im doing something wrong... cause i have no idea what preheating is 
 The more the laser rifle heats, the more damage it does, exponentially. so if you pass by at viziam's maximum heat on 500 hp shield, it will simply desegregate.
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        |  True Adamance
 PIE Inc.
 Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
 
 2844
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 12:26:00 -
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 True Adamance wrote:oOReikaOo wrote:I mean the prototype laser doesnt even burn through some of these guys shields...
 waste of SP
  Wow you must suck with the things them. I'm not even good at this game yet I'm getting games at 20/2 or better with that thing. Amarrians always are better with their own technology that heathen scum. Sorry in hind sight that sounds so condescending and arrogant. You don't need Proficiency, or the Amarr Assault. All you need to get the most out of the Laser is a couple of Damage Mods, and a keen sense of timing, since the LR is all about timing and dictating the range of the engagement. So the laser can be used in a couple key ways, I have seen more but these are the primaries. But first you have to understand that the laser works over a period of time, doing very little damage on initial contact and that damage builds up progressively more and more as you hold down the trigger to build up heat, reaching damn near insane levels of damage in the last second before it over heats. Also bear in mind the overheat and lock up is insane on this gun, 225 points of damage to you and a 6 second lock down timer. Also the beam has a weak zone, withing say 25m and a outside or say 120+ M Now the laser can be used in the following ways Stand ad Deliver- Firing the Laser in the standard manner, focusing on one or two targets, initially wounding targets with the low DPS beams, and finishing them off with the late firing high DPS beam. Burn and Deliver- Charging the beam against some piece of terrain, with the intent to build up the damage and suddenly kill with high DPS beams your intended target, you usually do this when there is only one target available to shoot, or your target knows where you are and has shots on you, so that you pop out, punch a hole in his face, and duck back into cover. Staggered Fire- Less common but useful in conjunction with another allied laser rifle. The intent of this beam is to cover a longer period of time firing, but cutting your beams up into second or two second beams. This keeps your personal damage low but lets you firing for as long as you so desire before a reload. Marking, aiding, and finshing enemies in conjuction with your allies. Since the laser fires a beam you want to be high up on the map, or using a ridgeline to lay down fire over open spaces. Sitting just off of objectives allows you to cover hack points as well. Suggest running a CQC side arm or AScR if you use a commando, and nanohives since ammo goes fast. 
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        |  LT SHANKS
 Amarr Templars
 Amarr Empire
 
 609
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 12:26:00 -
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 oOReikaOo wrote:I mean the prototype laser doesnt even burn through some of these guys shields...
 waste of SP
 Amarr Assault + Viziam + PreHeat + Dmg Mods + Proficiency = Suck?
 
 ....wut?
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        |  godhands9
 Black Phoenix Mercenaries
 
 92
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 12:27:00 -
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 lasers are good.just have to learn to use them right.
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        |  Shattered Mirage
 Vehicular Homicide Syndicate
 
 326
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 12:31:00 -
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 You are a bad player if you can't get the lasers to work :P
 
 Two complex damage mods and staying ~70 meters away from the people you want to kill is how it's done. Oh, and go for head shots.
 
 See True Admance's edit for actual advice.
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        |  Viktor Hadah Jr
 Negative-Impact
 Cult of War
 
 483
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 12:38:00 -
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 I preheat on my targets squad mates before killing him....
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        |  oOReikaOo
 Brains of Britain
 
 5
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 12:39:00 -
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 By the time I pre heat , ive wasted half my ammo...
 
 *edit* not to mention the stock sub machine they give me melts players in like 2-3 seconds... what incentive do i have to sit there with a giant laser showing everyone where i am , doing nil dmg for a few seconds
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        |  Repe Susi
 Rautaleijona
 Top Men.
 
 701
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 12:43:00 -
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 oOReikaOo wrote:By the time I pre heat , ive wasted half my ammo... 
 The point is to not pre-heat it too much.
  
 Keep using the laser, you will get the feel of it soon. It's an amazing niche weapon which does need some practice but when it works, it works GOOD.
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        |  True Adamance
 PIE Inc.
 Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
 
 2846
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 12:50:00 -
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 oOReikaOo wrote:By the time I pre heat , ive wasted half my ammo...
 *edit* not to mention the stock sub machine they give me melts players in like 2-3 seconds... what incentive do i have to sit there with a giant laser showing everyone where i am , doing nil dmg for a few seconds
 I'll melt you in less than a second given the chance. Why bother getting within 30M if I can kill you from 80+ in half the time and then move on to your buddy next to you.
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        |  Rei Shepard
 Spectre II
 
 675
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 12:58:00 -
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 True Adamance wrote:oOReikaOo wrote:I mean the prototype laser doesnt even burn through some of these guys shields...
 waste of SP
  Wow you must suck with the things them. I'm not even good at this game yet I'm getting games at 20/2 or better with that thing. Amarrians always are better with their own technology that heathen scum. Sorry in hind sight that sounds so condescending and arrogant. You don't need Proficiency, or the Amarr Assault. All you need to get the most out of the Laser is a couple of Damage Mods, and a keen sense of timing, since the LR is all about timing and dictating the range of the engagement. So the laser can be used in a couple key ways, I have seen more but these are the primaries. But first you have to understand that the laser works over a period of time, doing very little damage on initial contact and that damage builds up progressively more and more as you hold down the trigger to build up heat, reaching damn near insane levels of damage in the last second before it over heats. Also bear in mind the overheat and lock up is insane on this gun, 225 points of damage to you and a 6 second lock down timer. Also the beam has a weak zone, withing say 25m and a outside or say 120+ M Now the laser can be used in the following ways Stand ad Deliver- Firing the Laser in the standard manner, focusing on one or two targets, initially wounding targets with the low DPS beams, and finishing them off with the late firing high DPS beam. Burn and Deliver- Charging the beam against some piece of terrain, with the intent to build up the damage and suddenly kill with high DPS beams your intended target, you usually do this when there is only one target available to shoot, or your target knows where you are and has shots on you, so that you pop out, punch a hole in his face, and duck back into cover. Staggered Fire- Less common but useful in conjunction with another allied laser rifle. The intent of this beam is to cover a longer period of time firing, but cutting your beams up into second or two second beams. This keeps your personal damage low but lets you firing for as long as you so desire before a reload. Marking, aiding, and finshing enemies in conjuction with your allies. Since the laser fires a beam you want to be high up on the map, or using a ridgeline to lay down fire over open spaces. Sitting just off of objectives allows you to cover hack points as well. Suggest running a CQC side arm or AScR if you use a commando, and nanohives since ammo goes fast. 
 I used to play the "I cant Aim for Sh*t" card until it was properly heated, then put a hole trough the guy, they fall for it everytime.
 
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        |  True Adamance
 PIE Inc.
 Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
 
 2848
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 13:03:00 -
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 Rei Shepard wrote:True Adamance wrote:oOReikaOo wrote:I mean the prototype laser doesnt even burn through some of these guys shields...
 waste of SP
  Wow you must suck with the things them. I'm not even good at this game yet I'm getting games at 20/2 or better with that thing. Amarrians always are better with their own technology that heathen scum. Sorry in hind sight that sounds so condescending and arrogant. You don't need Proficiency, or the Amarr Assault. All you need to get the most out of the Laser is a couple of Damage Mods, and a keen sense of timing, since the LR is all about timing and dictating the range of the engagement. So the laser can be used in a couple key ways, I have seen more but these are the primaries. But first you have to understand that the laser works over a period of time, doing very little damage on initial contact and that damage builds up progressively more and more as you hold down the trigger to build up heat, reaching damn near insane levels of damage in the last second before it over heats. Also bear in mind the overheat and lock up is insane on this gun, 225 points of damage to you and a 6 second lock down timer. Also the beam has a weak zone, withing say 25m and a outside or say 120+ M Now the laser can be used in the following ways Stand ad Deliver- Firing the Laser in the standard manner, focusing on one or two targets, initially wounding targets with the low DPS beams, and finishing them off with the late firing high DPS beam. Burn and Deliver- Charging the beam against some piece of terrain, with the intent to build up the damage and suddenly kill with high DPS beams your intended target, you usually do this when there is only one target available to shoot, or your target knows where you are and has shots on you, so that you pop out, punch a hole in his face, and duck back into cover. Staggered Fire- Less common but useful in conjunction with another allied laser rifle. The intent of this beam is to cover a longer period of time firing, but cutting your beams up into second or two second beams. This keeps your personal damage low but lets you firing for as long as you so desire before a reload. Marking, aiding, and finshing enemies in conjuction with your allies. Since the laser fires a beam you want to be high up on the map, or using a ridgeline to lay down fire over open spaces. Sitting just off of objectives allows you to cover hack points as well. Suggest running a CQC side arm or AScR if you use a commando, and nanohives since ammo goes fast. I used to play the "I cant Aim for Sh*t" card until it was properly heated, then put a hole trough the guy, they fall for it everytime. Yeah I get a lot of arrogant Gallentean SOB's who think they have me ranged by burning out to my later heat levels then punch through the guys armour in seconds.
 
 ]That or he takes a scattered plasma round to the face.
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        |  Aero Yassavi
 PIE Inc.
 Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
 
 2738
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 14:01:00 -
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 I use the standard laser rifle, with no proficiency, with no damage mods, on a commando. I still destroy with the thing. You really don't need any investment at all to make it a devastating weapon, just an understanding for the optimal range and damage build up over time.
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        |  Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
 Osmon Surveillance
 Caldari State
 
 218
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 14:08:00 -
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 oOReikaOo wrote:I mean the prototype laser doesnt even burn through some of these guys shields...
 waste of SP
 
 Minimum effect range is 25 meters!
 __tiny damage_ Damage Range
 you)-----------------|25m===================|
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        |  Iron Wolf Saber
 Den of Swords
 
 9353
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 14:39:00 -
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 WTB to Drop Suit Heat Sinks.
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        |  Beld Errmon
 Evocatius
 
 983
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 14:55:00 -
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 Yes the laser is terrible, I think all laser users can agree with me *wink wink* that is a bad weapon that needs a major buff.
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        |  Lea Silencio
 D3ath D3alers
 
 417
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 14:55:00 -
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 oOReikaOo wrote:By the time I pre heat , ive wasted half my ammo...
 *edit* not to mention the stock sub machine they give me melts players in like 2-3 seconds... what incentive do i have to sit there with a giant laser showing everyone where i am , doing nil dmg for a few seconds
 
 As a disgustingly hated laser user in chrome, I will give you some tips.
 
 1. Laser requires a different playstyle. You can't run and gun with that weapon. Always stick to the outskirts of the map or of any engagement. Distance is your friend.
 2. Equip an active scanner so you can see your targets from a distance and plan your attack accordingly.
 3. A high vantage point. Get one and get there fast.
 4. As stated before, pre-heat your laser for 1 second and focus on one target before moving on. A LOT of rookie LR users will get scatter brained and see multiple targets and immediately switch back and forth, causing damage to each but never finishing. Focus on one, kill him, cooldown, focus on another kil him. Repeat.
 5. Stack no less than 2 damage mods on it. Makes the killing that much quicker.
 6. Stay within your optimal range. The laser burns more effectively there.
 7. If you are with a bunch of blues and they are engaging the enemy, take a few seconds and seperate yourself from them. Wide angle flanking is key. Sneak to the side of them and commence step #4.
 8. Have a reliable sidearm. It will be your only defense if someone closes in you you. The LR is sh!t in CQC.
 9. Know which enemies to engage bedore firing. LR's are sniper bait because that long stream can be seen from far off, so make it count. If you flank and you see your enemies from a side view, ALWAYS kill the one at the BACK of the pack and work forward. Why? If you shoot the guy in the fron of the pack, everyone will see your beam and focus attention on you. Never a good thing. Always work from back to front.
 10. Keep at it. It gets fun when you get the hang of it!
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        |  DildoMcnutz
 Science For Death
 The Shadow Eclipse
 
 268
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 15:29:00 -
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 this is an odd weapon and the only weapon where you kinda have to actively look at the distance of your target, don't fire at anyone closer than 60m or further than 80m, between 70-80m is where you want to be. I have found that preheating isn't that big of a deal if your in that range but I have a viziam and 3 complex damage mods on it so it destroys by default, however when you get over half way of heat build up it enters beam of death god mode and anything in the ranges I mentioned is reduced to atoms almost instantly.
 
 Just look at the range, if it says 70-80m your target is pretty much dead, the damage fall off is drastic though so if they are much further don't waste your ammo.
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        |  CharCharOdell
 Shining Flame
 Amarr Empire
 
 1125
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 16:16:00 -
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 Lillica Death dealer goes 25:0 with a laser, regularly. You're not doing it right. Its all about speccing it max, gettingad damage mods, and using amarr assault.
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        |  Fox Gaden
 Immortal Guides
 
 1216
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 16:50:00 -
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 oOReikaOo wrote:By the time I pre heat , ive wasted half my ammo...
 *edit* not to mention the stock sub machine they give me melts players in like 2-3 seconds... what incentive do i have to sit there with a giant laser showing everyone where i am , doing nil dmg for a few seconds
 If they are close enough to hit with a sidearm, then they are too close to use a Laser.
 
 Laser is the only weapon that does less damage at close rang.
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        |  Marston VC
 SVER True Blood
 Public Disorder.
 
 1041
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.10.11 20:07:00 -
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 oOReikaOo wrote:By the time I pre heat , ive wasted half my ammo...
 *edit* not to mention the stock sub machine they give me melts players in like 2-3 seconds... what incentive do i have to sit there with a giant laser showing everyone where i am , doing nil dmg for a few seconds
 
 You should be doing literal loads of damage though. The LR is a very high damage once it gets charged a good bit. You just need to learn how to use it better. My best match today with the LR was 20-0. Most of my matches were around 15-2 and that specific suit only costs 20k isk. So if I can do it with below average equipment, you can certainly do it with above average equipment.
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