DUST Search - amarr FW is the FOTW

shaman oga wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

shaman oga wrote:

Lea Silencio wrote:

shaman oga wrote:

It's funny how those amarr have made a real turnover in a couple of days....
Oh wait they were not the real amarr FWers Roll

You really think this campaign ends here? Seriously, what is the alternative? Lolpubs?

FW is the only place to find relevant competition or what is left of it, as more corp squads only play this. PC is stalled atm and those corps that cannot participate will flock here. They already have been for some time now.

Tbh, there is no more challenge aside from FW. I choose to stay and play, as I am sure many of us in the PIE channel will as well.

We are winning in convincing fashion. Give props where props are due.

What props? 2 days ago the amarr faction had 5% of the total districts Lol

Now we own all of them because your faction proved to be weaker, less organised, and in many cases less skilled than ours, when numbers were more balanced.

Balanced numbers? Lol

All the squad in the squad finder are amarr, if you guys were so cool, why you have been dominated since now?


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True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2816	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:48:00 - [1] - Quote shaman oga wrote: It's funny how those amarr have made a real turnover in a couple of days.... Oh wait they were not the real amarr FWers Of course they were. Don't pretend like you are better than us because some extra corporations came to support us, also don't pretend like prior to these last few weeks we Amarr have been under represented. And screw your idea of exclusivity in FW that's counter productive to the development of the game type.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2817	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:49:00 - [2] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Xender17 wrote: You mean when EoN decided to turn the tides? EoN deserves credit for sure, but there's plenty more to go around. Eon deserves almost the whole credit, plus the rewards, you guys have made a good job with your sponsors Well i'll be back in next weeks to see if the situation will be the same, for the moment... i'm downloading Dark Souls 2 beta Screw you, Amarr have been winning FW matches for months now, however due to under representation we have not had the number to push through the wins. EoN were a great help, sure, but half of them are also fighting for the MInmatar.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2817	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:50:00 - [3] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Lea Silencio wrote: shaman oga wrote: It's funny how those amarr have made a real turnover in a couple of days.... Oh wait they were not the real amarr FWers You really think this campaign ends here? Seriously, what is the alternative? Lolpubs? FW is the only place to find relevant competition or what is left of it, as more corp squads only play this. PC is stalled atm and those corps that cannot participate will flock here. They already have been for some time now. Tbh, there is no more challenge aside from FW. I choose to stay and play, as I am sure many of us in the PIE channel will as well. We are winning in convincing fashion. Give props where props are due. What props? 2 days ago the amarr faction had 5% of the total districts Now we own all of them because your faction proved to be weaker, less organised, and in many cases less skilled than ours, when numbers were more balanced. Credit where credit is due. I have always given props to ANON, Ultra's, Prima, and STB when they have thrashed us. Give credit where it is due while we are taking control, we nabbed 8 systems from you guys last night, not to mention over 50% of dust side control.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2818	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:57:00 - [4] - Quote shaman oga wrote: True Adamance wrote: shaman oga wrote: Lea Silencio wrote: shaman oga wrote: It's funny how those amarr have made a real turnover in a couple of days.... Oh wait they were not the real amarr FWers You really think this campaign ends here? Seriously, what is the alternative? Lolpubs? FW is the only place to find relevant competition or what is left of it, as more corp squads only play this. PC is stalled atm and those corps that cannot participate will flock here. They already have been for some time now. Tbh, there is no more challenge aside from FW. I choose to stay and play, as I am sure many of us in the PIE channel will as well. We are winning in convincing fashion. Give props where props are due. What props? 2 days ago the amarr faction had 5% of the total districts Now we own all of them because your faction proved to be weaker, less organised, and in many cases less skilled than ours, when numbers were more balanced. Balanced numbers? All the squad in the squad finder are amarr, if you guys were so cool, why you have been dominated since now? Our downswing in EVE, a lack of Amarrian interest and following in Amarr FW and a general lack of organisation...until now. Prior to the formation of PIE GD and PIE Public we had no more than PIE running organised (2 man teams for the Amarr) we did not know any of the other FW players in our faction. 1 week later we had interest and the formation of PIE's first GD squad, a week later, Cubs joined with his men, Lea, Viktor, King, and many more, we then had well in excess of 4-5 squads running, meeting new people and winning their FW matches. ((Note not claiming credit, we all met through PIE GD, its the efforts of the players that won us this victory)) Now look what we have.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2821	Posted - 2013.10.10 22:24:00 - [5] - Quote I cannot believe all of the Minmatar and Gallente FW are such sore losers and whiny children. When we were losing we promised retribution, we didn't give up and blame a corp or an Alliance. (( I would consider now CCP fixed the FW system, either that that when our player bases more of less equalised our side was just plain better))
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2821	Posted - 2013.10.10 22:25:00 - [6] - Quote First Prophet wrote: True Adamance wrote: [quote=shaman oga]It's funny how those amarr have made a real turnover in a couple of days.... Oh wait they were not the real amarr FWers Of course they were. Don't pretend like you are better than us because some extra corporations came to support us, /quote] If by "some extra corporations" you mean the alliance with the most high ranked corporations and players, tournament winners, and who managed to hold on to molden heath from the rest of dust. I'm sure they only had a smart part in it. How is that our problem? They could just as easily have supported you, but EoN made it their MO months back that they were Amarr FW and Caldari FW. You didn't ***** then. Make your own better alliance and challenge them. EoN may well move on one day, PIE, Immortal, AIC, and more will remain to keep you back from our empire. I also want to point out which corps in space are leading fleets, taking the space, and running off Minnies..... Oh that would be PIE, that would be Fweditt, that would be a dozen other corps all doing their parts.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2821	Posted - 2013.10.10 22:27:00 - [7] - Quote First Prophet wrote: True Adamance wrote: I cannot believe all of the Minmatar and Gallente FW are such sore losers and whiny children. When we were losing we promised retribution, we didn't give up and blame a corp or an Alliance. No. You just declared FW broken and cried to Foxfour. I still think its broken. But now you know what we were subject to.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2821	Posted - 2013.10.10 22:30:00 - [8] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Xender17 wrote: You mean when EoN decided to turn the tides? I think you've confused "eon" with "everyone who considered the FW rewards for more than a minute". Indeed.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2821	Posted - 2013.10.10 22:49:00 - [9] - Quote shaman oga wrote: True Adamance wrote: First Prophet wrote: True Adamance wrote: I cannot believe all of the Minmatar and Gallente FW are such sore losers and whiny children. When we were losing we promised retribution, we didn't give up and blame a corp or an Alliance. No. You just declared FW broken and cried to Foxfour. I still think its broken. But now you know what we were subject to. No, we still don't know, FW turned in PC and like everybody know there is no balance in PC. There is not supposed to be balance between Corporations, the best one wins hands down, if they bring more men to the fight, if they use the best ships and the best gear, that is how it works. You are right we don't know how FW works. If you guys push us back rapidly to equal or dominant ground them perhaps there are balanced fixes, if you don't for a month then we know something is off don't we?
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2834	Posted - 2013.10.11 02:54:00 - [10] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: shaman oga wrote: It's funny how those amarr have made a real turnover in a couple of days.... Oh wait they were not the real amarr FWers There is no excuse for your defeats. Don't hide behind the "they aren't real FW'ers" because if it wasn't for this event there would be just a handful of FW'ers. Pretty much just seems like Shaman bitched out when he couldn't win a couple of matches.

True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2844	Posted - 2013.10.11 11:48:00 - [11] - Quote shaman oga wrote: True Adamance wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: shaman oga wrote: It's funny how those amarr have made a real turnover in a couple of days.... Oh wait they were not the real amarr FWers There is no excuse for your defeats. Don't hide behind the "they aren't real FW'ers" because if it wasn't for this event there would be just a handful of FW'ers. Pretty much just seems like Shaman bitched out when he couldn't win a couple of matches. The problem is not win or lose, the problem is that FW turned into PC, but only for one side, the other side have always the same players, people should play with the race they want, not with the race their corp/alliance have told them to play with. Your corp is a roleplay amarr corp and that is ok, but the rest? They are only here for orders or for rewards. So even though most of the Amarrian players are out right better than or equal to the MInmatar you would have FW become a popularity contest.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2845	Posted - 2013.10.11 12:47:00 - [12] - Quote shaman oga wrote: True Adamance wrote: So even though most of the Amarrian players are out right better than or equal to the MInmatar you would have FW become a popularity contest. Now FW is a popularity contest, few amarrian players and a lot of hirelings. You simply have attracted the right sympathy, that's why i say you have turned a war for a faction in a normal war for corporations/alliances, there is already PC for that. So you wont admit before that the Minmatar had the greater player base, and that now were benefiting from it you are in a pissy mood.... FW was always for Allainces and Corporations hence why PIE exists, and has existed for 10 years. Hence why entire alliances join and are formed in FW, FW is not for soloists and newbies, its for organised and coordinated play.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2847	Posted - 2013.10.11 13:08:00 - [13] - Quote shaman oga wrote: True Adamance wrote: shaman oga wrote: True Adamance wrote: So even though most of the Amarrian players are out right better than or equal to the MInmatar you would have FW become a popularity contest. Now FW is a popularity contest, few amarrian players and a lot of hirelings. You simply have attracted the right sympathy, that's why i say you have turned a war for a faction in a normal war for corporations/alliances, there is already PC for that. So you wont admit before that the Minmatar had the greater player base, and that now were benefiting from it you are in a pissy mood.... That's exactly my point, all your hirelings didn't get a f.... about FW till now, the problem is not with PIE, you have always played for amarr FW, the problem is with all the scumbags that have never ever played FW and now they are celebrating a victory. They are in EVE too. Whats your point? They are mercs after all. Its just like how ANON holds the entirety of Minmatar FW together, without them, you don't have enough squads to take the fights through numbers alone. Admittedly though Cubs has been working with us in PIE GD closely and has been a great help to the war effort, its not like he brought his corp in with no reason given, etc. In this case we happened to get EoN who stated months ago that they supported the Am/Cal factions. Whenever they get into FW properly or if they have now is up to them. In space we just got Fweddit back after they left for god knows where, and hopefully CVA might return, if so our fleet with have some serious numbers to them as well.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2847	Posted - 2013.10.11 13:20:00 - [14] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: If rewards are offered i will play FW more simple as That's my point. One day rewards will come, and even if the Am/Cal should lose ground after this event, we would see it come back later when rewards do apprear assuming the meta remains somewhat stable, Then the war would be who gets the best goodies like it is in eve
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2859	Posted - 2013.10.11 22:10:00 - [15] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Zahle Undt wrote: Well I guess what this event shows is that more of us want Amarr stuff than the other races, I know that is what drew me into playing a bit again and doing so in FW. On a side note fighting against the folks that want Minmatar rewards is annoying, whole teams of shotgun and MD assaults/logis LOL OMG this is so true. I hear MDs firing in my sleep this week! I'd have to say I'm a little disappointed that I'm not seeing more lazors on our side. I was envisioning a whole squad of amarr assaults with viziams melting everything in their path. Also, not that we spend as much time in the war barge as we used to, I would still, at least once, love to see it when every person is wearing the appropriate races suit. That's how I picture FW, at least during a coordinated offensive like this. Make it happen, PIE! (Lol, like I need to tell them; I think Aero or True might get so excited they would pass out or have a seizure if they saw that! Medic!) I would. I can try to get one set up today for some fun.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2863	Posted - 2013.10.11 23:16:00 - [16] - Quote First Prophet wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Nope. Fought them twice last night. Still matari. Oh good. I read a post by trapper awhile ago saying he was switching support to the Amarr. Can't log in to check myself though. If they were I wouldn't mind that since ANON is such a great player to fight against, though I would miss his imputs on the other team, and thrashing he gave us. However I still think/ have noticed that all of the Matari FW corps are actually gallentean FW corps who come over to hold up the Minmatar's end. I feel like FW needs to be done in a way so that sure you can support your allies when you want, but its not profitable for you to do so.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2865	Posted - 2013.10.11 23:45:00 - [17] - Quote First Prophet wrote: True Adamance wrote: First Prophet wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Nope. Fought them twice last night. Still matari. Oh good. I read a post by trapper awhile ago saying he was switching support to the Amarr. Can't log in to check myself though. I feel like FW needs to be done in a way so that sure you can support your allies when you want, but its not profitable for you to do so. Why not? That's kind of the point to an alliance. There wouldn't be anyone in minmatar fw if that was the case. Few Allainces cross the boundaries between FW zones, some do but that normally isn't the done thing, because in FW eve side you sign up to a milita, and are loyal to that one until you drop it, also if you do drop it your are stuck with negative penalties against the opposing factions. So sure a whole bunch of Gallentean supporters can come out to the FW zone but they cannot see the complexes in space, so all they can do is fight at the gates. In FW we need to discourage overlapping, encourage loyalty to one faction, and ensure FW is a variant and enjoyable mode where allied groups can squad up and do things together, but cannot cross over willy nilly depending on what takes their fancy. The argument, "Oh but were mercenaries" does work here because capsuleers are essentially mercenaries as well as they only fight for one factions at a time.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2865	Posted - 2013.10.12 00:01:00 - [18] - Quote First Prophet wrote: There's kind of a major difference between capsuleers and mercenaries. But that's not the point. I don't see anything "not fun" about crossing over sides. If anything being stuck in one militia is pretty unfun. Plus I doubt it'll ever happen considering CCP's current stance: Do whatever for whoever. I would rather have it so you can jump between allied factions, but can't switch to the opposite alliance. Not without paying some sort of penalty or just having it be super limited. Jumping between Gallente to Minmatar, or Amarr to Caldari = fine. But no Caldari to Minmatar or Amarr to Gallente. Maybe allow players to defect once per year or something, maybe have them grind up standings afterwards some how. Then ask yourself how and why would 4 empires at each others throats all the time hire mercs from one faction to another knowing their loyalties may shift at any time. How can being LOYAL, the key proponent in FW, be a bad thing. You pick your faction, you earn their gear, unless you wish to switch factions entirely, incur some sort of penalty, and start earning the new gear. E.G- China vs the USA, UK vs Frace. UK and USA are allies. China and France are for some unknown reason. You don't simply say, "Oh gents tatta for now, loved your tea but I'm off to join the bloody Doughboys in the USA". Its not that easy, It shouldn't be that easy. Dust needs to be localised, we need to have meaning in where we are, who we decide to be, who we support, and how we choose to approach the game. Using and FW system like in EVE allows you to do whatever for who ever, its just not easy to reconcile with the people you have been killing for months at a time if you get me. Basically what we have in FW is Gal FW- Biggest by Far Amarr FW- Third Largest Minmatar FW- Second Largest Cal FW- Smallest. The off shoots from Gal FW are primarily what holds the Minmatar up, if Prima Gallicus, Molon Labe, and Turalyon 514 you would have slightly more numbers than us but only a similar number of dedicated corps. What unbalances our FW is that the Gallente are so well supported. However in EVE you never see the Gallente really encroach into the Am/Min FW zones, because its simply not worth their time away from their own warzone. Which is how it should be in Dust, balanced on a razors edge. EDIT- There is no difference. They do what they want for who they want up in space, so do we on the ground.