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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
827
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Posted - 2013.10.08 19:35:00 -
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I start running militia minmatar scout exile ar with uplinks and hacking but theres always a bunch of redberries that insist on spamming grenades.
Get killed once by grenades? ehh it costs me 2k per militia scout death. Get killed the second time by grenades? ehh lets try another area.
Get killed a third time by grenades? KITTEN YOU!!
Enter battle with proto minmatar MK-0 with proto boundless assault.
Hi grenade kitten!! remember me?? boom!! +50!
Then chase those two or three redberries the entire match killing them over and over.
GET SOME!! +50, +50, +50...LOL! GET SOME!!!
Then send some mail asking them how it feels to be on the receiving end of grenade spam. |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
853
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Posted - 2013.10.08 19:39:00 -
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I like to come back with whatever killed me and find the evildoer to exact my revenge. My comeuppance is usually interrupted by some **** with a Duvolle who is not on board with my plight. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
1725
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Posted - 2013.10.08 19:42:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:I start running militia minmatar scout exile ar with uplinks and hacking but theres always a bunch of redberries that insist on spamming grenades.
Get killed once by grenades? ehh it costs me 2k per militia scout death. Get killed the second time by grenades? ehh lets try another area.
Get killed a third time by grenades? KITTEN YOU!!
Enter battle with proto minmatar MK-0 with proto boundless assault.
Hi grenade kitten!! remember me?? boom!! +50!
Then chase those two or three redberries the entire match killing them over and over.
GET SOME!! +50, +50, +50...LOL! GET SOME!!!
Then send some mail asking them how it feels to be on the receiving end of grenade spam. No I go and kill them with my core locus grenades |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
318
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Posted - 2013.10.08 19:42:00 -
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Rush at MD users with SMG, if they are not killed they are definitely coming with you. |
Aisha Ctarl
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1452
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Posted - 2013.10.08 19:44:00 -
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No.
I just find it amusing at how many people do the following.
A) Throw a grenade when two feet in front of them because apparently they don't know how to operate their weapon
B) Panic grenade when you begin shooting them and they simply empty their grenade cache |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1703
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Posted - 2013.10.08 19:47:00 -
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I like to squash them with a militia dropship. |
XANDER KAG
Red Star. EoN.
335
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Posted - 2013.10.08 19:49:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:I like to squash them with a militia dropship. this is why I only carry pack AV grenades on all my suits |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
647
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Posted - 2013.10.08 19:52:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Rush at MD users with SMG, if they are not killed they are definitely coming with you. then you get 2 in the face and you die... sounds like a good idea |
Cosgar
ParagonX
5732
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Posted - 2013.10.08 19:52:00 -
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I can't because I already use my MD as a primary. I wind up doing the opposite and switching to my Exile- which somehow performs better despite 0 SP invested in ARs.... |
Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
734
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Posted - 2013.10.08 19:53:00 -
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I'm really getting sick of the extreme usefulness of the L-grenades, AR, FG, and seemingly SMG. |
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trraacx
DUST University Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2013.10.08 19:57:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:No.
I just find it amusing at how many people do the following.
A) Throw a grenade when two feet in front of them because apparently they don't know how to operate their weapon
B) Panic grenade when you begin shooting them and they simply empty their grenade cache
I'm glad that I have been able to amuse you. Its actually lag that causes that, yes, that is it. My kids find my spasms amusing as well. |
Eltra Ardell
Goonfeet Top Men.
180
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Posted - 2013.10.08 20:02:00 -
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This is about the most pathetic thread I've ever seen. I recommend seeking help for your anger issues. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
830
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Posted - 2013.10.08 20:08:00 -
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Eltra Ardell wrote:This is about the most pathetic thread I've ever seen. I recommend seeking help for your anger issues.
Its not anger you poor fool.
Hmmm I guess you must be really good at Dust 514??
Searches for your name in top ten leaderboards?? nope!!
Searches for your name in top 50 leaderboards? nope!!
Searches for your name in top 100 leaderboards?? nope!!
Searches for your name in top 200 leaderboards?? nope!!
Dude! do you even Dust? |
Aisha Ctarl
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1454
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Posted - 2013.10.08 20:08:00 -
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trraacx wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:No.
I just find it amusing at how many people do the following.
A) Throw a grenade when two feet in front of them because apparently they don't know how to operate their weapon
B) Panic grenade when you begin shooting them and they simply empty their grenade cache I'm glad that I have been able to amuse you. Its actually lag that causes that, yes, that is it. My kids find my spasms amusing as well.
I know the difference between a lag grenade toss and a panic toss. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
830
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Posted - 2013.10.08 20:12:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:trraacx wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:No.
I just find it amusing at how many people do the following.
A) Throw a grenade when two feet in front of them because apparently they don't know how to operate their weapon
B) Panic grenade when you begin shooting them and they simply empty their grenade cache I'm glad that I have been able to amuse you. Its actually lag that causes that, yes, that is it. My kids find my spasms amusing as well. I know the difference between a lag grenade toss and a panic toss.
AGREED.
Amarr in FW?? Is the laser disco rave party set for Today or Tomorrow??
I am using basic laser but its cheap in isk cost and it does get a few kills. |
CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
389
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Posted - 2013.10.08 20:17:00 -
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Dont get me started on 'panic naders'! I was on about this a couple of weeks ago.
I can understand the benefit of cooking grenades in tight spots, but some people just dump there nades anywhere, its like they know they are going to die lol. |
Aisha Ctarl
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1457
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Posted - 2013.10.08 20:19:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:trraacx wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:No.
I just find it amusing at how many people do the following.
A) Throw a grenade when two feet in front of them because apparently they don't know how to operate their weapon
B) Panic grenade when you begin shooting them and they simply empty their grenade cache I'm glad that I have been able to amuse you. Its actually lag that causes that, yes, that is it. My kids find my spasms amusing as well. I know the difference between a lag grenade toss and a panic toss. AGREED. Amarr in FW?? Is the laser disco rave party set for Today or Tomorrow?? I am using basic laser but its cheap in isk cost and it does get a few kills.
I'm in Amarr FW daily. If you'd like to squad up sometime and fight for the Amarr, I recommend you join the "PIE Ground Deployment" channel.
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2142
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Posted - 2013.10.08 20:20:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:No.
I just find it amusing at how many people do the following.
A) Throw a grenade when two feet in front of them because apparently they don't know how to operate their weapon
B) Panic grenade when you begin shooting them and they simply empty their grenade cache Yeah, I love it when enemies throw all three grenades at me then run away like they don't have a perfectly good main weapon.
#Explosive Spam 514 |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
830
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Posted - 2013.10.08 20:25:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:trraacx wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:No.
I just find it amusing at how many people do the following.
A) Throw a grenade when two feet in front of them because apparently they don't know how to operate their weapon
B) Panic grenade when you begin shooting them and they simply empty their grenade cache I'm glad that I have been able to amuse you. Its actually lag that causes that, yes, that is it. My kids find my spasms amusing as well. I know the difference between a lag grenade toss and a panic toss. AGREED. Amarr in FW?? Is the laser disco rave party set for Today or Tomorrow?? I am using basic laser but its cheap in isk cost and it does get a few kills. I'm in Amarr FW daily. If you'd like to squad up sometime and fight for the Amarr, I recommend you join the "PIE Ground Deployment" channel.
K .
I notice that basic, advanced and proto lasers all do the same damage so whats the advantage of the Viziam??
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Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet Top Men.
135
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Posted - 2013.10.08 20:25:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Eltra Ardell wrote:This is about the most pathetic thread I've ever seen. I recommend seeking help for your anger issues. Its not anger you poor fool. Hmmm I guess you must be really good at Dust 514?? Searches for your name in top ten leaderboards?? nope!! Searches for your name in top 50 leaderboards? nope!! Searches for your name in top 100 leaderboards?? nope!! Searches for your name in top 200 leaderboards?? nope!! Dude! do you even Dust?
Ahahaha, Eltra. This oh so important guy just said you weren't ~relevant~ How will your poor ego handle this?
Tech Ohm, tell us more about how cool you are in internet spacemans. |
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
830
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Posted - 2013.10.08 20:27:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:No.
I just find it amusing at how many people do the following.
A) Throw a grenade when two feet in front of them because apparently they don't know how to operate their weapon
B) Panic grenade when you begin shooting them and they simply empty their grenade cache Yeah, I love it when enemies throw all three grenades at me then run away like they don't have a perfectly good main weapon. #Explosive Spam 514
Yeah but its a real lol when its me since those grenade spammers seem to have perfect aim?? A few days ago I got killed by a core locus at 65m that had me doing a WTF? and a LOL! |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
1144
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Posted - 2013.10.08 20:29:00 -
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Nothing says fuckyour grenade spam better than an exo. |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1394
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Posted - 2013.10.08 20:29:00 -
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Lol MD users expect you to run for your clone. Instead, I rush them, with the spirit of Barry Sanders. You can almost hear their thoughts. "OMG, he's rushing me??!". If you remain calm while dealing with a Masshole, they will fall. |
Aisha Ctarl
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1459
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Posted - 2013.10.08 20:30:00 -
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The Viziam does its damage quicker, basically its damage spool up time is shorter.
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
830
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Posted - 2013.10.08 20:35:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:Nothing says fuckyour grenade spam better than an exo.
You see to the grenades spammers its ok to get kill after kill with a OHK weapon spam at a supply depo but when we turn the tables with an EXO or a boundless assault mass driver??
Oh! dude! I got hatemail full of insults for a week ...lol!! |
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
417
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Posted - 2013.10.08 20:36:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:trraacx wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:No.
I just find it amusing at how many people do the following.
A) Throw a grenade when two feet in front of them because apparently they don't know how to operate their weapon
B) Panic grenade when you begin shooting them and they simply empty their grenade cache I'm glad that I have been able to amuse you. Its actually lag that causes that, yes, that is it. My kids find my spasms amusing as well. I know the difference between a lag grenade toss and a panic toss. not lag at all as a scout this happens on a daily basis I get the drop on someone and fire on him he panics and throws grenades or fires his weapon recklessly one of my favorites is when they throw AV grenades |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
830
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Posted - 2013.10.08 20:37:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Lol MD users expect you to run for your clone. Instead, I rush them, with the spirit of Barry Sanders. You can almost hear their thoughts. "OMG, he's rushing me??!". If you remain calm while dealing with a Masshole, they will fall.
Umm no I just think heres another +50 as I prefer landing direct hits so its great when folks rush me. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
830
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Posted - 2013.10.08 20:39:00 -
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XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:trraacx wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:No.
I just find it amusing at how many people do the following.
A) Throw a grenade when two feet in front of them because apparently they don't know how to operate their weapon
B) Panic grenade when you begin shooting them and they simply empty their grenade cache I'm glad that I have been able to amuse you. Its actually lag that causes that, yes, that is it. My kids find my spasms amusing as well. I know the difference between a lag grenade toss and a panic toss. not lag at all as a scout this happens on a daily basis I get the drop on someone and fire on him he panics and throws grenades or fires his weapon recklessly one of my favorites is when they throw AV grenades
Its great when they spamm AV grenades as I have time to kill them with a militia SMG and then to rub it in I send them a mail saying: you may want to use those on vehicles for far better results??
Then I get responses full of @#$%^&^&^% ..........LOL!! |
trraacx
DUST University Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2013.10.08 20:41:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:trraacx wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:No.
I just find it amusing at how many people do the following.
A) Throw a grenade when two feet in front of them because apparently they don't know how to operate their weapon
B) Panic grenade when you begin shooting them and they simply empty their grenade cache I'm glad that I have been able to amuse you. Its actually lag that causes that, yes, that is it. My kids find my spasms amusing as well. I know the difference between a lag grenade toss and a panic toss.
Yes, that was a joke, when I do it, it is total spasm. Lag does happen and slow frame rates. Most of the time though, it's just panic spasm. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
318
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Posted - 2013.10.08 20:46:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Rush at MD users with SMG, if they are not killed they are definitely coming with you. then you get 2 in the face and you die... sounds like a good idea
In your perfect world yes but in 1044+ HP reality no. |
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
318
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Posted - 2013.10.08 20:47:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Lol MD users expect you to run for your clone. Instead, I rush them, with the spirit of Barry Sanders. You can almost hear their thoughts. "OMG, he's rushing me??!". If you remain calm while dealing with a Masshole, they will fall. Umm no I just think heres another +50 as I prefer landing direct hits so its great when folks rush me.
When scrubbers rush you |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
830
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Posted - 2013.10.08 20:51:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Jack McReady wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Rush at MD users with SMG, if they are not killed they are definitely coming with you. then you get 2 in the face and you die... sounds like a good idea In your perfect world yes but in 1044+ HP reality no.
AGREED.
Three rounds from basic or breach mass driver to kill shields then use SMG prof 5 and triple complex sidearm damage mods equals dead clone.
Or Carthum assault scambler plstol. |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1398
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Posted - 2013.10.08 20:53:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Lol MD users expect you to run for your clone. Instead, I rush them, with the spirit of Barry Sanders. You can almost hear their thoughts. "OMG, he's rushing me??!". If you remain calm while dealing with a Masshole, they will fall. Umm no I just think heres another +50 as I prefer landing direct hits so its great when folks rush me.
Umm yes. I know I'm not the greatest player but I do have a brain. A Masshole is either looking to kill you by landing hits next to you or score a direct hit. The latter is quite difficult when movents are erratic and unpredictable. Thats why i said Barry Sanders. why run at you in a straight line? i want to be hard to kill, no Steven Seagal. I won't go into details about my strategy but it involves working to out master the Mercernary who is trying to think about how I will react. Especially when I roll with my squad, you Massholes don't make it far. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
831
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Posted - 2013.10.08 21:01:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Michael Arck wrote:Lol MD users expect you to run for your clone. Instead, I rush them, with the spirit of Barry Sanders. You can almost hear their thoughts. "OMG, he's rushing me??!". If you remain calm while dealing with a Masshole, they will fall. Umm no I just think heres another +50 as I prefer landing direct hits so its great when folks rush me. Umm yes. I know I'm not the greatest player but I do have a brain. A Masshole is either looking to kill you by landing hits next to you or score a direct hit. The latter is quite difficult when movents are erratic and unpredictable. Thats why i said Barry Sanders. why run at you in a straight line? i want to be hard to kill, no Steven Seagal. I won't go into details about my strategy but it involves working to out master the Mercernary who is trying to think about how I will react. Especially when I roll with my squad, you Massholes don't make it far.
The fun part is they always want to get up in my face when doing retaliation for grenade spamming. Then its the perfect time for assault SMG or Ishukone SMG or Calas MK-33. |
godhands9
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
72
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Posted - 2013.10.08 21:03:00 -
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I can gernade a massdriver before he even kills me with one. That's how funny this is.
and if I pull my massriver there in trouble |
godhands9
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
72
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Posted - 2013.10.08 21:08:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Aisha Ctarl wrote:No.
I just find it amusing at how many people do the following.
A) Throw a grenade when two feet in front of them because apparently they don't know how to operate their weapon
B) Panic grenade when you begin shooting them and they simply empty their grenade cache Yeah, I love it when enemies throw all three grenades at me then run away like they don't have a perfectly good main weapon. #Explosive Spam 514 Yeah but its a real lol when its me since those grenade spammers seem to have perfect aim?? A few days ago I got killed by a core locus at 65m that had me doing a WTF? and a LOL!
I'ts all about cooking them, and timing them just right . i can waste 70% of the attackers with a m1 gernade alone..Your talking core gernades.Now this is a something scary,more like triple kills and ****. |
Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
2152
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Posted - 2013.10.08 21:09:00 -
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I'm not going to name names, but this one guy.... Who was "named" Ttef Abbob was spamming Core Locus grenades against me, a scout.
I brought the remote explosives out and had it out with him. The first time he started to foolishly follow me around a blind bend. Watched my minimap and boom that sucker was gone. But then the second time he had some friends. I removed them all but then here come Ttef Abbob who had gotten a little wiser. I was around a blind corner relying on my minimap. I blew him up and in the next instant his Core nade came like a boomerang and got me good.
Luckily I made a profit off that game. I doubt his two proto suits did.
So no, I do not spam MD in retaliation to nade spam, I spam remote explosives. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
831
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Posted - 2013.10.08 21:09:00 -
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godhands9 wrote:I can gernade a massdriver before he even kills me with one. That's how funny this is. and if I pull my massriver there in trouble
Then I come back again to see what I can learn.
What fit were they wearing and what type of weapon??
Then I am undecided about comeing back with a Duvolle AR or Bacon time! Laser and good SMG. |
THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Nyain San EoN.
393
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Posted - 2013.10.08 21:10:00 -
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my cores & freedom with 5dmg mods and proficiency 5 say hi. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
831
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Posted - 2013.10.08 21:12:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:I'm not going to name names, but this one guy.... Who was "named" Ttef Abbob was spamming Core Locus grenades against me, a scout.
I brought the remote explosives out and had it out with him. The first time he started to foolishly follow me around a blind bend. Watched my minimap and boom that sucker was gone. But then the second time he had some friends. I removed them all but then here come Ttef Abbob who had gotten a little wiser. I was around a blind corner relying on my minimap. I blew him up and in the next instant his Core nade came like a boomerang and got me good.
Luckily I made a profit off that game. I doubt his two proto suits did.
So no, I do not spam MD in retaliation to nade spam, I spam remote explosives.
Hmm that sounds good. Logi suit with basic remotes, advanced remotes and proto remotes.
Mine three hallways and wait. |
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Bojo The Mighty
Zanzibar Concept
2152
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Posted - 2013.10.08 21:15:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:
Hmm that sounds good. Logi suit with basic remotes, advanced remotes and proto remotes.
Mine three hallways and wait.
People rarely check halls and whatnots for explosives, only objectives.
I have seen people successfully mine the streets, CRUs, and even as dastardly as an abandoned vehicle. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
831
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Posted - 2013.10.08 21:17:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:my cores & freedom with 5dmg mods and proficiency 5 say hi.
I have my MD at pfof 3 so is it worth it going to prof 5??
I run exile or laser most of the time since uplinks/hacking is more my thing than trying to get a lot of kills with nobody hacking. |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
584
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Posted - 2013.10.08 21:18:00 -
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I'm a scrub because I die more often to the explosions of my EC-3 and Boundless MDs as opposed to actual enemy fire.
Have any of you unintentionally committed suicide 10+ times in a single match?
... I have. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
831
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Posted - 2013.10.08 21:18:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:
Hmm that sounds good. Logi suit with basic remotes, advanced remotes and proto remotes.
Mine three hallways and wait.
People rarely check halls and whatnots for explosives, only objectives. I have seen people successfully mine the streets, CRUs, and even as dastardly as an abandoned vehicle.
Remotes are fun.
And ah!! I know what abandoned vehicle to mine for lols.
Thanks!! |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
831
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Posted - 2013.10.08 21:21:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:I'm a scrub because I die more often to the explosions of my EC-3 and Boundless MDs as opposed to actual enemy fire.
Have any of you unintentionally committed suicide 10+ times in a single match?
... I have.
I go for body hits only.
But yeah bluberries will stand in front of a MD user.
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Nyain San EoN.
394
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Posted - 2013.10.08 21:28:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:my cores & freedom with 5dmg mods and proficiency 5 say hi. I have my MD at pfof 3 so is it worth it going to prof 5?? I run exile or laser most of the time since uplinks/hacking is more my thing than trying to get a lot of kills with nobody hacking. Thats arguable, but really, no unless you use it ALOT, because with prof3 and 3 dmg mods you'll be doing just over 200 shield splash dmg per freedom shot anyways, whereas with prof5 you'll only do around 211 or so damage, so the difference really isnt much for those 2 levels (its just 6% of the base damage) because dmg mods dnt factor in your proficiency. Really stopping at prof3 is great for it, and the real damage comes from the 3 complex dmg mods. Personally though i enjoy knowing im hitting them with the strongest MD rounds theyll ever take :> |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1637
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Posted - 2013.10.08 21:32:00 -
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''So how many switch to a mass driver in retaliation for being grenaded??''
Not me; i can deal with Grenade spam with My ADV suit and trusty Scramblers....
dont need to get all proto on the poor n00bs asses. XD |
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