DUST Search - will i ever be able to fully armor tank

Marston VC wrote:

BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI wrote:

so the general consencus is that i will never be able to run full proto ???

Well that depends on what you mean by "full proto" Because technically the only items designated with "proto" are your weapons and dropsuit. All the modules are labeled as "complex".

Heres the thing dude. What you have to do from here on out is level up your core skills. CPU upgrades, and PG upgrades are a start. That will net you 25% extra For each right there. Those two skills are expensive, but having those will ensure that every suit you make in the future will be able to get fitted to its fullest potential.

If you want to go really advanced you can get "dropsuit core upgrades" to level 5 and that will give you and additional 5% to PG/CPU, adding up to 30% boost on both.

Now..... if you are in fact using the proto sentinel suit then you should have 4 lows. If you want to have 4 complex plates on it then your probably going to have to drop something else, because complex plates take up a CRAP TON of PG.

So basically when you get to this point its all about what matters more to you. Do you like having a crap ton of health but only a decent gun? Or would you prefer above average health with a great gun? Keep in mind that Four complex armor plates would reduce your speed by 20% and that's pretty sizable.

But meh...... its completely up to you what you want to do.

I would also recommend getting shield and armor upgrades up to level 5. This would increase your dropsuits base health by 25% (for both shields and armor). So instead of having something around 400 shields, and 400 armor you'll have 500 shields and 500 armor at base (without anything added on).

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BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 90	Posted - 2013.10.08 04:45:00 - [1] - Quote i have a proto heavy right with 10 mil sp and i just got my proto plates but i cant fit them on my proto sentinal suit with the rest of my proto gear ... i have adv dmg mods proto hmg ( i use boundless over freedom usually) proto smg and adv locus but will i ever be able to run my four complex plates ??? i currently have been working on getting cpu/pg up but it doesnt seem like the incrimental upgrades can fillthe gap i can currently run a single complex pl8 with 3 adv but no more if i could could i get some higher level heavies to chip in ???? join 'heavys only' channel
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 186	Posted - 2013.10.08 04:59:00 - [2] - Quote Sacrifice your firepower for more tank, from youre description you are doing the opposite. Put a standard SMG and maybe ditch the locus for a standard flux, maybe then you can fit those plates.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2051	Posted - 2013.10.08 05:05:00 - [3] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Sacrifice your firepower for more tank, from youre description you are doing the opposite. Put a standard SMG and maybe ditch the locus for a standard flux, maybe then you can fit those plates. This several times
jerrmy12 kahoalii Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 57	Posted - 2013.10.08 05:05:00 - [4] - Quote BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI wrote: i have a proto heavy right with 10 mil sp and i just got my proto plates but i cant fit them on my proto sentinal suit with the rest of my proto gear ... i have adv dmg mods proto hmg ( i use boundless over freedom usually) proto smg and adv locus but will i ever be able to run my four complex plates ??? i currently have been working on getting cpu/pg up but it doesnt seem like the incrimental upgrades can fillthe gap i can currently run a single complex pl8 with 3 adv but no more if i could could i get some higher level heavies to chip in ???? join 'heavys only' channel remove the smg and/or switch to ADV LMG
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 440	Posted - 2013.10.08 05:12:00 - [5] - Quote yeah that proto SMG is kill you. You can't have everything if you want that proto SMG you can't have complex armor mods.
BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 92	Posted - 2013.10.08 05:13:00 - [6] - Quote so the general consencus is that i will never be able to run full proto ???
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2122	Posted - 2013.10.08 05:14:00 - [7] - Quote If I have a proto Main weapon idk why I'd want to have a proto sidearm as well but that's just me. Getting my skills up for my sidearm is enough for me. No point in wasting a ton of money on something I use as a rare backup but I guess. But that's just because I run shotgun and Plasma Rifle.
XxGhazbaranxX Bannana Boat Corp 387	Posted - 2013.10.08 05:18:00 - [8] - Quote ditch side arm, use sleek grenade, learn when and where to reload... have a logibro buddy with support fire ready for when you need to reload because of your lack of side arm.... When I make a fit I usually think of what I want. If I want to fit full set of plates, Thats what I put on first and make sacrifices elsewhere. For example I am a logi. I fit plates first equipment second and the figure out what weapon fits int there. If at any moment it has to be a standard weapon then so be it.... I have advanced heavy. I fit my plates first HMG second and then make sacrifices anywhere else.
BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 92	Posted - 2013.10.08 05:18:00 - [9] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: If I have a proto Main weapon idk why I'd want to have a proto sidearm as well but that's just me. Getting my skills up for my sidearm is enough for me. No point in wasting a ton of money on something I use as a rare backup but I guess. But that's just because I run shotgun and Plasma Rifle. yeah but with a near 10 second reload time a good sidearm is a must + proto sidarm a must when running forge
DildoMcnutz Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 258	Posted - 2013.10.08 05:20:00 - [10] - Quote My fit on a proto heavy frame 2 complex damage 2 complex plates 1 complex rep boundless/six kin allotek flux grenade In all honesty I have had absolutely no use for a side arm on my heavy HMG suit, it seems like a good idea considering the long reload time but I have never had to pull one out when I actually had them fit in the beginning.

DildoMcnutz Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 258	Posted - 2013.10.08 05:22:00 - [11] - Quote BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: If I have a proto Main weapon idk why I'd want to have a proto sidearm as well but that's just me. Getting my skills up for my sidearm is enough for me. No point in wasting a ton of money on something I use as a rare backup but I guess. But that's just because I run shotgun and Plasma Rifle. yeah but with a near 10 second reload time a good sidearm is a must + proto sidarm a must when running forge On the Hmg I disagree, on the forge gun yes I run a six kin smg, but hit points mean jack sheet on a forge fitting.
castba Penguin's March 145	Posted - 2013.10.08 05:35:00 - [12] - Quote BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: If I have a proto Main weapon idk why I'd want to have a proto sidearm as well but that's just me. Getting my skills up for my sidearm is enough for me. No point in wasting a ton of money on something I use as a rare backup but I guess. But that's just because I run shotgun and Plasma Rifle. yeah but with a near 10 second reload time a good sidearm is a must + proto sidarm a must when running forge Nah, reload skill for HMG and sentinel bonus mean that HMG can reload in about 5.5 seconds (starts at 8). Basic SMG for finishing off if you happen to run out of rounds taking down multiple reds and picking your reload time and place are paramount. Forge? Yep, but advanced SMG will usually do fine outside of PC. Save the proto stuff for plates/shields/damage mods
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 647	Posted - 2013.10.08 05:37:00 - [13] - Quote BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI wrote: so the general consencus is that i will never be able to run full proto ??? Dude, I have Dropsuit Electronics Lv5 and Engineering Lv4 (5 is useless for me, because I won't be able to fill the PG without running out of CPU on a Caldari suit) and I can only dream about having every single piece of equipment to Proto level on my CK.0. Forget about it... My idea of "Full Proto" is proto shields, main weapon and grenade OR equipment. I have to run all the rest to basic level to fit this stuff. I might train all the optimization skills in the future, but it takes an insane amount of SP for very little rewards, so this is a very low position in my list.
BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 92	Posted - 2013.10.08 05:44:00 - [14] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI wrote: so the general consencus is that i will never be able to run full proto ??? Dude, I have Dropsuit Electronics Lv5 and Engineering Lv4 (5 is useless for me, because I won't be able to fill the PG without running out of CPU on a Caldari suit) and I can only dream about having every single piece of equipment to Proto level on my CK.0. Forget about it... My idea of "Full Proto" is proto shields, main weapon and grenade OR equipment. I have to run all the rest to basic level to fit this stuff. I might train all the optimization skills in the future, but it takes an insane amount of SP for very little rewards, so this is a very low position in my list. thank you keri that was exactly what i was looking for
Garth Mandra The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 140	Posted - 2013.10.08 06:02:00 - [15] - Quote Yeah you're not going to be able to run proto gear in every slot. Unless proto fitting modules count....
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 649	Posted - 2013.10.08 06:06:00 - [16] - Quote BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI wrote: so the general consencus is that i will never be able to run full proto ??? Dude, I have Dropsuit Electronics Lv5 and Engineering Lv4 (5 is useless for me, because I won't be able to fill the PG without running out of CPU on a Caldari suit) and I can only dream about having every single piece of equipment to Proto level on my CK.0. Forget about it... My idea of "Full Proto" is proto shields, main weapon and grenade OR equipment. I have to run all the rest to basic level to fit this stuff. I might train all the optimization skills in the future, but it takes an insane amount of SP for very little rewards, so this is a very low position in my list. thank you keri that was exactly what i was looking for No problem!
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 1139	Posted - 2013.10.08 06:39:00 - [17] - Quote If your problem is PG, switch to flaylock. Also, do all the stuff other people are saying.
I-Shayz-I Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 1009	Posted - 2013.10.08 08:57:00 - [18] - Quote The only way to go full proto is to use a complex CPU and PG mod. You might be sacrificing two low slots, but you'll have everything prototype. Also BTW: I run a basic heavy with two highs to fit two complex damage mods on an advanced HMG. That's doing a TON more damage then your boundless with a single enhanced damage mod. Heck I could probably run a basic HMG and still being doing more damage. Use an advanced weapon with a complex damage mod and you'll save yourself both money and fitting costs. Lastly, don't just run 4 plates. You'll be so slow that the extra health won't do anything for you. That, and if you don't have anyone to keep reps on you, or even just a way to slowly repair your armor between battles, you're just wasting fitting space again. Advanced or even basic plates will keep your speed up without sacrificing too much health.
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 583	Posted - 2013.10.08 09:46:00 - [19] - Quote -2x Complex DMG Mods -3x Complex Armor Upgrades -1x ADV Armor Upgrade -MH-82 HMG -Flux grenades -TT-3 Assault Scrambler Pistol
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1038	Posted - 2013.10.08 10:52:00 - [20] - Quote BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI wrote: so the general consencus is that i will never be able to run full proto ??? Well that depends on what you mean by "full proto" Because technically the only items designated with "proto" are your weapons and dropsuit. All the modules are labeled as "complex". Heres the thing dude. What you have to do from here on out is level up your core skills. CPU upgrades, and PG upgrades are a start. That will net you 25% extra For each right there. Those two skills are expensive, but having those will ensure that every suit you make in the future will be able to get fitted to its fullest potential. If you want to go really advanced you can get "dropsuit core upgrades" to level 5 and that will give you and additional 5% to PG/CPU, adding up to 30% boost on both. Now..... if you are in fact using the proto sentinel suit then you should have 4 lows. If you want to have 4 complex plates on it then your probably going to have to drop something else, because complex plates take up a CRAP TON of PG. So basically when you get to this point its all about what matters more to you. Do you like having a crap ton of health but only a decent gun? Or would you prefer above average health with a great gun? Keep in mind that Four complex armor plates would reduce your speed by 20% and that's pretty sizable. But meh...... its completely up to you what you want to do. I would also recommend getting shield and armor upgrades up to level 5. This would increase your dropsuits base health by 25% (for both shields and armor). So instead of having something around 400 shields, and 400 armor you'll have 500 shields and 500 armor at base (without anything added on).

Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 389	Posted - 2013.10.08 11:04:00 - [21] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Sacrifice your firepower for more tank, from youre description you are doing the opposite. Put a standard SMG and maybe ditch the locus for a standard flux, maybe then you can fit those plates. This several times this
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 389	Posted - 2013.10.08 11:05:00 - [22] - Quote ide suggest the mh82 with a syndicate or toxin and standard fluxes then tank the hp out
BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 93	Posted - 2013.10.09 00:15:00 - [23] - Quote Marston VC wrote: BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI wrote: so the general consencus is that i will never be able to run full proto ??? Well that depends on what you mean by "full proto" Because technically the only items designated with "proto" are your weapons and dropsuit. All the modules are labeled as "complex". Heres the thing dude. What you have to do from here on out is level up your core skills. CPU upgrades, and PG upgrades are a start. That will net you 25% extra For each right there. Those two skills are expensive, but having those will ensure that every suit you make in the future will be able to get fitted to its fullest potential. If you want to go really advanced you can get "dropsuit core upgrades" to level 5 and that will give you and additional 5% to PG/CPU, adding up to 30% boost on both. Now..... if you are in fact using the proto sentinel suit then you should have 4 lows. If you want to have 4 complex plates on it then your probably going to have to drop something else, because complex plates take up a CRAP TON of PG. So basically when you get to this point its all about what matters more to you. Do you like having a crap ton of health but only a decent gun? Or would you prefer above average health with a great gun? Keep in mind that Four complex armor plates would reduce your speed by 20% and that's pretty sizable. But meh...... its completely up to you what you want to do. I would also recommend getting shield and armor upgrades up to level 5. This would increase your dropsuits base health by 25% (for both shields and armor). So instead of having something around 400 shields, and 400 armor you'll have 500 shields and 500 armor at base (without anything added on). im currently working on getting my bases armor/sheilds up to full but normally in pub matches i run std sentinel a-1 hmg(basic) adv dmg mod m-1 locus basic armor pl8 basic armor rep just fyi
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1638	Posted - 2013.10.09 00:21:00 - [24] - Quote BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI wrote: i have a proto heavy right with 10 mil sp and i just got my proto plates but i cant fit them on my proto sentinal suit with the rest of my proto gear ... i have adv dmg mods proto hmg ( i use boundless over freedom usually) proto smg and adv locus but will i ever be able to run my four complex plates ??? i currently have been working on getting cpu/pg up but it doesnt seem like the incrimental upgrades can fillthe gap i can currently run a single complex pl8 with 3 adv but no more if i could could i get some higher level heavies to chip in ???? join 'heavys only' channel Cx SMG's are WAY too Expensive. Drop it for STD SMG or ADV Flaylock (since your boundless will be your main anyways) and MAybe at level 4 - 5 passive CPU-PG you might be able to fit 2 - 3 cx armor plates...(I think, im not a HiGHER level Heavy, im and Adv Proto Forgegunner) BTW this channel for heavies only? i have a member in my corp that is a very decent Heavy and he's looking for some advice and to play with other heavies... couldd you elaborate more on this channel please?
BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 93	Posted - 2013.10.09 00:35:00 - [25] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI wrote: i have a proto heavy right with 10 mil sp and i just got my proto plates but i cant fit them on my proto sentinal suit with the rest of my proto gear ... i have adv dmg mods proto hmg ( i use boundless over freedom usually) proto smg and adv locus but will i ever be able to run my four complex plates ??? i currently have been working on getting cpu/pg up but it doesnt seem like the incrimental upgrades can fillthe gap i can currently run a single complex pl8 with 3 adv but no more if i could could i get some higher level heavies to chip in ???? join 'heavys only' channel Cx SMG's are WAY too Expensive. Drop it for STD SMG or ADV Flaylock (since your boundless will be your main anyways) and MAybe at level 4 - 5 passive CPU-PG you might be able to fit 2 - 3 cx armor plates...(I think, im not a HiGHER level Heavy, im and Adv Proto Forgegunner) BTW this channel for heavies only? i have a member in my corp that is a very decent Heavy and he's looking for some advice and to play with other heavies... couldd you elaborate more on this channel please? thx for the advice ... the chanel is for any one who runs a heavy dropsuit wether they use ar or hmg ... it is fairly active but still growing tell him to check it out hopefully he stays ^-^ also its always fun to have 3+ heavies on a sqd (logis love us )
toasterwaffles Hostile Acquisition Inc 5	Posted - 2013.10.28 00:20:00 - [26] - Quote Mistake post
toasterwaffles Hostile Acquisition Inc 5	Posted - 2013.10.28 00:22:00 - [27] - Quote toasterwaffles wrote: [quote=BLACKSTAR AND TSUBAKI] i have a proto heavy right with 10 mil sp and i just got my proto plates but i cant fit them on my proto sentinal suit with the rest of my proto gear ... i have adv dmg mods proto hmg ( i use boundless over freedom usually) proto smg and adv locus but will i ever be able to run my four complex plates ??? i currently have been working on getting cpu/pg up but it doesnt seem like the incrimental upgrades can fillthe gap i can currently run a single complex pl8 with 3 adv but no more 3 complex one enhanced with my freedom, or boundless, then see what fits the other Slots, but no secondary weapon. I have over 1500 health and can survive rail or forge direct hits
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 893	Posted - 2013.10.28 00:36:00 - [28] - Quote This suit fits: Sentinel Ak.0 - Boundless Heavy Machine Gun M209 Assault Submachine Gun M1 Locus Grenades Complex Heavy Damage Modifier Complex Armor Plates Complex Armor Plates Complex Armor Plates Enhanced Armor Plates 506 shield, 1073 armor. You need damn good PG skills. And I don't know if you know this, but the M209 Assault SMG has the same DPS as the Six Kin SMG (slightly higher, actually), but it's 13k isk cheaper and way easier to fit. ED: BONUS - I thought up a fit name, too. "TANK YOU VERY MUCH"


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