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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.10.08 03:04:00 -
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Can we be both a pilot and a mercenary at the same time? If we are a mercenary are we restricted to fighting on the ground or can one clone do both? I want to say I am a pilot but I also want to say I'm a merc. How does lore work here? |
Heinz Doofenshertz
BetaMax.
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Posted - 2013.10.08 03:14:00 -
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if by pilot you mean a podpilot, no you can't be both.
If you mean flying a dropship then yes
To explain about the pod pilots, they use a neural interface set of implants that allow for them to take over the operations of a star ship. Mercs do not have those implants and infact the implants and changes to the bunny bodies make it impossible for them to recieve those implants as they interfere with each others functions. |
Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1089
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Posted - 2013.10.08 03:17:00 -
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Heinz Doofenshertz wrote:if by pilot you mean a podpilot, no you can't be both.
If you mean flying a dropship then yes
To explain about the pod pilots, they use a neural interface set of implants that allow for them to take over the operations of a star ship. Mercs do not have those implants and infact the implants and changes to the bunny bodies make it impossible for them to recieve those implants as they interfere with each others functions.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.10.08 03:22:00 -
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Basically when we jack into our vehicles we're still pretty much controlling them manually and not by thoughts. Just our suits augment our subconscious processing to its defenses and offenses.
Eve Pilots on the other hand mentally become the ship, scratching the hull causes them pain. Attacking other ships is a means of mentally lashing out. The neural pathways required are both genetic and intensive training needed.
Mercenaries you can simply yank a guy off the street, and as long as he as the mental fortitude of surviving the first death and putting faith into the tech, anyone can become a merc, not everyone can become a pilot. |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1024
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Posted - 2013.10.08 03:29:00 -
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Heinz Doofenshertz wrote:if by pilot you mean a podpilot, no you can't be both.
If you mean flying a dropship then yes
To explain about the pod pilots, they use a neural interface set of implants that allow for them to take over the operations of a star ship. Mercs do not have those implants and infact the implants and changes to the bunny bodies make it impossible for them to recieve those implants as they interfere with each others functions.
This is how I was thinking. |
Thurak1
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
256
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Posted - 2013.10.08 03:33:00 -
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Heinz Doofenshertz wrote:if by pilot you mean a podpilot, no you can't be both.
If you mean flying a dropship then yes
To explain about the pod pilots, they use a neural interface set of implants that allow for them to take over the operations of a star ship. Mercs do not have those implants and infact the implants and changes to the bunny bodies make it impossible for them to recieve those implants as they interfere with each others functions.
Love the name btw.
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SgtDoughnut
Red Star Jr.
EoN.
261
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Posted - 2013.10.08 03:36:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Basically when we jack into our vehicles we're still pretty much controlling them manually and not by thoughts. Just our suits augment our subconscious processing to its defenses and offenses.
Eve Pilots on the other hand mentally become the ship, scratching the hull causes them pain. Attacking other ships is a means of mentally lashing out. The neural pathways required are both genetic and intensive training needed.
Mercenaries you can simply yank a guy off the street, and as long as he as the mental fortitude of surviving the first death and putting faith into the tech, anyone can become a merc, not everyone can become a pilot.
Yet oddly merc tech is more advanced than capsule tech. Remember we cant ever die unless our clone contract is revoked. You kill a capsuler too far away from his pod, hes dead. |
Dagger-Two
Villore Joint Task Force
Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.10.08 04:06:00 -
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I don't know about the implants interfering with one another, but to become a capsuleer you need a specific set of genetic markers. Without them, interfacing with the hydrostatic capsule causes whats known as the 'wetgrave' where a persons mind becomes, in a sense, trapped within the connection resulting in permanent coma inside the capsule.
The genetic sequence is itself incredibly rare, which is why there are not many capsuleer in relation to the total population of New Eden (Which numbers in the many trillions)
Yes, the implants used by the mercenaries are based on much more advanced technology (since the Sleepers were more technologically advanced than the Jovians they split from) and can be used in nearly anyone.
If you kill a capsuleer outside his pod, he dies, period. The only reason he is immortal inside the pod is because of a piece of tech called a Transneural Burning Scanner which scans the brain upon pod breach and transmits the data almost instantaneously. the scanner could theoretically be used on anyone, pod or no pod.
That being said, 'soft' cloning is commonly used by the very wealthy anyways. Soft cloning is like creating a save point for life. From time to time you update an existing clone with your current brain state, and if you happen to die, that clone can be activated and you essentially pick up from the point you last updated. This is easily accessible to capsuleers, and prevents erasure from existence by a random act of violence.
Don't forget that, until a dust merc can own and maintain his own clones, he is property and his immortality is completely dependent on the people who hold his clones. While we are formidable soldiers, capsuleers are still far more powerful entities and likely always will be. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2675
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Posted - 2013.10.08 04:07:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Can we be both a pilot and a mercenary at the same time? If we are a mercenary are we restricted to fighting on the ground or can one clone do both? I want to say I am a pilot but I also want to say I'm a merc. How does lore work here?
NO you cannot, hence the reason we cannot make our mercs pilots even though they inhabit the same universe, the implants I assume would clash badly. |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
520
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Posted - 2013.10.08 04:30:00 -
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This question was posed by EVE players when DUST was first announced, only the other way around GÇö "Can EVE pilots become mercs".
The jist of the out of game answer is that (to loosely paraphrase) "Just as in RL you don't have jet pilots or astronauts don't usually work in ground combat fields or vice versa; so capsuleers wouldn't be doing ground combet too."
I think the real answer is that CCP would a collective aneurysm trying to translate EVE characters over. Besides, what would be the point?
My RP answer is that my EVE characters have transferred their consciousness into a clone that is set up for planetary combat. Same char names but with Operative in front the name. |
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Heinz Doofenshertz
BetaMax.
518
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Posted - 2013.10.08 09:13:00 -
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the main issue with using two clone types for the same mind, is that the nueral pathways would not match as the brains a very different, bunnies have an extra lobe that does alot of things. including act as a fluid router and solidstate storage.
Killing a podpilot outside of their pod would trigger whats called a medical scan clone. these in lore can be done every so often and if a pod fails to transmit or a pod pilot dies outside the pod these clones are activated and they have no memory of anything between when the med scan was done and when they died, including all training. this is explained in templar one as well. |
MySpaceTom
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2014.01.06 08:51:00 -
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Heinz Doofenshertz wrote:the main issue with using two clone types for the same mind, is that the nueral pathways would not match as the brains a very different, bunnies have an extra lobe that does alot of things. including act as a fluid router and solidstate storage.
Killing a podpilot outside of their pod would trigger whats called a medical scan clone. these in lore can be done every so often and if a pod fails to transmit or a pod pilot dies outside the pod these clones are activated and they have no memory of anything between when the med scan was done and when they died, including all training. this is explained in templar one as well.
I wondered about this for a long time now. Who or what entity mediates the bunnies memory transference systems between clones?
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
1364
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Posted - 2014.01.06 08:58:00 -
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Got to love us nerds.
GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride."
Hunter S. Thompson
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
3699
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Posted - 2014.01.06 09:01:00 -
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That guy in space named Sinboto totally isn't me, that'd be impossible.........
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 3
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
745
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Posted - 2014.01.06 09:04:00 -
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SgtDoughnut wrote:
Yet oddly merc tech is more advanced than capsule tech. Remember we cant ever die unless our clone contract is revoked. You kill a capsuler too far away from his pod, hes dead.
What? They'll just activate a clone at their designated medical facility. We carry ours with us but the concept is the same. Capsuleers never "die" any more than we do. They just might be far away from the facility but that's the only difference. Because even when you destroy an egger's pod you aren't actually killing them as the pod detects fatal damage and injects the capsuleer with a potent nuerotoxin within nanoseconds of hull breach and transferring their consciousness to a new clone.
Or were you talking just lore wise and not actual gameplay?
"STFU I'm awesome, all your points are invalid as I kill proto's all the time nubs." - Infinite Diversity IDIC
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
1366
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Posted - 2014.01.06 09:07:00 -
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I posted this three months ago and I have had more replies in the last 30 minutes than in 3 months. Weird.
GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride."
Hunter S. Thompson
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
974
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Posted - 2014.01.06 09:09:00 -
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Heinz Doofenshertz wrote:the main issue with using two clone types for the same mind, is that the nueral pathways would not match as the brains a very different, bunnies have an extra lobe that does alot of things. including act as a fluid router and solidstate storage.
Killing a podpilot outside of their pod would trigger whats called a medical scan clone. these in lore can be done every so often and if a pod fails to transmit or a pod pilot dies outside the pod these clones are activated and they have no memory of anything between when the med scan was done and when they died, including all training. this is explained in templar one as well.
Dust bunnies transmit their neural state continuously, while the pods do the scanning at the moment the pod hull is breached (but before the brain is destroyed).
Also the pod pilot clones are _high quality_ clones, costing everything from hundred thousand ISK to a as much as a couple hundred million. While some in CCP dream of a day when you can move your clone between the games, the lore just doesn't support it. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:01:00 -
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Anokis and New Eden are not the same galaxy and they're seperated by a very far amounts of space, there is no jump restriction for clone mentatily as they are too quantum entangled.
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Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
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G Torq
ALTA B2O
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:06:00 -
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Heinz Doofenshertz wrote:the main issue with using two clone types for the same mind, is that the nueral pathways would not match as the brains a very different, bunnies have an extra lobe that does alot of things. including act as a fluid router and solidstate storage.
Killing a podpilot outside of their pod would trigger whats called a medical scan clone. these in lore can be done every so often and if a pod fails to transmit or a pod pilot dies outside the pod these clones are activated and they have no memory of anything between when the med scan was done and when they died, including all training. this is explained in templar one as well.
Nerd :)
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
9688
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:11:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Heinz Doofenshertz wrote:if by pilot you mean a podpilot, no you can't be both.
If you mean flying a dropship then yes
To explain about the pod pilots, they use a neural interface set of implants that allow for them to take over the operations of a star ship. Mercs do not have those implants and infact the implants and changes to the bunny bodies make it impossible for them to recieve those implants as they interfere with each others functions. this
When did you join OSG?
Assault Dropship Montage
Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University
Ivy League
2647
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:18:00 -
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What if your merc was a clone of a capsuleer? Would that work, essentially 2 different people (the merc clone is simply a clone, no conscience transfer, it has it's own conscience)
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
1384
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:25:00 -
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Fire of Prometheus wrote:What if your merc was a clone of a capsuleer? Would that work, essentially 2 different people (the merc clone is simply a clone, no conscience transfer, it has it's own conscience)
This I like. I am my own clones clone. Gives new meaning to me, myself and I.
I have gone to look for myself, if I should return before I get back please ask myself to wait.
GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride."
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Dagger-Two
Gespenster Kompanie
194
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:13:00 -
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If you think about it, a capsuleer COULD technically have a clone fitted with the instant-transfer implant.
Most Capsuleers use a technique called Jump-Cloning to make themselves almost omni-present in New Eden. A jump clone is basically a clone of you (sometimes called an Infomorph) that you keep somewhere far away, perhaps in a different region of space or even a different empire. Rather than fly there manually, wasting your precious time, you can clone-jump there instantly.
What that entails is a 'soft' scan of the capsuleers brain, which is then transmitted to the facility with the Jump Clone. There, the brains are compared, and changes are updated into the infomorph (updated from whenever the last time it was used). The real you then goes to sleep in stasis, while your infomorph awakens to do whatever it is you wanted to do.
Since such cloning doesn't rely directly on a capsuleers implants in any way, and could be done by anyone really (anyone very wealthy), it is possible a capsuleer could have a clone grown for themselves, with the implant, and then jump-clone to it.
Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
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Dagger-Two
Gespenster Kompanie
194
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:18:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Fire of Prometheus wrote:What if your merc was a clone of a capsuleer? Would that work, essentially 2 different people (the merc clone is simply a clone, no conscience transfer, it has it's own conscience) This I like. I am my own clones clone. Gives new meaning to me, myself and I. I have gone to look for myself, if I should return before I get back please ask myself to wait.
Haha. No kidding.
The only thing is, I believe it is law that only 1 clone of a person may be active at a time. Apart from the legal problems that could arise, having multiple '"you's" running around can apparently be psychologically devestating.
The only person on record as having successfully had multiple copies of himself roaming around working toward a common goal was The Broker, and he could do it because he was ACTUALLY insane.
Playing since 1st batch of closed beta keys.
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
1478
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:31:00 -
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I don't understand why gel breathers haven't moved over to the dust tech. The pod system relies on sensors detecting death, plus the fact you can't leave your pod, if you don't want to die.
The dust tech is more practical for the gel breathers too.
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