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Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:38:00 -
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just because scrubs suck at dust (big surprise) doesnt mean a whole class is bad ..yes you can pull top of the boards without firing a bullet in dust..yes that same person can get those same scores while killing 20 or 30 people..just because SCRUBS cant doesnt mean real logi's dont. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1633
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:43:00 -
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I play Logi normally, but sometimes i jump into my Assault suit when i feel like killing things for a bit.
People in this game is to single-minded, you can do multiple things at the same time if you want too. |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:46:00 -
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i have proto amrian logi adv heavy adv min logi ..almost proto amarian assault
proto weapons = forge swarm laser md smg nades
equip nanos/inject repper uplinks gunlogi madrugar limbus charybdis i am capable of covering av aspects logi aspects and slayer aspects..i dont wanna hear logistics does nothing, my effect on a battle field is tangible from the map screw anyone who insults logistics |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1375
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:47:00 -
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Logi lesson #1: Don't get more WP and top the COD assault player on the match leaderboards, otherwise they QQ on forums about logis being OP. And logis get nerfed.
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Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
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Posted - 2013.10.07 10:48:00 -
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i dare any of these scrubs to try and claim alldin kan got 0 kills in his old vko logi in closed beta lol kills involve gun game if your a logi and ur not getting kills you should go play a turn based rpg |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1375
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:02:00 -
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BTW, anybody who was for the calogi nerf, cannot claim innocence in logi nerfing.
I find it funny now that some players are finally recognizing that a logi isn't required to be a medic. Only wish they had come to that conclusion before the calogi got nerfed.
Calogi was the original assault logi, yet other logis and assault players were too insecure, so they QQed and got us nerfed.
Any pathetic logi that QQed about the calogi, should be ashamed. |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
1396
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:02:00 -
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I think the main complaint stems from the fact that it APPEARS the logistics player does not need to work as hard to earn the WP.
Which, partially, is true. What's there to dropping hives, uplinks, reviving and repairing?
But those who get to the top place hives in places where people WANT to resupply, and uplinks where people WANT to respawn.
They revive people successfully, and hence can gain extra repair points and not die themselves.
They also get points for the occasional kill.
OH, and did anyone notice that assists aren't displayed on the killboard? Mmmmm....
Not to mention vehicle destruction, hacks, hack assists... yep, that Minmatar Logi. hacking bonus has its advantages...
edit: oh and I cried about the callogi too. Come at me. We all know the game got better after it got its combat prowess hammered down. |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:14:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:BTW, anybody who was for the calogi nerf, cannot claim innocence in logi nerfing. I find it funny now that some players are finally recognizing that a logi isn't required to be a medic. Only wish they had come to that conclusion before the calogi got nerfed. Calogi was the original assault logi, yet other logis and assault players were too insecure, so they QQed and got us nerfed. Any pathetic logi that QQed about the calogi, should be ashamed. a the time i was comparing it to my amarian logi which is by description the assault logi..and as you know it was in general useless for anything but av..and has slowly been buffed..but i do agree the cal logi is a bit off now and i dont think it would be op vs everything now exspecially when you cant put that nastyness tac on it anymore..i think it was more evrything else being off that made the cal op..and now that everything in that are is being reworked the cal logi looks weaker and weaker ..not even counting..what i warned ccp of with the fluxes..has everyone caught on to fluxes on armor tanked suits yet? has the qqing started |
KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
304
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:17:00 -
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Why let it get to you?
This is a free game, there are idiots pouring in right and left and just because they play CoD they want to comment on dust.
"OH WTF I killed 7 guys he killed 1 and has twice as many points?!" /uninstall.
As soon as you understand this game is meant to ward off idiots in favor of a hardcore base you will understand what Dust is meant to be. Let the morons weed themselves out.
Let them crap their pants and leave. good riddance.
Enjoy your well deserved Logi WP.
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Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
382
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:18:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:I think the main complaint stems from the fact that it APPEARS the logistics player does not need to work as hard to earn the WP.
Which, partially, is true. What's there to dropping hives, uplinks, reviving and repairing?
But those who get to the top place hives in places where people WANT to resupply, and uplinks where people WANT to respawn.
They revive people successfully, and hence can gain extra repair points and not die themselves.
They also get points for the occasional kill.
OH, and did anyone notice that assists aren't displayed on the killboard? Mmmmm....
Not to mention vehicle destruction, hacks, hack assists... yep, that Minmatar Logi. hacking bonus has its advantages...
edit: oh and I cried about the callogi too. Come at me. We all know the game got better after it got its combat prowess hammered down. 1 weapon 1 nade....lower hp..higher self healing ability...this is the difference between logi and assault...
what you you see now in dust is the poor minmatar logi's suffering and spamming gear and then dieing..the gallente amarian and cal logi's seem to trump the minmatar now which is sad because loads of people are specced down that path..i myself am partially for the sever .. but once i realized how awesome it was i started speccing up..after this last patch i stopped immediately ..and so to did the survival of the min logi |
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Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
382
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:20:00 -
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KGB Sleep wrote:Why let it get to you?
This is a free game, there are idiots pouring in right and left and just because they play CoD they want to comment on dust.
"OH WTF I killed 7 guys he killed 1 and has twice as many points?!" /uninstall.
As soon as you understand this game is meant to ward off idiots in favor of a hardcore base you will understand what Dust is meant to be. Let the morons weed themselves out.
Let them crap their pants and leave. good riddance.
Enjoy your well deserved Logi WP.
the problem isnt their words its the fear that ccp will listen to them ..ccp has an issue with only listening to the new players who know nothing and letting veteran beta player advice go unheard ..they're are so many examples of this do not get me started...my reasons are explained enough |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
1141
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:23:00 -
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I love logis ...... when im running heavy theres nothing better than good ol logi love ..
1 logis will save you suits and thusly isk.
2 logis will keep you in the fight with reps.
3 logis will get ammo down whare you need it.
4 logis will out out uplinks so you can get to the front quicker.
All this whil taking fire in bright yellow suits....often risking tgeir own death to get you up and back in action
MON THE LOGIBROS..... |
Dust Junky 4Life
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:26:00 -
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U guys I swear. I get first place every match w zero kills in a fking FREE suit. Im sry most r 2 ignorant to know how to play. I work my azz off for first place. I also lose 2 ships every match. Let em nerf logi, ill still get first. |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
382
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:27:00 -
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not as much as we love our heavy counterparts..i miss all the proto heavies i used to run with..2 man death team...my logi's all set with weapons that directly counter heavy hmg's weaknessess lol and i run logi lavs as well..sight not allota good heavy bro's left in dust do we not have a channel for these teams? im running logi all morning ..? and i am recording (no voices) because i am sick of people insulting my class and think they're needs to be a few veteran videos to throw at these assholes who claim logi's cannot kill |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
382
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:29:00 -
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Dust Junky 4Life wrote:U guys I swear. I get first place every match w zero kills in a fking FREE suit. Im sry most r 2 ignorant to know how to play. I work my azz off for first place. I also lose 2 ships every match. Let em nerf logi, ill still get first. you have never done that when someone like us was running the match because no one can pull higher than me ina free suit logi 2 logi...what you describe is a scrubs fest....maybe ccp's match makers are working? are scrubs not being put in with vets anymore...i wouldnt think the playerbase was large enough for such a distinction .. |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
1141
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:32:00 -
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The only logi I see that should br focusing on kills and destruction I.e. murderlogi/engineer is the ammar logi . My fave ammar logi fit is adv swarms, klo scrambler pistol , remote explosives av or flux nades and nanohives its amonster.
The best logi for front line logi has to be the mini because of all the equipment it can carry. My dedicated logibro markofdeath is a bloddy walking swiss army knife. |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
382
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:32:00 -
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Dust Junky 4Life wrote:U guys I swear. I get first place every match w zero kills in a fking FREE suit. Im sry most r 2 ignorant to know how to play. I work my azz off for first place. I also lose 2 ships every match. Let em nerf logi, ill still get first. in fact i know u have i have seen you and you are one of the reasons people are crying for us to be nerfed an ******* spamming crappy logi gear terribly and hurting the team. .. a logi used well can save the match a logi used poorly can destroy the allied team. |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
382
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:34:00 -
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those uplinks can cause rukus and mass death as well as tactical support and injectors is the same people like you are gunna get us nerfed ...i think injectors should not give wp rewards unless the target survives for 7 seconds ccp u need to do this..it wont effect vets and will stop injector spam. |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
382
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:36:00 -
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i cant honestly think of a way to fix the way some of these scrub logi's deploy uplinks...but if it isnt proto it isnt likely safe to spawn on in my mind if its not laid by someone i know i wont spawn period...unless they're is a veteran i know and respect on my side and i see its a proto(safe to assume belongs to vet) |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:39:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:The only logi I see that should br focusing on kills and destruction I.e. murderlogi/engineer is the ammar logi . My fave ammar logi fit is adv swarms, klo scrambler pistol , remote explosives av or flux nades and nanohives its amonster.
The best logi for front line logi has to be the mini because of all the equipment it can carry. My dedicated logibro markofdeath is a bloddy walking swiss army knife. swarm prof V baby and the same with smg and forge...my amarian logi is cruel..with the proper squad i will just run around with wykomi swarm 2 dmg mod and ishukone assault 1 dmg mod...caqn i hear it for mobile squad armed with av woowoo ust in case lol and..if you think your gunna run into me get past my squad and still not die after you bump into me with that proto smg your a fool....i doubt you would even get close enough for me to waste my time on ya :) MORTE LOVES TEAMWORK
and my suits are all built to compliment different suits people use ..down to the weapons..a viziam laser proto smg is cruel next to a boundless proto heavy
and dont forget that md
and i run dmg mods on suits but i have alternate forms for each that is hybrid tanked with injector heal hive resupply hive ..in case i have to account for poor teamwork and gun game..in which case i run more like a lead assualt spamming logi gear behind me |
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J Falcs
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
153
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:40:00 -
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Please allow players to hack enemy equipment so that I can accumulate more WP with my Min Logi. |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
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Posted - 2013.10.07 11:45:00 -
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J Falcs wrote:Please allow players to hack enemy equipment so that I can accumulate more WP with my Min Logi. i love this idea with a minmatar based tool..let all logis have the abilities to use one but make the minmatar skills make it just more in their hands faster hacking..maybe slightly enhanced effect ares...it should be a point and shoot equip with a lock and then hack function..
like similar to the repper tool but let it hack..and be min
i would also like a caldari opposite to the repper tool a shield transporter tool
i wish you would give me an amarian tool that allowed me to boost allies damage can i hear it woowoo mobile dmg mod..oh our rail tank needs help....makes my amarian logi light av fit so tactically cruel |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
300
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:07:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:BTW, anybody who was for the calogi nerf, cannot claim innocence in logi nerfing. I find it funny now that some players are finally recognizing that a logi isn't required to be a medic. Only wish they had come to that conclusion before the calogi got nerfed. Calogi was the original assault logi, yet other logis and assault players were too insecure, so they QQed and got us nerfed. Any pathetic logi that QQed about the calogi, should be ashamed.
Nope, now the cal logi is about as easy to kill as other Logis its working as intended, it was never supposed to be the assault logi, its description is the opposite actually.
My amarr logi got a needed buff, now working as intended, also check its description, side arm should already be a hint. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
300
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:10:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:BTW, anybody who was for the calogi nerf, cannot claim innocence in logi nerfing. I find it funny now that some players are finally recognizing that a logi isn't required to be a medic. Only wish they had come to that conclusion before the calogi got nerfed. Calogi was the original assault logi, yet other logis and assault players were too insecure, so they QQed and got us nerfed. Any pathetic logi that QQed about the calogi, should be ashamed. a the time i was comparing it to my amarian logi which is by description the assault logi..and as you know it was in general useless for anything but av..and has slowly been buffed..but i do agree the cal logi is a bit off now and i dont think it would be op vs everything now exspecially when you cant put that nastyness tac on it anymore..i think it was more evrything else being off that made the cal op..and now that everything in that are is being reworked the cal logi looks weaker and weaker ..not even counting..what i warned ccp of with the fluxes..has everyone caught on to fluxes on armor tanked suits yet? has the qqing started
See cal logi running around with more than 500 armour, loads of shield, they are fine and they should feel lucky it doesn't match its description as well as the winmatar. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
5680
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:11:00 -
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I swear, this ****ing community goes in circles when there isn't something to persistently complain about. Next we'll all be talking about mass drivers again. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2672
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:15:00 -
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I would not have nerfed the CPU on Caldari as much they did, but I think changing the bonus was warranted. That said, I also wouldn't have changed it to a regulator bonus...
The Amarr Logi changes were very positive though. I think the Caldari could use a different bonus then what they wound up with, but the assaults could use different bonuses too.
You can't blame people for pointing out that something isn't working quite right (which was true) when the change that CCP makes is a bit bizarre. |
Drapedup Drippedout
G.U.T.Z
19
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:39:00 -
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there are 6 ways to earn WP as a logi. (NanoH, NanoC, uplinks, hacks, scans, kills).
As FLF, you only have 3 options -- Kill, 1 equip slot, hack.
I love my Logis, you guys keep me up, and fill my ammo. CCP, don't touch Logis!
However, the biggest difference is that if you are Calogi for example, you get 5 hi's and 4 lows in addition to your other ways to earn WP.
As FLF, use Min as an example....5hi's, 2 low's (Calogi can run 2 Cpu enhancers and still have same slot loadout as min assault!!!). No significant boost to CPU/PG. Now in theory I should be able to beef up my suit to be more adept at killing b.c. I'm not running 3 equip slots. Not the case at all. If I want to run Complex anything for HI's I have to use a low for CPU taking away from HP ultimately. Leaving me with 1 low slot available (which almost HAS to be and armor plate mod, so take hacking off the table as a viable WP generator). Down to 2 ways to generate WP.
Now do I run shield extenders or dmg mods? If I want to kill people better I have to sacrifice my HP to do it. Which pretty much pigeon holds my play style to ~650 hp and dmg mods if I want to earn any substantial WP at all.
I think FLF is butt hurt because our suits are vastly inferior in terms of options and loadouts to produce WP. This isn't the logibros fault, but rather an imbalance in the game right now. When a CalLogi runs 2 cpu enhancers, 5 hi's, 2 low's, and 3 equip...Why the hell would anyone go Assault? The logistic suit can do my job, better than me, and still LOGI as well!
The answer may be to boost Dmg output on FLF suits, or some how make up for the imbalance. As an FLF I don't feel like my suit is specialized to do my job. That's all. QQ. |
Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
387
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:43:00 -
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Drapedup Drippedout wrote: there are 6 ways to earn WP as a logi. (NanoH, NanoC, uplinks, hacks, scans, kills).
As FLF, you only have 3 options -- Kill, 1 equip slot, hack.
I love my Logis, you guys keep me up, and fill my ammo. CCP, don't touch Logis!
However, the biggest difference is that if you are Calogi for example, you get 5 hi's and 4 lows in addition to your other ways to earn WP.
As FLF, use Min as an example....5hi's, 2 low's (Calogi can run 2 Cpu enhancers and still have same slot loadout as min assault!!!). No significant boost to CPU/PG. Now in theory I should be able to beef up my suit to be more adept at killing b.c. I'm not running 3 equip slots. Not the case at all. If I want to run Complex anything for HI's I have to use a low for CPU taking away from HP ultimately. Leaving me with 1 low slot available (which almost HAS to be and armor plate mod, so take hacking off the table as a viable WP generator). Down to 2 ways to generate WP.
Now do I run shield extenders or dmg mods? If I want to kill people better I have to sacrifice my HP to do it. Which pretty much pigeon holds my play style to ~650 hp and dmg mods if I want to earn any substantial WP at all.
I think FLF is butt hurt because our suits are vastly inferior in terms of options and loadouts to produce WP. This isn't the logibros fault, but rather an imbalance in the game right now. When a CalLogi runs 2 cpu enhancers, 5 hi's, 2 low's, and 3 equip...Why the hell would anyone go Assault? The logistic suit can do my job, better than me, and still LOGI as well!
The answer may be to boost Dmg output on FLF suits, or some how make up for the imbalance. As an FLF I don't feel like my suit is specialized to do my job. That's all. QQ.
i think the answer is to introduce resistances and raise the assaults res to dmg and on that note the heavies as well... that or...give the assault hp traits that makes they're modules more effective...or even give class based skill trees
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1697
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:44:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Logi lesson #1: Don't get more WP and top the COD assault player on the match leaderboards, otherwise they QQ on forums about logis being OP. And logis get nerfed (already has happened to calogis, and will branch out to all logis soon).
What? The CoD players were the CalLogis. And they sure as hell weren't running logi. Do you really think they got nerfed because they were too good at reviving people? |
Drapedup Drippedout
G.U.T.Z
19
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:48:00 -
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i think the answer is to introduce resistances and raise the assaults res to dmg and on that note the heavies as well... that or...give the assault hp traits that makes they're modules more effective...or even give class based skill trees [/quote]
Thats an interesting thought. I like the thought of dmg resistances. |
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Mortedeamor
Internal Rebellion
387
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Posted - 2013.10.07 13:51:00 -
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Drapedup Drippedout wrote:.
i think the answer is to introduce resistances and raise the assaults res to dmg and on that note the heavies as well... that or...give the assault hp traits that makes they're modules more effective...or even give class based skill trees [/quote]
Thats an interesting thought. I like the thought of dmg resistances. [/quote] so do i and i would prefer it for vehicles as well because it is simple and easy fix instead of changing everything already here..which i mean common ..the playerbase wont survive what they are doing with vehicles when they could just do a mass update 1.6 called resistances apply it everything in dust and fix 50% of all the balancing issues...tanks could be made to take dmg..and they could easily fix the adv havs...durp ships 2 ..they are just being complicated |
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