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negative49er
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
248
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:25:00 -
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low EPH , low number of slots, low number of CPU and PG and you couldn't hit a suit design to recon, Capture points, and assassinate. Evading was all we had( and was our speed)
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Christiphoros von Poe
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
5
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:34:00 -
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I was so afraid of scouts in Chromosome... Watching them come at you with a shotgun while zig zagging with incredible speeds was like watching a shark come right for you... And no matter how much I shot it was no use...
It was no use... |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
1229
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:35:00 -
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It was a pain in the ass to kill scouts back when hit detection was making their speed even harder to kill, but personally I never minded it, as a fully tricked out scout was no more difficult to kill (at least for me) then it was to kill a fully tricked out medium...
I'd like to see scouts faster, now that hit detection is even better. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
1574
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:36:00 -
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Christiphoros von Poe wrote:I was so afraid of scouts in Chromosome... Watching them come at you with a shotgun while zig zagging with incredible speeds was like watching a shark come right for you... And no matter how much I shot it was no use...
It was no use...
Sounds like nightmares and PTS to me...  |
Ryder Azorria
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
629
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:38:00 -
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With bad bad detection and iffy framerates, scouts were basically untouchable if they got in close.
Now with improved hit detection, stable framerates and aim assist - I think scouts could stand to get a speed (or strafe speed) buff. |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1602
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:40:00 -
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Christiphoros von Poe wrote:I was so afraid of scouts in Chromosome... Watching them come at you with a shotgun while zig zagging with incredible speeds was like watching a shark come right for you... And no matter how much I shot it was no use...
It was no use...
Yup then people whined because it was no use, and Scouts got nerfed.
And nerfed again...
And nerfed again....
TT..TT
So it was obviously , the :''Something is beating AR's, NERF!!!!'' kind of thing... |
Christiphoros von Poe
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
6
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Posted - 2013.10.06 21:59:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Christiphoros von Poe wrote:I was so afraid of scouts in Chromosome... Watching them come at you with a shotgun while zig zagging with incredible speeds was like watching a shark come right for you... And no matter how much I shot it was no use...
It was no use...
Yup then people whined because it was no use, and Scouts got nerfed.
And nerfed again...
And nerfed again....
TT..TTSo it was obviously , the :''Something is beating AR's, NERF!!!!'' kind of thing...
True... Now when I see a scout I charge my scrambler and... And... 1 shot body shot from 200 yards. |
PEW JACKSON
s i n g u l a r i t y
71
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:02:00 -
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I miss the days of rushing in with a scrambler pistol just to walk away from the piles of biomass and hot cartridges... |
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1607
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:03:00 -
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Christiphoros von Poe wrote:
True... Now when I see a scout I charge my scrambler and... And... 1 shot body shot from 200 yards.
Same here bro, same here.
It only takes 2-6 shot from my prof 4 , 2 Cx damage mods ASCR rifle too.its just...i feel bad for them...us... |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
58
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:11:00 -
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Christiphoros von Poe wrote:I was so afraid of scouts in Chromosome... Watching them come at you with a shotgun while zig zagging with incredible speeds was like watching a shark come right for you... And no matter how much I shot it was no use...
It was no use...
Two words: Mass Driver
May shave some of my HP, but it definitely kills them first and since they have shotguns and need to be closer to me for max effectiveness they are guaranteed a direct hit and even if with my proficiency lvl 5 and Md operation at level 5 ain't no scout killin' me today.  |
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KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
1607
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:17:00 -
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Plues the TRUE Scout nerf came in the Form of the easily accesible Active scanner that logis abuse so much nowadays.
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Ranger SnakeBlood
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
214
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:20:00 -
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I think the only real time were scouts were actually OP due to insane speeds and terribad hit detection was thee skirm 1.0 and E3 era i remember vividly using the suit to see for myself the suit to find i could wipeout with a bit of effort wipe out a group 5 five people in the open people i assumed to be average players at the time.
I tried this numerous times running out into the open dodging a bit and succeding to me this is not the role of the stealthy class as at no point was i trying to get the jump on them rather kill as many as i could in a dragon fly with a shotgun.
Back then i tried most suits and weapons as i knew of the reset after all i could not give proper feedback without testing other things thats why i never really got to check out high end scout suits i was trying heavy assualt and logi suits and all when game launched i specialized.
So yes once apon a time about 1 year ago the scout was that bad due to evading but its been heavily (and or over) nerfed because of it sadly. |
knight of 6
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
343
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Posted - 2013.10.06 22:39:00 -
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scouts used to move faster than the frame rate at some points. that said they could use a little speed boost now. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
4434
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:06:00 -
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The bad hit detection was all that was allowing scouts to dodge every single bullet outside their sprint speed. Now that it's fixed, scouts are struggling to survive. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
820
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:46:00 -
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negative49er wrote:low EPH , low number of slots, low number of CPU and PG and you couldn't hit a suit design to recon, Capture points, and assassinate. Evading was all we had( and was our speed)
Yes!
Back then (in Replication) anyone using a SCOUT was AGENT SMITH.
It was fun to see HMG Clones fire a full clip and hit nothing but air.
Back then the only way to kill Agent Smiths were by being Scout NEOs.
Fire a full clip of Creodon AR, fire a second clip, fire a third, fire the last remaining AR clip, burn past all your SMG clips and at last land a lucky melee hit to kill that pesky Agent Smith Scout.
And back then everything feared a scout even those 2000hp heavies with the HMG with no overheat and 35 DMG per bullet.
Yeah back then Protoman was really bummed when CCP took away the scout Disco shoes.....lol. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
821
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:53:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:scouts used to move faster than the frame rate at some points. that said they could use a little speed boost now.
Kin cats used to do 25% boost per kin cat so on a four slot scout you placed four of them and with no stacking penalty back then well things got interesting:
I.e. 10 m/per sec base speed plus 100% from four kin cats and you were doing LAV speeds LOL!!!
I.e. in the time an LAV deployed you were finished hacking the first letter and on the way to the second and by the time the LAV was enroute you were looking to see what third letter was closest to beat the LAV there...LOL!!! LOL!! |
I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
1001
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:53:00 -
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I'd rather fight cloaked scouts than glitchy ones. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
5659
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Posted - 2013.10.06 23:55:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Plues the TRUE Scout nerf came in the Form of the easily accesible Active scanner that logis abuse so much nowadays.
I'm sorry, I didn't know scanners were logi only equipment... |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
821
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Posted - 2013.10.07 00:03:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Plus the TRUE Scout buff came in the Form of the easily accesible Active scanner that scouts use so much nowadays.
FIXED!!! and LOL!!
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Meeko Fent
DUST University
Ivy League
1075
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Posted - 2013.10.07 00:09:00 -
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The only issue with scout back then was the turn limits and the buggy HD when moving fast.
Only thing.
So, the bandaid of slowing scouts down made them a deep niche, and the prevelance of Active Scanners have made the lower skill level scouts worthless, as the whole "I'm a ghost!" is gone, and they are now 200 HP, slightly faster, low Fitting resourced Assaults.
I feel bad for them.
But not bad enough to not shoot them for the extra 50 WP. |
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Heathen Bastard
The Bastard Brigade
654
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Posted - 2013.10.07 00:13:00 -
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Low EHP, crap slot layouts, crap fitting amounts.
Didn't matter. When I used to have my knives I'd call my target and everyone else in my squad would stop shooting because that person was already dead. didn't matter if you were 6 or 60 meters out. I would reach you and gut you like trout without a single hole in my suit.
every seen a heavy survive 2 full clips from a AR and a third from an SMG? they emptied, hitting naught but air. guy died with his back against the wall, screaming one last word "HAX!!!!!!". |
Soldier of Mawat
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
195
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Posted - 2013.10.07 00:15:00 -
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I gotta say that even though scouts are horribly UP I have much more fun with my scout alt than I normally do with my assault main. It's so much more fun to race around the map and run people down with a shotty. I know that some day scouts will get a buff and I think I will play scout alt even more. |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1468
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Posted - 2013.10.07 00:52:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:I'd rather fight cloaked scouts than glitchy ones.
I'd rather die to skilled adversary than aim-assisted ones :-) |
Noragee Silverfire
HavoK Core
RISE of LEGION
27
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Posted - 2013.10.07 01:39:00 -
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I miss the Firefly fit I had going. Ah well people just did not appreciate that you had to have finesse to use it and that if people actually checked their flanks you were dead. |
Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
322
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:17:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:I'd rather fight cloaked scouts than glitchy ones. I'd rather die to skilled adversary than aim-assisted ones :-)
I'd rather die by a Nova Knifer than die by a grenade spammer  |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
118
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Posted - 2013.10.07 02:44:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:The bad hit detection was all that was allowing scouts to dodge every single bullet outside their sprint speed. Now that it's fixed, scouts are struggling to survive.
don't forget aim assist. |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1471
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Posted - 2013.10.07 03:10:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:I'd rather fight cloaked scouts than glitchy ones. I'd rather die to skilled adversary than aim-assisted ones :-) I'd rather die by a Nova Knifer than die by a grenade spammer
I don't always spam nades.
But when I do, I prefer Core Locus. 
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
1134
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Posted - 2013.10.07 03:14:00 -
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Christiphoros von Poe wrote:I was so afraid of scouts in Chromosome... Watching them come at you with a shotgun while zig zagging with incredible speeds was like watching a shark come right for you... And no matter how much I shot it was no use...
It was no use... that's cause shotguns had way too much range.
That plus the sharpshooter skill made them a B**** to kill. |
SgtDoughnut
Red Star Jr.
EoN.
258
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Posted - 2013.10.07 03:25:00 -
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Scouts need a bit of a speed buff and a CPU/PG buff, they are supposed to be sneaky as hell but back in beta thanks to poor hit detection they would just zig zag at you and murder you. Many still have a hard time adapting from that strategy to the new one of sneak up and surprise them. |
Meeko Fent
DUST University
Ivy League
1081
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Posted - 2013.10.07 03:51:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:I'd rather fight cloaked scouts than glitchy ones. I'd rather die to skilled adversary than aim-assisted ones :-)
I'd rather aim sober then bow to some scouts.
Perhaps AA can be less effective when aiming at scouts, however, having zero AA makes pick up and put down playong maddening. |
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
871
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Posted - 2013.10.07 04:16:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:I'd rather fight cloaked scouts than glitchy ones. I'd rather die to skilled adversary than aim-assisted ones :-) I'd rather aim sober then bow to some scouts. Perhaps AA can be less effective when aiming at scouts, however, having zero AA makes pick up and put down playong maddening.
I'd go back to zero AA in a heartbeat. shootouts were longer and thus more fun, and that is what it is all about. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
420
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Posted - 2013.10.07 06:09:00 -
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Nerf the moduals that give speed boosts and pass that difference as a boost unto light frames. Seeing Logi fits used to rush-hack because they are faster makes me sick. |
Ghost Kaisar
Pradox One
429
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Posted - 2013.10.07 07:17:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:I'd rather fight cloaked scouts than glitchy ones. I'd rather die to skilled adversary than aim-assisted ones :-) I'd rather die by a Nova Knifer than die by a grenade spammer I don't always spam nades. But when I do, I prefer Core Locus.
I'd rather die from a Scout with Nades, than an Assault with AR. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
70
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:02:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Tectonic Fusion wrote:Shotty GoBang wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:I'd rather fight cloaked scouts than glitchy ones. I'd rather die to skilled adversary than aim-assisted ones :-) I'd rather die by a Nova Knifer than die by a grenade spammer I don't always spam nades. But when I do, I prefer Core Locus.
I don't always spam nades.
But when I do, I prefer contact grenades  |
Dominus Fatali
Nox Aeterna Security
346
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Posted - 2013.10.08 13:39:00 -
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I'd rather die five times due to my own incompetence then once to poor connection. |
Amruk Jackal
D3LTA ACADEMY
10
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Posted - 2013.10.08 14:35:00 -
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They should increase the strafe and turn speed of a scout. I hate when I'm right behind the enemy and he turns just slightly and all of a sudden I can't keep up because my turn speed is too slow. Also need to fix the shotgun angle, shoot at a slightly different angle? Miss all your pellets wtf :| |
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