DUST Search - Vehicles and my thoughts on 1.5-1.9

lithkul devant wrote:

Mortedeamor wrote:

has ccp mentioned giving havs a base res...it makes no sense that logi lavs come with 30% res naturally but tanks start with 0 a better way over all to balancing tanks is really simple, give all tanks a base res stat that equates out, so it would be able to tank its tier of current av...i do not care enough to run numbers so i couldnt tell you what that base stat should be. and i am not a mathematician.

it seems to me the answer is simple really..the logi lavs because of that base stat resistance are balanced vs their tier of av...so why do tanks and durps not have the same but higher as they are of a diff class of vehicle..ccp is wasting time to completely overhaul vehicles its stupid this game is progressing to slow.

they could balance the fits they have here vs the av they have here by applying one stat that they ALREADY HAVE IN FOR LOGI LAVS..to all vehilces..instead they are gunna make this a slow and painful process that may or MAY NOT come out balanced and will ruin what is left of the already fragile dust 514 vehicles community.

my thoughts

Morte

What you said is not necessarily correct, as far as I can see an LLAV can have a base resistance of 20% with no mods and a tank 10% since the vehicle shield resistance and same with armor is to all vehicles, LLAV's get an additional 2% per rank to their resistances on lvling up the LLAV skill. However, to get 30% passive all the time you have to put down at least 1 resistance mod. If I am wrong in my calculation of this please inform me what skills and all I missed or did not include in.

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Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 366	Posted - 2013.10.06 14:17:00 - [1] - Quote has ccp mentioned giving havs a base res...it makes no sense that logi lavs come with 30% res naturally but tanks start with 0 a better way over all to balancing tanks is really simple, give all tanks a base res stat that equates out to it be able to tank its tier of current av...i do not care enough to run numbers so i couldnt tell you what that base stat should be. and i am not a mathematician. it seems to me the answer is simple really..the logi lavs because of that base stat resistance are balanced vs their tier of av...so why do tanks and durps not have the same but higher as they are of a diff class of vehicle..ccp is wasting time to completely overhaul vehicles its stupid this game is progressing to slow. they could balance the fits they have here vs the av they have here by applying one stat that they ALREADY HAVE IN FOR LOGI LAVS..to all vehilces..instead they are gunna make this a slow and painful process that may or MAY NOT come out balanced and will ruin what is left of the already fragile dust 514 vehicles community. my thoughts Morte
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 366	Posted - 2013.10.06 14:25:00 - [2] - Quote really all vehicles need is a little more survivability this would do that then ccp could focus on small fixes to balance out the different type of vehicles already here for example the gallentes vast superiority to caldari in HAV. i mean a full redo is nice and all but it really isnt healthy for the community in dusts failing state...and especially when you consider the future of the gaming industry as a whole. it just looks like poor business planning to me sorry but at this state isnt a simple fast fix better than a slow and painful full redo?
Talos Vagheitan King Slayers 56	Posted - 2013.10.06 14:58:00 - [3] - Quote These forums are starting to make me think I should invest heavily in Kleenex companies.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1586	Posted - 2013.10.06 15:01:00 - [4] - Quote You know they're getting rid of logi LAVs when they make the vehicle changes, right? They are also changing AV weapon stats.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 366	Posted - 2013.10.06 16:31:00 - [5] - Quote Django Quik wrote: You know they're getting rid of logi LAVs when they make the vehicle changes, right? They are also changing AV weapon stats. i know they have to make everything complicated its not like i dont have loads of other proto gear my prov V forge and swarms account for..2or 7 proto weapons ive unlocked and skilled into. AND thier has to be some sort of massive sp refund for both av and vehicles..and it should include aur spent on them as well if people have aur tanks that are going to be changed in anyway they need an aurum reimbursement to thier accounts just like was done at the transition from the so called closed beta to open. the fact is this game is still being treated as a beta and is still under development..so respecs are mandatory when something is being reworked...lets here it for my prof V swapping from av to my lazer and ar lol but it is possible to balance what is here without doing a complete reworking and this game doesnt honestly have enough players as is without ccp putting one of the drawing aspects of this game out of commission for so long..but its whatever..ill prolly be on planetside 2 while dust is being reworked and just capping out everyday with my logi as always...its just irritating that they have to make everything complicated...console gamers dont have high tolerance for bullshit beta development like pc gamers do. if they are gunna spend months doing anything it should be porting this to pc so it will survive the coming of the ps4..the eve side playerbase expansion alone would probably save dust i mean if they did this like 8 months ago great great but i bet by 1.5 the average playerbase is down to 2 k
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 298	Posted - 2013.10.06 17:41:00 - [6] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: These forums are starting to make me think I should invest heavily in Kleenex companies. Send isk this way, future investments will be worth it.
Talos Vagheitan King Slayers 59	Posted - 2013.10.06 17:47:00 - [7] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: ...console gamers dont have high tolerance for bullshit beta development like pc gamers do. Speak for yourself. I think this is a fun game, and I can't wait to see what the next updates have in store.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1589	Posted - 2013.10.06 18:42:00 - [8] - Quote You say you don't want things more complicated but then you ask for all vehicles to get base resistance, thus complicating vehicles at their base. The way to balance AV against vehicles is simply to reduce the damage that AV does at their end.
lithkul devant Legions of Infinite Dominion 95	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:37:00 - [9] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: has ccp mentioned giving havs a base res...it makes no sense that logi lavs come with 30% res naturally but tanks start with 0 a better way over all to balancing tanks is really simple, give all tanks a base res stat that equates out, so it would be able to tank its tier of current av...i do not care enough to run numbers so i couldnt tell you what that base stat should be. and i am not a mathematician. it seems to me the answer is simple really..the logi lavs because of that base stat resistance are balanced vs their tier of av...so why do tanks and durps not have the same but higher as they are of a diff class of vehicle..ccp is wasting time to completely overhaul vehicles its stupid this game is progressing to slow. they could balance the fits they have here vs the av they have here by applying one stat that they ALREADY HAVE IN FOR LOGI LAVS..to all vehilces..instead they are gunna make this a slow and painful process that may or MAY NOT come out balanced and will ruin what is left of the already fragile dust 514 vehicles community. my thoughts Morte What you said is not necessarily correct, as far as I can see an LLAV can have a base resistance of 20% with no mods and a tank 10% since the vehicle shield resistance and same with armor is to all vehicles, LLAV's get an additional 2% per rank to their resistances on lvling up the LLAV skill. However, to get 30% passive all the time you have to put down at least 1 resistance mod. If I am wrong in my calculation of this please inform me what skills and all I missed or did not include in.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 371	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:44:00 - [10] - Quote Django Quik wrote: You say you don't want things more complicated but then you ask for all vehicles to get base resistance, thus complicating vehicles at their base. The way to balance AV against vehicles is simply to reduce the damage that AV does at their end. a base resistance stat is much simpler than removing and reworking every aspect of vehilce/av ..as they already have such for logi lavs

Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 371	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:48:00 - [11] - Quote lithkul devant wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: has ccp mentioned giving havs a base res...it makes no sense that logi lavs come with 30% res naturally but tanks start with 0 a better way over all to balancing tanks is really simple, give all tanks a base res stat that equates out, so it would be able to tank its tier of current av...i do not care enough to run numbers so i couldnt tell you what that base stat should be. and i am not a mathematician. it seems to me the answer is simple really..the logi lavs because of that base stat resistance are balanced vs their tier of av...so why do tanks and durps not have the same but higher as they are of a diff class of vehicle..ccp is wasting time to completely overhaul vehicles its stupid this game is progressing to slow. they could balance the fits they have here vs the av they have here by applying one stat that they ALREADY HAVE IN FOR LOGI LAVS..to all vehilces..instead they are gunna make this a slow and painful process that may or MAY NOT come out balanced and will ruin what is left of the already fragile dust 514 vehicles community. my thoughts Morte What you said is not necessarily correct, as far as I can see an LLAV can have a base resistance of 20% with no mods and a tank 10% since the vehicle shield resistance and same with armor is to all vehicles, LLAV's get an additional 2% per rank to their resistances on lvling up the LLAV skill. However, to get 30% passive all the time you have to put down at least 1 resistance mod. If I am wrong in my calculation of this please inform me what skills and all I missed or did not include in. hmmph mine starts at 30% there is a shield res skill +2% per lvl and logi lav skill gives another +2% per lvl. maybe that is why although last i checked one of those skills is broken it makes no sense that logi lav comes with base res while tanks and durps dont..and i think by adding a base res to tanks and durps there really isnt much need for a full vehicle over haul..just some small balancing changes ..between caldari and gallente..
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 371	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:49:00 - [12] - Quote lithkul devant wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: has ccp mentioned giving havs a base res...it makes no sense that logi lavs come with 30% res naturally but tanks start with 0 a better way over all to balancing tanks is really simple, give all tanks a base res stat that equates out, so it would be able to tank its tier of current av...i do not care enough to run numbers so i couldnt tell you what that base stat should be. and i am not a mathematician. it seems to me the answer is simple really..the logi lavs because of that base stat resistance are balanced vs their tier of av...so why do tanks and durps not have the same but higher as they are of a diff class of vehicle..ccp is wasting time to completely overhaul vehicles its stupid this game is progressing to slow. they could balance the fits they have here vs the av they have here by applying one stat that they ALREADY HAVE IN FOR LOGI LAVS..to all vehilces..instead they are gunna make this a slow and painful process that may or MAY NOT come out balanced and will ruin what is left of the already fragile dust 514 vehicles community. my thoughts Morte What you said is not necessarily correct, as far as I can see an LLAV can have a base resistance of 20% with no mods and a tank 10% since the vehicle shield resistance and same with armor is to all vehicles, LLAV's get an additional 2% per rank to their resistances on lvling up the LLAV skill. However, to get 30% passive all the time you have to put down at least 1 resistance mod. If I am wrong in my calculation of this please inform me what skills and all I missed or did not include in. hmmph mine starts at 30% there is a shield res skill +2% per lvl and logi lav skill gives another +2% per lvl. maybe that is why although last i checked one of those skills is broken it makes no sense that logi lav comes with base res while tanks and durps dont..and i think by adding a base res to tanks and durps there really isnt much need for a full vehicle over haul..just some small balancing changes ..between caldari and gallente..
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 371	Posted - 2013.10.06 21:50:00 - [13] - Quote but regardless obviously ccp is going to do the slow painfull route i was just curious as to why they just didnt do this as to me it looks like all that they really need to do.
Meeko Fent DUST University Ivy League 1074	Posted - 2013.10.06 22:25:00 - [14] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: These forums are starting to make me think I should invest heavily in Kleenex companies. Already ahead if you.
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 257	Posted - 2013.10.07 01:56:00 - [15] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: These forums are starting to make me think I should invest heavily in Kleenex companies. There's only one Kleenex company, and based on your post, I'd say their marketing department has done thier job.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 376	Posted - 2013.10.07 09:53:00 - [16] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: These forums are starting to make me think I should invest heavily in Kleenex companies. Already ahead if you. gimme i hasa cold


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