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IAmDuncanIdaho II The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 95	Posted - 2013.10.04 07:51:00 - [31] - Quote Good stuff, this is nice progress. Don't forget you lot that this is the start, it's not fully fleshed out by a long way, only so much can be delivered at once. Getting the core stuff done first makes sense, and the blog says they decided the target audience is those who already have some FPS experience. That means you don't need to teach someone how to switch weapons or throw grenades. The active booster idea is good, gives more incentive to play the game after completing tutorials. Perhaps a 7-day booster though, activated when the merc wants, but that cannot be sold or traded. If there's concerns about closing the SP gap, then there's better ways of doing that than using passive boosters imho - if there's a need for more SP without playing, just increase the starting SP - don't forget new chars starts with 500K SP. I also think it might be useful to perhaps gift an extra SP bonus after graduating from the academy to help close this gap too and spread that warm feeling. Or to at least loose the merc on the world with the idea that they should plan what they want to skill into with the extra SP you just gave them. And finally, a way to spend skill points across multiple categories in a single transaction might be useful to help plan SP investment and avoid frustration. Dropping points into something only to realise you missed a pre-requisite that will take you a month is probably annoying as hell.
Vell0cet Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 401	Posted - 2013.10.04 09:26:00 - [32] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Good stuff, this is nice progress. Don't forget you lot that this is the start, it's not fully fleshed out by a long way, only so much can be delivered at once. Getting the core stuff done first makes sense, and the blog says they decided the target audience is those who already have some FPS experience. That means you don't need to teach someone how to switch weapons or throw grenades. I'm not sure if you've ever watched video clips of people playing dust for the first time while "thinking out loud" into a mic, but there is a lot of confusion about really fundamental gameplay mechanics that seem so obvious to us (like "cooking" a grenade) shooting the enemy MCC, what supply depots are and how they work. The other point is that a massive portion of DUST's audience may not be FPS vets. I have played very few hours of FPS online multiplayer games prior to DUST, myself. I think CCP may find that marketing DUST to RPG fans who "finally have a shooter that rewards strategy and character growth" may end up yielding the best returns by a big margin. These players have the potential to be the most dedicated of them all, and may need more schooling in FPS gameplay mechanics than FPS junkies who are always moving to the latest shiny release.
Torneido Achura Suicidal Business Inc. 47	Posted - 2013.10.04 12:50:00 - [33] - Quote What newcomers need is a guide to let them see specialize in an area is better than be a Omni class, till maybe 5 mill SP where then they can start doing more roles aside from AR and militia (this should also needs to be emphasized to "vets", in their fits, scouts and tankers most of all, everyone wants to rule the world with just one dropsuit/equip/vehicle). On another but related point, the academy needs to be based on SP, so set the bar at 5 mill SP, and that should do marvel to the protostombs crying (and I know you might think this could be risky CCP but its needed if you want to retain players).
Parson Atreides Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 771	Posted - 2013.10.04 13:45:00 - [34] - Quote Still needs a lot more, as others in this thread have noted/suggested: 1. Longer stay in the academy queue, with an option to queue into the regular matches or continue to queue into the academy. Ex From 0 to 4,999 WP you can only queue in the Academy, from 5,000 to 9,999 WP you get the option to queue for either Academy or Public Contract. At 10,000 WP you're forced into Public Contracts. Also, Academy battles should only be Skirmish. Ambush is awful and isn't goal-oriented like you seem to be focusing on. Domination doesn't make sense because most newberries aren't going to know/know how to use drop uplinks so they'll spend most of the game running back to the objective. 2. No SP cap per week until they hit 5 million or so. 3. Double SP per game until they hit 3 million or so. 4. One 7-Day Active Booster non-transferrable on all new characters. 5. One Respec token non-transferrable on all new characters.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1589	Posted - 2013.10.04 13:50:00 - [35] - Quote I know is a bit irrelevant ...but, we can actually see the Information AI face ?!?!? left bottom corner of that pics. Is nice to have a face connected to the " Do you want to hear more? " , small detail, but things like that makes a huge difference.
Goric Rumis Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 216	Posted - 2013.10.04 14:24:00 - [36] - Quote Parson Atreides wrote: Still needs a lot more, as others in this thread have noted/suggested: 1. Longer stay in the academy queue, with an option to queue into the regular matches or continue to queue into the academy. Ex From 0 to 4,999 WP you can only queue in the Academy, from 5,000 to 9,999 WP you get the option to queue for either Academy or Public Contract. At 10,000 WP you're forced into Public Contracts. Also, Academy battles should only be Skirmish. Ambush is awful and isn't goal-oriented like you seem to be focusing on. Domination doesn't make sense because most newberries aren't going to know/know how to use drop uplinks so they'll spend most of the game running back to the objective. 2. No SP cap per week until they hit 5 million or so. 3. Double SP per game until they hit 3 million or so. 4. One 7-Day Active Booster non-transferrable on all new characters. 5. One Respec token non-transferrable on all new characters. I still disagree with removing the SP cap for reasons mentioned in my previous post, and the Double SP combined with the 7-day booster seems redundant. Otherwise I generally agree. The respec token is a great idea, since new players will take some time getting used to the skill system. I imagine most of them will use it within the first few weeks, and even if they manage to hold onto it for quite some time, a handful of people doing a complete respec at 10M SP isn't game-breaking.
BLASTO DISCO 843 Boot Camp 0	Posted - 2013.10.04 17:15:00 - [37] - Quote 1-3 matches is not enough to get used to dust..it is certainly not enough to give you the exp in this game to not run terribad scores with mlt gear vs protos and when they leave the scrub academy the generally are running 75% mlt gear. This is very true, there needs to be a tutorial zone with the 1200 or 5000 WP cap, then a place that does not allow 2,000,000 and up SP... Or so... This char I have has been remade 5 different times because I knew nothing about how to spend SP and when he was made originally CCP had that use SP in corp crap to learn how to spend your SP..... I still am running some militia items, and cannot build up the SP to get a viable suit, weapons, modules, ect. Last few games I was in, netted me 225 WP from 2 hacks, 1 kill and 3 assists, I used cover, was in a full squad that even the lowest person, besides me, they got 900 WP, and highest was like 1600 WP. I am not new to FPS games, but throwing "newbro's" against proto with 17million SP and up is very frustrating. Some of my friends that joined because I asked them to, have all but left very mad that the game has no room for new players. I am sure this system worked during the first few months, when everyone was new, but now there is a stellar divide between a squad that all their members gets 34/0 off a militia wearing 600,000 SP beginer.
Evicer THE HECATONCHIRES 15	Posted - 2013.10.04 17:29:00 - [38] - Quote Whatever happened to the "Way of the mercenary "? I liked that one .Maybe just use the music from that one guess. Thats what I really liked about it.I also like the Line "Some may fight for ideals,for money,or simply because you're good at it." Come to think of it the whole Video was good which makes me wonder why you took it out.
IAmDuncanIdaho II The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 95	Posted - 2013.10.04 22:05:00 - [39] - Quote Vell0cet wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Good stuff, this is nice progress. Don't forget you lot that this is the start, it's not fully fleshed out by a long way, only so much can be delivered at once. Getting the core stuff done first makes sense, and the blog says they decided the target audience is those who already have some FPS experience. That means you don't need to teach someone how to switch weapons or throw grenades. I'm not sure if you've ever watched video clips of people playing dust for the first time while "thinking out loud" into a mic, but there is a lot of confusion about really fundamental gameplay mechanics that seem so obvious to us (like "cooking" a grenade) shooting the enemy MCC, what supply depots are and how they work. The other point is that a massive portion of DUST's audience may not be FPS vets. I have played very few hours of FPS online multiplayer games prior to DUST, myself. I think CCP may find that marketing DUST to RPG fans who "finally have a shooter that rewards strategy and character growth" may end up yielding the best returns by a big margin. These players have the potential to be the most dedicated of them all, and may need more schooling in FPS gameplay mechanics than FPS junkies who are always moving to the latest shiny release. No I've not watched that but can imagine it happens. I was just pointing out the target audience CCP has identified as mentioned in the blog. I'm not an FPS player myself, never have been until DUST, but I picked up some of these things from just playing and reading forums. Either way, I agree with you - if the majority is as you say, then they do need to be shown those things - but CCP aren't focusing on them. They're focusing on those who already realise how that stuff works and need do nothing more than learn which keys or buttons to press to take those actions. Ideally you'd "teach" it all - and maybe that will come. But CCP were pretty clear in their reasoning for their target audience.
Aaroniero d'Lioncourt The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 165	Posted - 2013.10.06 17:27:00 - [40] - Quote Error loading MacroEngine script (file: newsItem.cshtml) ^ That's what i get.

Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1331	Posted - 2013.10.07 00:49:00 - [41] - Quote I'm havine issues with the link....
Vell0cet Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 413	Posted - 2013.10.07 15:22:00 - [42] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Vell0cet wrote: IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Good stuff, this is nice progress. Don't forget you lot that this is the start, it's not fully fleshed out by a long way, only so much can be delivered at once. Getting the core stuff done first makes sense, and the blog says they decided the target audience is those who already have some FPS experience. That means you don't need to teach someone how to switch weapons or throw grenades. I'm not sure if you've ever watched video clips of people playing dust for the first time while "thinking out loud" into a mic, but there is a lot of confusion about really fundamental gameplay mechanics that seem so obvious to us (like "cooking" a grenade) shooting the enemy MCC, what supply depots are and how they work. The other point is that a massive portion of DUST's audience may not be FPS vets. I have played very few hours of FPS online multiplayer games prior to DUST, myself. I think CCP may find that marketing DUST to RPG fans who "finally have a shooter that rewards strategy and character growth" may end up yielding the best returns by a big margin. These players have the potential to be the most dedicated of them all, and may need more schooling in FPS gameplay mechanics than FPS junkies who are always moving to the latest shiny release. No I've not watched that but can imagine it happens. I was just pointing out the target audience CCP has identified as mentioned in the blog. I'm not an FPS player myself, never have been until DUST, but I picked up some of these things from just playing and reading forums. Either way, I agree with you - if the majority is as you say, then they do need to be shown those things - but CCP aren't focusing on them. They're focusing on those who already realise how that stuff works and need do nothing more than learn which keys or buttons to press to take those actions. Ideally you'd "teach" it all - and maybe that will come. But CCP were pretty clear in their reasoning for their target audience. I guess my point is that what they've done is a great first step, but they picked a few pieces of low-hanging fruit when some of the most critical content isn't there. The tutorial in a FPS is like an interactive commercial that shows how cool the game will be if they stick around. I think a lot of people load up DUST, skip all of the videos and tutorials and jump right into an academy battle, only to see a bunch of guys with ARs running around and maybe a LAV or two. I don't think many new players realize there are lasers, tanks, , heavy suits with HMGs, remote repairing, shields & armor, orbitals, a connection to EVE (or even what EVE is) etc. it looks pretty blah when I see clips of people in the academy, and I can see why they would just uninstall. My concern is that their reasoning for their target audience is merely a justification for just doing the easy stuff. I hope they're planning on making a really engaging story-based gameplay tutorial as soon as possible. To not do so would probably cost them a ton of potential players and money.
IAmDuncanIdaho II The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 109	Posted - 2013.10.07 21:01:00 - [43] - Quote Yeah those are great ideas. Here's to hoping the NPE is popular enough to have them add more every month. As I remember back to when I first downloaded the game and why I did it, I think it was because I'm a casual player in EVE, haven't had much enjoyment out of any other FPS I've picked up, and figured it was worth a try. I was always going to give it a good go, regardless of the quality and depth of any tutorials. It would be a pity if people put it down fast without realising there was more depth and cool variations than they got exposed to in a few days or whatever.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 575	Posted - 2013.10.08 19:44:00 - [44] - Quote Ok. So I've now gone through the new NPE on a new toon and I have to say that in many ways its an improvement but I hope that it is only just a first step because it still has a number of problems. The new player reward system is better but it is still very much painting by numbers. Simply doing what you're told to without the context as to why you do it is only going to cause further problems. The new tips that flash upon the left are a good start but they shouldn't end with just telling what can go in the slot. For example, placing an AR in the light weapon slot shouldn't be the end of the tutorials role in that action. There must be a futher way to burrow in the complexities of fitting that weapon. Bringing up the info panel shouldn't just bring up the skill requirements to use that weapon alone. These are just base skills that have no real effect on the weapon other than being able to use it. A list of the skills that DIRECTLY effect on its performance should also come up on a seperate info panel, explaining how each skill increases it potency and what other skills would benefit it. Using the AR for instance should bring up a table with four columns. On the left the name of the skill, next the effect it produces, after that the base stats it alters and finally the change in the base stat for each level of the skill once SP is spent on it. A further panel could be brought up showing the support skills for it, those skills that make it easier to fit. Again in the case of the AR, the Light Weapons skill unlock them at level 1 but at level V it reduces the CPU need of the AR 15%, making the higher tier ones so much easier to fit on cheaper suits. The NPE still needs work but it could so easily become the games own built in EFT.
lithkul devant Legions of Infinite Dominion 104	Posted - 2013.10.11 16:36:00 - [45] - Quote I built a new player to test out exactly what was going on, how would it do, how would I perceive it. Truth be told I found it to be hugely lacking and even in the wrong order of how to do things. The first thing I would of had a player do is learn that their is a marketplace with weapons more then just the AR, sniper rifle, and swarm launcher. While these are good basics, your teaching people the wrong thing by just saying "here's 50 of em and no other weapon" The best thing to do, would be to give a spread of 10 weapons of each type, milita grade so people can experiment and to teach people about the milita grade market. I still would not have put a new player into battle, at the point I would have taught the player about suit fittings and a small tutorial about the differnces between armor and shields, so people know what type of style of play best suits them. Then I would have introduced them to squads, what the benefits are, how to join one, etc. After teaching about squads then a first battle, with them hopefully understanding more of what to actually do and how to group up. On the current system, I nearly got out of battle academy in one battle (I was 10 points shy). Suit fittings were talked about, however, it was a very very basic tutorial and had nothing about high and low slots, it talked nothing about the different skills and variations and everything else that makes the game so great. All it had for a "skill trainer" was learn one skill, it had nothing about skill bonuses which is hugely important. I nearly finished the entire "tutorial" and battle academy in under 30 minutes. In short, this tutorial was completely lacking even on what I would consider "bare bones" approach into Dust 514 and the items gained from the tutorial were a dissapointment, especially since it had no tutorial about vehicles, yet drops 15 into your lap, the militia kind which are going to die horribly in seconds within a real battle. I hope that the new player experience is expanded at least by triple the size if not more and PvE I think should be introduced at this sector if no where else in the game at the moment, just to teach basic lessons, or even just a training field with straw dummies on it with directions spoken about what to do or even in text that can be replayed.
Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1967	Posted - 2013.10.11 19:14:00 - [46] - Quote Player retention blows. Tutorials only carry newbros so far. The problem is that players are not falling in love with DUST514 because they only experience RAPE514. Remove WP limit on Battle Academy. It's a bad metric. 'Graduate' players from the Academy after 1M SP. Allow players the option of participating in regular pub matches after 1M SP. Deny players the option of participating in the Battle Academy after 4.5M SP. Give newbros soul-bound time-limited AUR items. ex. First 7 Day Recruit AR BPO Give newbros soul-bound AUR disposables. ex. 50 ADV laser rifles Give newbros soul-bound boosters. ex. 7-day active booster Keep the new guys isolated from the vets until they can catch their bearings. Promote the use of boosters and AUR items.

CCP Greyscale C C P C C P Alliance 50	Posted - 2013.10.12 05:01:00 - [47] - Quote Hi everyone, Sorry for the delay in replying to this, I've been out of the office for a while. Some general things: - Yes, we'd like to add more objectives to cover a wider range of game activities. We just didn't have time for this release :) - The Battle Academy is a separate feature; we weren't directly considering changes to it as part of this work Aeon Amadi wrote: Questions: Do new players have a choice of what militia gear they receive after completing an objective? Any thoughts on giving new players an Omega Booster instead as to give them a bigger boost before throwing them into the fray? Increased WP prerequisite before leaving the Academy? Tutorial on how to call in an orbital strike? - No, the gear you get is fixed based on your race - The included booster is just to give players a taste of what boosters can do, it's not supposed to be a crutch for other issues - See above re academy - We're not expecting using orbital strikes to be something a new player needs to know about in their first few days! Soraya Xel wrote: Is there a way existing players can sign up for the free loot? ;) Nope, sorry We deliberately didn't enable it for existing characters so everyone wouldn't be bombarded with annoying popups. SponkSponkSponk wrote: Will new players be given a small stock of militia weapons/modules/equipment? Kinda hard to 'make a new fit' without the market if you also have no alternative things to swap in or out of your fit. Please give them some militia stuff to play with. It's not too much to ask. Yes, the rewards from the first objective (plus the free weapons you get by default) should give you enough gear to have a non-zero amount of flexibility in your first fit. It's an intentionally limited set of modules to ensure the player's not overwhelmed. More rewards come in after later objectives, which we're hoping players will want to then go back and add to their fits.

Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3325	Posted - 2013.10.12 11:54:00 - [48] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Questions: Tutorial on how to call in an orbital strike? - We're not expecting using orbital strikes to be something a new player needs to know about in their first few days! Maybe not during the Battle Academy but considering that we're currently giving rewards for Faction Warfare and the rate at which you see the starter fits (I call them Dust Babies) in faction warfare as of late, it couldn't hurt to inform them on how to give squad orders and call orbital strikes. It seems to be an ailing problem for new players as veterans who join squads are screaming into the mics to "call the ****ing orbital" with no relief in the end. Though this may be related to a non-persistent notification that the squad has attained one.
lithkul devant Legions of Infinite Dominion 105	Posted - 2013.10.12 14:44:00 - [49] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: Hi everyone, Sorry for the delay in replying to this, I've been out of the office for a while. Some general things: - Yes, we'd like to add more objectives to cover a wider range of game activities. We just didn't have time for this release :) - The Battle Academy is a separate feature; we weren't directly considering changes to it as part of this work Aeon Amadi wrote: Questions: Do new players have a choice of what militia gear they receive after completing an objective? Any thoughts on giving new players an Omega Booster instead as to give them a bigger boost before throwing them into the fray? Increased WP prerequisite before leaving the Academy? Tutorial on how to call in an orbital strike? - No, the gear you get is fixed based on your race - The included booster is just to give players a taste of what boosters can do, it's not supposed to be a crutch for other issues - See above re academy - We're not expecting using orbital strikes to be something a new player needs to know about in their first few days! Soraya Xel wrote: Is there a way existing players can sign up for the free loot? ;) Nope, sorry We deliberately didn't enable it for existing characters so everyone wouldn't be bombarded with annoying popups. SponkSponkSponk wrote: Will new players be given a small stock of militia weapons/modules/equipment? Kinda hard to 'make a new fit' without the market if you also have no alternative things to swap in or out of your fit. Please give them some militia stuff to play with. It's not too much to ask. Yes, the rewards from the first objective (plus the free weapons you get by default) should give you enough gear to have a non-zero amount of flexibility in your first fit. It's an intentionally limited set of modules to ensure the player's not overwhelmed. More rewards come in after later objectives, which we're hoping players will want to then go back and add to their fits. Give specifics about what you are thinking about adding so that we might have an objective conversation with real dialogue, you're a game developer not a politican. Also, so far what the new player experience has been is sub par, even with a multitude of great suggestions from the community in several forum pages.
Croned B o u n d l e s s. 407	Posted - 2013.10.12 15:05:00 - [50] - Quote Ever thought about enabling the ability to quickly invite people who are in an NPC corp to your corp? Tutorials are great, but nothing beats having an entire backbone of veterans to answer you questions and guide you.

Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 524	Posted - 2013.10.14 16:02:00 - [51] - Quote Croned wrote: Ever thought about enabling the ability to quickly invite people who are in an NPC corp to your corp? Tutorials are great, but nothing beats having an entire backbone of veterans to answer you questions and guide you. Something like that would just get spammed to hell and back. I suggested something here that could fit in with these tutorials quite nicely ... basically throw in a list of help channels and teach them how to join one or more of them ... provide us vets with the list so we can populate some of them and provide assistance and answer questions. It would be great if we could form squads with noobs and lead them into academy battles, we'd have to be limited to basic gear and have our skills effects nulified, but we could be incentivised with high isk payouts(subsidised by NPC corps), officer loot (donated by the NPC corps) or maybe a little AUR (50-100 per battle would be fine) ... this would require a little more programming, but the help channels could be implemented very easily.
Vell0cet Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 427	Posted - 2013.10.15 03:24:00 - [52] - Quote CCP Greyscale wrote: ...We're not expecting using orbital strikes to be something a new player needs to know about in their first few days! I think this confirms that you're created an incorrect mental model about the purpose of the tutorial. If you're thinking of it like an instruction manual that explains the necessary skills, then you're absolutely correct in this assessment. If you're thinking of the tutorial as your very limited opportunity to surprise and delight new users who can very easily uninstall and play the next game, then the orbital between games is your crown jewel and should be featured prominently. It's fun, interesting, and unique to DUST. I am a student of software development and coding. By far and away, the most important time is the first few minutes. You need to really astonish your new players in the first couple of minutes or you're flushing millions of dollars down the toilet.
Goric Rumis Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 238	Posted - 2013.10.26 14:56:00 - [53] - Quote Created a new alt yesterday to test the new player experience. First, a few words about the Battle Academy--please pass them on to the appropriate audience. I will grant I'm the only person who graduated the academy in one battle, but I'm not even all that good a player, was using unmodified starter fits (following the tutorial) and I easily made 1900 WP. At least half a dozen of the other players looked like they were set to graduate in the next match. Are players ready to graduate with two to three battles under their belts? Given the performance of both teams in the Academy match I was in, definitely not. No one used drop uplinks, the red team didn't hack any CRU's (which I suppose, given that there's no explanation of what a CRU does, is not surprising), and people couldn't even seem to aim all that well most of the time (although there were some sharpshooters). I like the objective-based tutorial and wonder whether graduation shouldn't be based on it--with some provisions (maybe a slightly increased WP limit and an option to skip). For a new player to graduate, I'd like to see them fulfill an in-battle checklist: hack a CRU (and have some idea what it does), hack a supply depot, use a nanite injector to revive a comrade, call a vehicle into battle, join a squad, form a squad and issue an order. I would also suggest they receive five copies of a militia fit with a drop uplink and be required to deploy at least one drop uplink in battle. That seems like a lot to get done in a handful of battles, but with a WP limit around 3000, the best new players will probably have 3 matches, and the ones who struggle a bit more will have longer to figure it out. There's a lot of strategy to this game that new players are missing by focusing on the letter. That said, I think there are some things that aren't going to be accomplished by the objective-based approach. Something as simple as dropping people into battle the first time and having a mini "hit L1 to aim down sights," "press the right joystick to melee," etc., tutorial would be helpful, too. Getting accustomed to the interface is important. And ultimately what I think would be most useful is giving them the option to do a simulation where they can fire a few rounds from each of the weapons and test out all the functionality, as well as having the system explained to them in a little more depth. DUST is a lot more complex than the games even experienced players would be coming from.
Holi Butt Carbon 7 CRONOS. 0	Posted - 2013.10.26 20:54:00 - [54] - Quote Goric Rumis wrote: Created a new alt yesterday to test the new player experience. First, a few words about the Battle Academy--please pass them on to the appropriate audience. I will grant I'm the only person who graduated the academy in one battle, but I'm not even all that good a player, was using unmodified starter fits (following the tutorial) and I easily made 1900 WP. At least half a dozen of the other players looked like they were set to graduate in the next match. Are players ready to graduate with two to three battles under their belts? Given the performance of both teams in the Academy match I was in, definitely not. No one used drop uplinks, the red team didn't hack any CRU's (which I suppose, given that there's no explanation of what a CRU does, is not surprising), and people couldn't even seem to aim all that well most of the time (although there were some sharpshooters). I like the objective-based tutorial and wonder whether graduation shouldn't be based on it--with some provisions (maybe a slightly increased WP limit and an option to skip). For a new player to graduate, I'd like to see them fulfill an in-battle checklist: hack a CRU (and have some idea what it does), hack a supply depot, use a nanite injector to revive a comrade, call a vehicle into battle, join a squad, form a squad and issue an order. I would also suggest they receive five copies of a militia fit with a drop uplink and be required to deploy at least one drop uplink in battle. That seems like a lot to get done in a handful of battles, but with a WP limit around 3000, the best new players will probably have 3 matches, and the ones who struggle a bit more will have longer to figure it out. There's a lot of strategy to this game that new players are missing by focusing on the letter. That said, I think there are some things that aren't going to be accomplished by the objective-based approach. Something as simple as dropping people into battle the first time and having a mini "hit L1 to aim down sights," "press the right joystick to melee," etc., tutorial would be helpful, too. Getting accustomed to the interface is important. And ultimately what I think would be most useful is giving them the option to do a simulation where they can fire a few rounds from each of the weapons and test out all the functionality, as well as having the system explained to them in a little more depth. DUST is a lot more complex than the games even experienced players would be coming from. I agree with this completely. There is a ton more to this game than the tutorial shows you. Maybe some type of mentor system could be made? Of course as I type it I can think of ten ways to exploit a mentor system so it may not be a great idea. I think the biggest problem is that very little is explained about the market, PG/CPU, variances in suits, etc. which should somehow be explained. Skills also need their own tutorial. There is very little explanation of how skills work and how they affect gameplay. On a different note I've seen some corps totally devoted to helping new players. I think this is a great idea, but it shouldn't be an excuse to not make a good tutorial to get players into the game.
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 193	Posted - 2013.11.30 10:43:00 - [55] - Quote I know I posted in a thread about the academy not long back but I'm doing a new one here. First impression on the academy is the lack of time your'e in it. 10K WP, come on lol, this is just ridiculously low. I can't think of any upside to having such a low target and being removed from the Academy. There is a hugh downside to it though. Once your trained {VERY LITTLE} and public contracts are you're put into PC's FW or whichever, there is a definite down side to it. 1. No information about how to work with a squad/corp , this I think is VITAL to a rookie and his/her early months within dust. Sending a complete rookie into universe of Proto suits, weapons and scanners will be nothing more than a meat grinder. Probably demoralising too after a short time, I certainly would not want to be a new player today, besides trying now for the first time in an age, looks nice, but that about it. 2. No information imparted to new players about role bonuses within a race. Could easily sway a persons choice of race despite political point of view based on info given at time of creation. Another option or possibility....... 1 Mill SP, 50K WP or 4 weeks which ever comes LAST ! If they complete within the 4 weeks they exit, if they reach 50K WP before or after 4 weeks they exit, If they reach 1 Million SP but takes them 10 week (not likely to happen), but so be it. FYI, It's possible to bypass the 1st tutorial by entering a battle and exit straight away and still get the booty, without actually having to finish the battle. Suggest changing criteria "Fight a battle" to "Finish first battle" . __ `/.)\ Nade \| Scan Attempt Prevented \| 30 mill SP \__/ 514 \| NFP Prime League Winner\| Longest Kill 588 Mtr`
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 649	Posted - 2013.12.01 06:38:00 - [56] - Quote There needs to be a sign saying "don't spend SP until you understand the game more". Most new guys I meet I encourage to start a new toon, because they have wasted their SP.


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