Madruger = King

I miss my gold sagaris...

Madruger = King

I miss my gold sagaris...

Pff there are no golden tanks in this game.

At least not yet. I wish CCP would hurry the **** up and release the racial vehicles.

So now tanks will have an even harder time running away from Forge Gunners like myself (not to mention the other AV)... Yeah. I don't want this. And I don't even tank...

Here's hoping CCP is listening. Or provided incorrect numbers. Either would work.

Sympathy from an AVer? damn CCP. youve never caused this before. Its clear your not listening to the pilots so how bout you take the advice from someone who blows them up? cuz its clear its what your trying to do. Help him help you help us~!

If you consider sympathy from AVers...
Than theres a lot of sympathy for tankers. Considers 30-50% have some form of proto AV.

Madruger = King

I miss my gold sagaris...

What Enforcers?

After the most recent swarm launcher patch, the only thing keeping me alive is the ability to leave quickly.

It's already at the stage that one proto AV fit can dominate even the best fit tank. Mobility keeps you alive, and we're not only losing mobility, but we're also losing base defenses and high/low slots for precious defensive mods.




Overall, this "make vehicles fun again" patch sounds a whole lot like the, "you'll never want to play this game again." Literally everything I read about it leads me to wonder, why bother tanking post-patch? I should have just grabbed an AR and hopped on board the circlejerk... This game is slowly skidding down the back of the toilet bowl, one patch at a time. The "FOTM" patch cycle does nothing other than enrage players over wasted time/SP and reinforce instability within the community.

I'm just tired of attempts to balance in a game that is by nature unbalanced, its getting old post haste.

You think that might be because ccp isn't addressing the core issues regarding vehicles in dust? Just told tell ccp that or they will bash you personally for it.

Yeah man this is gona be sooo fun! Blowing up is fun, who needs isk anyway? Being middle class mercs is for pu$$y$, we dont need money or tanks to ride to work! So much fun for AV

you and me both :/
saggy was so awsome... CCP blam! was right about everything. I feel bad for everything said about him. plz come back blam. plz

I agree that a tank meant for hit-n-run tactics should not be as slow as any other tank that is generally heavier.

Rebuild with a clear combat philosophy in mind.
There are a number of issues with vehicle combat at the moment, but most of these are symptomatic of a bigger issue: vehicles have no clear role on the battlefield

not to mention missile turrets better be worth their salt because they require turret operation 5 to even skill into and blaster and rail only take level 1

and above all else the madrugar is still clearly the better tank since it has the exact same speed 4000 armor and 1200 shields
while the poor gunnlogi has only 1500 armor and only 2650 shields while adding more increases the recharge delay and the complex armor repairer gives 145 armor per second while the gunnlogi has a base recharge rate of 168 per second and that's after a recharge delay while im fairly certain that the armor repairs indefinitely

and don't forget that the base speed isn't even 2500 its 2400 so its even slower then the OP makes it out to be
and overall the madrugar is pretty much in a good place as is as long as you're smart about it
you pretty much can't die in it just be thankful they didn't take your bugged armor reps away allowing you to not only survive but thrive as long as you have half a brain while they removed the gunnlogi's bugged damage mods so we almost can't beat a madrugar no matter how much we try if the driver has any brain cells whatsoever a gunnlogi can't beat a madrugar
because we can't out-damage their bugged reps anymore since we don't have our bugged damage mods
and CCP had a double standard when it came to those because you said it would make your tank extinct

yet CCP still turns a deaf ear and a blind eye towards the gunnlogi while the madrugars blow us up without even breaking a sweat and laugh at us while doing so if taking away your bugged reps would make you extinct then what about the gunnlogi
how many gunnlogi's do you see for every madrugar i don't know about you but most of the time i see a gunnlogi its mine
and its only there because im clearly stupid and try to make a gunnlogi work but more often then not i'll start killing infantry
so much that they get pissed call in an aurum madrugar and kill me with it post haste so if you consider yourself weak
as a madrugar pilot then count your lucky stars you're not in a gunnlogi and that we still don't have our sagaris back,

Rant over... now if its not clear i hate madrugars those who drive them i have no quarrel with i just despise that tank immensely but hey im just happy that those atrocious stats aren't final

So who's screwing us over?

Minmatar HAV base speed better be in the 3000 territory.

I'm gonna blow your mind

CCP made both tanks have the same speed for a single reason. The new goal of making the frames weak when unfit. Since armor plates slow down a tank an armor tank will be slower becuase plates will have larger bonuses and larger drawbacks than before. So a tank is only powerful based on it's fit.

They did this by increasing the base HP of tanks, and reducing how many fitting slots they have.

They should have left speeds as they were. This is stupid. WTH was Wolfman was thinking, or did Logibro **** up the graphs?

Tanks are pretty fast actually, today an abrams can fire accurately going 60 MPH. But that doesent matter, the tanks were at decent, fair speeds but now their getting speed nerfed and its tanking ability. Now they are trash

If we are talking about real life. We have Javelin missiles that can 1 HKO most tanks. (AV buff anyone? , just kidding)
I agree they were at decent , and fair speed.

BUT ITS NITRO that breaks them. Thats jsut , insane. i mean they should :
1- Leave speeds as they ARE NOW. remove nitro (or overdrive, whatever is called) for HAV's.
2- Make the speed nerf, but MAke Overdrive last longer + powerful.
3-Its nothing personal. im just agains HAV's being in any way Faster than LAVs....

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Again ,you (we in the case of my shield tanker) cant have both.

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On another note , overdrive (nitro) BETTER BE WORTH that godd*mned slot because i will only have 3 High slots now ....

If we are talking about real life. We have Javelin missiles that can 1 HKO most tanks. (AV buff anyone? , just kidding)
I agree they were at decent , and fair speed.

BUT ITS NITRO that breaks them. Thats jsut , insane. i mean they should :
1- Leave speeds as they ARE NOW. remove nitro (or overdrive, whatever is called) for HAV's.
2- Make the speed nerf, but MAke Overdrive last longer + powerful.
3-Its nothing personal. im just agains HAV's being in any way Faster than LAVs....

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Again ,you (we in the case of my shield tanker) cant have both.

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On another note , overdrive (nitro) BETTER BE WORTH that godd*mned slot because i will only have 3 High slots now ....