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General Grodd
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:48:00 -
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Ahem veteran tanker here... and Well it's just nonsense my tank can be soloed by Proto swarms. I have a natural 33% damage resistance with a particular fitting of my shield tank. Don't forget explosives do another -20% damage to shields. So at -53% damage I really should not be soloed. Swarms can of course cut corners, turn invisible blah blah blah it's just nonsense. "We'll AV is anti vehicle so I should insta-kill vehicles right" says the dumb kid. hmm but tanks are anti infantry so where do we stand now? Well considering the monetary and sp values are far higher for tank, shouldn't it be far harder for infantry to kill tanks than for tanks to kill infantry? It's obvious really...
Personally I could care less about hording kills, I want to actually help my team and earn isk. K/d R is at 4.40, and nobody really cares. But everybody cares about tanks helping them battle, providing scanning, cover, ammo, fire support, etc. I hate redline sniping. It's boring, not really helpful, and cheap. Most teammates would agree on the not helpful part. Enough ranting! That's my two cents, anyways. |
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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:51:00 -
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Agreed with everything except for the tanks being an anti-infantry tool. I see them more as a support tool, scaring redberries away from a position, forcing redberries to swap to AV fits (easily countered by infantry weapons), and just general bad-assery. |
![KING CHECKMATE KING CHECKMATE](https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/img/character_creator/male_amarr_128.jpg)
KING CHECKMATE
TEAM SATISFACTION
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:55:00 -
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ANOTHER.TANKER.QQ.THREAD.
Please wait for vehicle balance, then your opinions will matter.
TY
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GET ATMESON
Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:56:00 -
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General Grodd wrote:Ahem veteran tanker here... and Well it's just nonsense my tank can be soloed by Proto swarms. I have a natural 33% damage resistance with a particular fitting of my shield tank. Don't forget explosives do another -20% damage to shields. So at -53% damage I really should not be soloed. Swarms can of course cut corners, turn invisible blah blah blah it's just nonsense. "We'll AV is anti vehicle so I should insta-kill vehicles right" says the dumb kid. hmm but tanks are anti infantry so where do we stand now? Well considering the monetary and sp values are far higher for tank, shouldn't it be far harder for infantry to kill tanks than for tanks to kill infantry? It's obvious really...
Personally I could care less about hording kills, I want to actually help my team and earn isk. K/d R is at 4.40, and nobody really cares. But everybody cares about tanks helping them battle, providing scanning, cover, ammo, fire support, etc. I hate redline sniping. It's boring, not really helpful, and cheap. Most teammates would agree on the not helpful part. Enough ranting! That's my two cents, anyways.
Shield tanker with a brain. A rare player. Props for shield tanking. FG's against shield eat you away. How do you fair against an armor tanker?
If players want a tanker to do those roles they should CRY on the fourms and find a player who is willing to scan, cover, etc. Tanks have roles just depends on if everyone will get the tanker another 2mill-5mill tank if it gets popped. |
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GET ATMESON
Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:57:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:ANOTHER.TANKER.QQ.THREAD.
Please wait for vehicle balance, then your opinions will matter.
TY
HEY. You forgot the slogan. SOONtm |
![KING CHECKMATE KING CHECKMATE](https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/img/character_creator/male_amarr_128.jpg)
KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:58:00 -
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GET ATMESON wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:ANOTHER.TANKER.QQ.THREAD.
Please wait for vehicle balance, then your opinions will matter.
TY
HEY. You forgot the slogan. SOONtm
Sorry, will edit
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Nguruthos IX
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:59:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Agreed with everything except for the tanks being an anti-infantry tool. I see them more as a support tool, scaring redberries away from a position, forcing redberries to swap to AV fits (easily countered by infantry weapons), and just general bad-assery.
I agree. Yet obviously vehicles/tanks need to be able to kill infantry and it makes little sense for say, an assault rifle to be doing more damage to infantry than my proto small blaster turret.
But yeah, the role of tanks should be to hang back and provide long distance, high powered support directed towards an objected. Pinning infantry behind wall and killing sprinters. |
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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.02 02:59:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:ANOTHER.TANKER.QQ.THREAD.
Please wait for vehicle balance, then your opinions will matter.
Everybody knows vehicle / Av balance is broken.
TANKS ARE NOT ANTI INFANTRY. They are anti Assets + anti vehicles
TY Why are you so racist against vehicles? Every post of yours is more anti-tanker garbage.
It's like you WANT the AR's to win. |
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.10.02 03:01:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:ANOTHER.TANKER.QQ.THREAD.
Please wait for vehicle balance, then your opinions will matter.
Everybody knows vehicle / Av balance is broken.
TANKS ARE NOT ANTI INFANTRY. They are anti Assets + anti vehicles
TY Why are you so racist against vehicles? Every post of yours is more anti-tanker garbage. It's like you WANT the AR's to win.
Please point out EXACTLY where im being'' RACIST'' vs vehicles....
Im ''RACIST'' agains QQ tankers, thats all...
(Lets not use that word anymore TY) |
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2013.10.02 03:02:00 -
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They're not that bad. Swarms are annoying and while I disagree that they do too much damage for requiring less skill than, say a Plasma Cannon, I don't think that it's so much of an issue against Tanks. Dropships, yes, but Tanks no.
There was a point when Tanks were nigh invincible and facing one was hard enough but six would cause players to drop out of the game (because there really was no hope). Then they were paper thin and would get killed by a few dedicated players with assault rifles. But right now they're in a pretty good place minus some errant mishaps like shield tanks being inherently weak - which is what your problem is. It's not that Swarms are OP, it's that shield tanks are UP. You will probably never see a Shield Tank in PC and if you do there is a certain reason behind it. |
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![General Grodd General Grodd](https://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/img/character_creator/male_gallente_128.jpg)
General Grodd
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.02 03:17:00 -
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GET ATMESON wrote:General Grodd wrote:Ahem veteran tanker here... and Well it's just nonsense my tank can be soloed by Proto swarms. I have a natural 33% damage resistance with a particular fitting of my shield tank. Don't forget explosives do another -20% damage to shields. So at -53% damage I really should not be soloed. Swarms can of course cut corners, turn invisible blah blah blah it's just nonsense. "We'll AV is anti vehicle so I should insta-kill vehicles right" says the dumb kid. hmm but tanks are anti infantry so where do we stand now? Well considering the monetary and sp values are far higher for tank, shouldn't it be far harder for infantry to kill tanks than for tanks to kill infantry? It's obvious really...
Personally I could care less about hording kills, I want to actually help my team and earn isk. K/d R is at 4.40, and nobody really cares. But everybody cares about tanks helping them battle, providing scanning, cover, ammo, fire support, etc. I hate redline sniping. It's boring, not really helpful, and cheap. Most teammates would agree on the not helpful part. Enough ranting! That's my two cents, anyways. Shield tanker with a brain. A rare player. Props for shield tanking. FG's against shield eat you away. How do you fair against an armor tanker? If players want a tanker to do those roles they should CRY on the fourms and find a player who is willing to scan, cover, etc. Tanks have roles just depends on if everyone will get the tanker another 2mill-5mill tank if it gets popped. I normally have a hard time with them, unless 1. I use double shield hardeners (they leave me quite vulnerable when cooling down so its a risky fitting) or 2. I use missile turrets, they tear up armor tanks like a boss Lol |
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General Grodd
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.02 03:20:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:They're not that bad. Swarms are annoying and while I disagree that they do too much damage for requiring less skill than, say a Plasma Cannon, I don't think that it's so much of an issue against Tanks. Dropships, yes, but Tanks no.
There was a point when Tanks were nigh invincible and facing one was hard enough but six would cause players to drop out of the game (because there really was no hope). Then they were paper thin and would get killed by a few dedicated players with assault rifles. But right now they're in a pretty good place minus some errant mishaps like shield tanks being inherently weak - which is what your problem is. It's not that Swarms are OP, it's that shield tanks are UP. You will probably never see a Shield Tank in PC and if you do there is a certain reason behind it. I do suppose you're right there, but I guess I should have mentioned its the Proto swarms. Standard swarms aren't really a problem while advanced are annoying. |
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.10.02 03:25:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:ANOTHER.TANKER.QQ.THREAD.
Please wait for vehicle balance, then your opinions will matter. This should come SOON(TM)
Everybody knows vehicle / Av balance is broken.
TANKS ARE NOT ANTI INFANTRY. They are anti Assets + anti vehicles
TY STOP POSTING IN TANK THREADS BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. |
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.10.02 03:33:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:ANOTHER.TANKER.QQ.THREAD.
Please wait for vehicle balance, then your opinions will matter.
Everybody knows vehicle / Av balance is broken.
TANKS ARE NOT ANTI INFANTRY. They are anti Assets + anti vehicles
TY Why are you so racist against vehicles? Every post of yours is more anti-tanker garbage. It's like you WANT the AR's to win. Of course he wants the AR to reign supreme, he was probably killed by tanks one too many times. |
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
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Posted - 2013.10.02 04:25:00 -
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I find it funny my dropship is more survivable then my tanks.... |
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.10.02 04:28:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:ANOTHER.TANKER.QQ.THREAD.
Please wait for vehicle balance, then your opinions will matter. This should come SOON(TM)
Everybody knows vehicle / Av balance is broken.
TANKS ARE NOT ANTI INFANTRY. They are anti Assets + anti vehicles
TY STOP POSTING IN TANK THREADS BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
You have no power here scrub |
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Tectonic Fusion
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.10.02 04:31:00 -
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If the tanks removed were here... it would be the opposite. It would take at least 2 proto swarms to kill it. |
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