DUST Search - 4100WP=S**T PAY 300k WTF

SgtDoughnut wrote:

Jason Pearson wrote:

See I've always had the assumption that the ISK payout was worked out in a similar way to this.

You have a base amount of ISK, let's call it the Contract Payment, which is paid out (so even if you have no enemies then you get paid at the end), and then you have ISK gained on destruction of enemies stuff, so more expensive dropsuits the higher the payment, Destruction Payment.

Your Warpoints are like your percentage of that payout, so if you have 3000 warpoints, but so does everyone else, you get a very equal share of the pool, but if you have double the warpoints, you get paid more (for example, my squad and I all go fighting, they get 300k, I get 500k, I have like another 1000 warpoints on them.)

So while more warpoints are good, it means **** if your pot is bad, or everyone else has similar levels of warpoints to you.

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Man a lot of "vets" really don't understand how the system works. Your payout is related to the value of what you destroy, a bunch of militia suits are worth much less than a bunch of proto suits, milita tanks are worth less than adv tanks and the like. Your WP determine how much SP you get at the end of a match. I have come out on top of the board with over 4k wp and nobody else even close to me WP wise and still only got 150k due to that fact all I did was support my team.

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Dust Junky 4Life Intara Direct Action Caldari State 11	Posted - 2013.09.28 17:39:00 - [1] - Quote I normally go all out in EVERY MATCH. I pay to win. This particular match I had zero isk loses and 5/5 kdr. Made 4100 WP and 300k isk. The other team leader had 56 freaking kills and he only got 3300 WP. I bet he got paid more then me....... If it's red, it's dead. I blow up EVERYTHING! This is getting to be TO MUCH work for NOTHING in return. Sure in can be fun at times, but that don't outweigh the profit loses. A couple matches before this one it was just me against a full team. Hung on as long as I could and said fk it. No one ever came.......................
Derek Barnes 0uter.Heaven 407	Posted - 2013.09.28 17:41:00 - [2] - Quote Ummm.......hi
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 680	Posted - 2013.09.28 17:44:00 - [3] - Quote I really wish I could know how you wanted me to read that... It was angry/ excited/ insane voice.
Odiain Suliis The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 176	Posted - 2013.09.28 17:44:00 - [4] - Quote ISK payments are also tied to material cost destroyed. So if those enemies you killed used militia stuff then your payments are going to be significantly lower than if they would use proto stuff.
Sleepy Zan TeamPlayers EoN. 2479	Posted - 2013.09.28 17:47:00 - [5] - Quote Anyone else here like to oil up their bodies and slither through their house like a slug?
richiesutie 2 The Rainbow Effect 324	Posted - 2013.09.28 17:48:00 - [6] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Anyone else here like to oil up their bodies and slither through their house like a slug? I've got carpets,
Dust Junky 4Life Intara Direct Action Caldari State 11	Posted - 2013.09.28 17:49:00 - [7] - Quote So turrets,cru's,supply depots are all worth nothing? I can get 300k spinning in circles!
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 739	Posted - 2013.09.28 17:50:00 - [8] - Quote It all depends on on gear was used during a battle, in a game once our squad leader got 5k WP and got over a mill isk payout
Sleepy Zan TeamPlayers EoN. 2482	Posted - 2013.09.28 17:51:00 - [9] - Quote richiesutie 2 wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: Anyone else here like to oil up their bodies and slither through their house like a slug? I've got carpets, Even in your kitchen?
Lorhak Gannarsein Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 438	Posted - 2013.09.28 17:52:00 - [10] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: richiesutie 2 wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: Anyone else here like to oil up their bodies and slither through their house like a slug? I've got carpets, Even in your kitchen? No, and it's amazing!

Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 3567	Posted - 2013.09.28 17:53:00 - [11] - Quote Chances are you were butchering newberries in militia gear, which isn't worth as much. If you'd been killing protosuits, you'd have been getting huge payouts. Recently I got a 700k payout for beating up a protosquad, so I highly doubt you were shooting anything of consequence.
Dust Junky 4Life Intara Direct Action Caldari State 11	Posted - 2013.09.28 17:53:00 - [12] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Anyone else here like to oil up their bodies and slither through their house like a slug? So you like humping your floors, good for you! Bunch of sick fk's
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 505	Posted - 2013.09.28 17:54:00 - [13] - Quote your personal isk payout is based on the quality of your kills.
Sleepy Zan TeamPlayers EoN. 2482	Posted - 2013.09.28 17:55:00 - [14] - Quote Dust Junky 4Life wrote: Sleepy Zan wrote: Anyone else here like to oil up their bodies and slither through their house like a slug? So you like humping your floors, good for you! Bunch of sick fk's You have no idea what your missing out on
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 611	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:06:00 - [15] - Quote In conclusion, stop proto pubstomping - it's not big, it's not clever and apparently it doesn't even make financial sense.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1559	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:15:00 - [16] - Quote low genius wrote: your personal isk payout is based on the quality of your kills. This is wrong: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2012/12/war-and-profit/ Your personal payout is based on WP. I've been experiencing significantly lower payouts in 1.4 even with performances similarly high to pre 1.4. CCP haven't announced any changes but it definitely seems to have lowered for every one I speak to lately.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9020	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:17:00 - [17] - Quote Django Quik wrote: low genius wrote: your personal isk payout is based on the quality of your kills. This is wrong: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2012/12/war-and-profit/ Your personal payout is based on WP. I've been experiencing significantly lower payouts in 1.4 even with performances similarly high to pre 1.4. CCP haven't announced any changes but it definitely seems to have lowered for every one I speak to lately. That's so last year.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 967	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:21:00 - [18] - Quote Did you win, or lose the match? How did the rest of your teams WP scores compare to your own? What is a 5/5 K/D R? Do you mean you killed 1 person for every time you died? If so, how does this equate to no ISK lost? If you lost suits, you lost ISK.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1559	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:46:00 - [19] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Django Quik wrote: low genius wrote: your personal isk payout is based on the quality of your kills. This is wrong: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2012/12/war-and-profit/ Your personal payout is based on WP. I've been experiencing significantly lower payouts in 1.4 even with performances similarly high to pre 1.4. CCP haven't announced any changes but it definitely seems to have lowered for every one I speak to lately. That's so last year. True but we've never been told it's been changed to anything different, so if it has, we have nothing else to go by.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3920	Posted - 2013.09.28 19:05:00 - [20] - Quote Sleepy Zan wrote: Anyone else here like to oil up their bodies and slither through their house like a slug? All. The. Time.

Jason Pearson Animus Securities 2927	Posted - 2013.09.28 19:31:00 - [21] - Quote See I've always had the assumption that the ISK payout was worked out in a similar way to this. You have a base amount of ISK, let's call it the Contract Payment, which is paid out (so even if you have no enemies then you get paid at the end), and then you have ISK gained on destruction of enemies stuff, so more expensive dropsuits the higher the payment, Destruction Payment. Your Warpoints are like your percentage of that payout, so if you have 3000 warpoints, but so does everyone else, you get a very equal share of the pool, but if you have double the warpoints, you get paid more (for example, my squad and I all go fighting, they get 300k, I get 500k, I have like another 1000 warpoints on them.) So while more warpoints are good, it means **** if your pot is bad, or everyone else has similar levels of warpoints to you. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 202	Posted - 2013.09.28 19:54:00 - [22] - Quote Django Quik wrote: low genius wrote: your personal isk payout is based on the quality of your kills. This is wrong: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2012/12/war-and-profit/ Your personal payout is based on WP. I've been experiencing significantly lower payouts in 1.4 even with performances similarly high to pre 1.4. CCP haven't announced any changes but it definitely seems to have lowered for every one I speak to lately. Nope wrong, isk payout its 100% related to how much the stuff you destroy is worth. High value suits and tanks net you more cash than stomping newbies in militia gear.
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 202	Posted - 2013.09.28 20:05:00 - [23] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: See I've always had the assumption that the ISK payout was worked out in a similar way to this. You have a base amount of ISK, let's call it the Contract Payment, which is paid out (so even if you have no enemies then you get paid at the end), and then you have ISK gained on destruction of enemies stuff, so more expensive dropsuits the higher the payment, Destruction Payment. Your Warpoints are like your percentage of that payout, so if you have 3000 warpoints, but so does everyone else, you get a very equal share of the pool, but if you have double the warpoints, you get paid more (for example, my squad and I all go fighting, they get 300k, I get 500k, I have like another 1000 warpoints on them.) So while more warpoints are good, it means **** if your pot is bad, or everyone else has similar levels of warpoints to you. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! Man a lot of "vets" really don't understand how the system works. Your payout is related to the value of what you destroy, a bunch of militia suits are worth much less than a bunch of proto suits, milita tanks are worth less than adv tanks and the like. Your WP determine how much SP you get at the end of a match. I have come out on top of the board with over 4k wp and nobody else even close to me WP wise and still only got 150k due to that fact all I did was support my team.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 1050	Posted - 2013.09.28 20:08:00 - [24] - Quote I went 7-2 in a ambush against some proto stompers the other day, our team lost 50 clones in 5 mins. I made 310k.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 941	Posted - 2013.09.28 20:17:00 - [25] - Quote I've gone higher and got lower. I even counted what I killed (I have good eyes): 14 PROTO Caldari assaults 17 PROTO Caldari Logis 7 PROTO Sentinels 2 PROTO Commandos 1 PROTO WInmatar Assault 2 PROTO Gall Scouts 1 PROTO winmatar Scouts 8 Adv. Adv. Gallente Assaults 4 STD Commandos 8 Balochs 4 Chary's a Gunnlogi 2 Falchions a Incubus All of that, and I only got 238k ISK. Know what my squad was getting? 500k, 700k, rediculous gains like that. They gave me ISK for it (as I deserved it god dammit), but that was still BS.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4328	Posted - 2013.09.28 20:54:00 - [26] - Quote As others have pointed out, the gear that your targets are wearing at the moment you killed them is calculated into your payout. If you went 5/5 but all of your targets were wearing proto gear up the yin yang, then you will receive a bigger payout than perhaps the dude who got 56 kills but all of his targets were wearing just starter fits. The war points are also taken into account as well as your time in the match. There are too many factors at play here.
Dust Junky 4Life Intara Direct Action Caldari State 11	Posted - 2013.09.28 22:42:00 - [27] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: See I've always had the assumption that the ISK payout was worked out in a similar way to this. You have a base amount of ISK, let's call it the Contract Payment, which is paid out (so even if you have no enemies then you get paid at the end), and then you have ISK gained on destruction of enemies stuff, so more expensive dropsuits the higher the payment, Destruction Payment. Your Warpoints are like your percentage of that payout, so if you have 3000 warpoints, but so does everyone else, you get a very equal share of the pool, but if you have double the warpoints, you get paid more (for example, my squad and I all go fighting, they get 300k, I get 500k, I have like another 1000 warpoints on them.) So while more warpoints are good, it means **** if your pot is bad, or everyone else has similar levels of warpoints to you. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! Man a lot of "vets" really don't understand how the system works. Your payout is related to the value of what you destroy, a bunch of militia suits are worth much less than a bunch of proto suits, milita tanks are worth less than adv tanks and the like. Your WP determine how much SP you get at the end of a match. I have come out on top of the board with over 4k wp and nobody else even close to me WP wise and still only got 150k due to that fact all I did was support my team. I just went 3/6 got 650k 2500wp The SYSTEM IS BROKEN!
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1371	Posted - 2013.09.28 22:44:00 - [28] - Quote Dust Junky 4Life wrote: I normally go all out in EVERY MATCH. I pay to win. This particular match I had zero isk loses and 5/5 kdr. Made 4100 WP and 300k isk. The other team leader had 56 freaking kills and he only got 3300 WP. I bet he got paid more then me....... If it's red, it's dead. I blow up EVERYTHING! This is getting to be TO MUCH work for NOTHING in return. Sure in can be fun at times, but that don't outweigh the profit loses. A couple matches before this one it was just me against a full team. Hung on as long as I could and said fk it. No one ever came....................... This is troll thread. I do 3000 WP and get payed 450k... nice try.
Dust Junky 4Life Intara Direct Action Caldari State 11	Posted - 2013.09.28 22:46:00 - [29] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Dust Junky 4Life wrote: I normally go all out in EVERY MATCH. I pay to win. This particular match I had zero isk loses and 5/5 kdr. Made 4100 WP and 300k isk. The other team leader had 56 freaking kills and he only got 3300 WP. I bet he got paid more then me....... If it's red, it's dead. I blow up EVERYTHING! This is getting to be TO MUCH work for NOTHING in return. Sure in can be fun at times, but that don't outweigh the profit loses. A couple matches before this one it was just me against a full team. Hung on as long as I could and said fk it. No one ever came....................... This is troll thread. I do 3000 WP and get payed 450k... nice try. Your the troll, now GTFO
Dust Junky 4Life Intara Direct Action Caldari State 11	Posted - 2013.09.28 22:48:00 - [30] - Quote Dust Junky 4Life wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Dust Junky 4Life wrote: I normally go all out in EVERY MATCH. I pay to win. This particular match I had zero isk loses and 5/5 kdr. Made 4100 WP and 300k isk. The other team leader had 56 freaking kills and he only got 3300 WP. I bet he got paid more then me....... If it's red, it's dead. I blow up EVERYTHING! This is getting to be TO MUCH work for NOTHING in return. Sure in can be fun at times, but that don't outweigh the profit loses. A couple matches before this one it was just me against a full team. Hung on as long as I could and said fk it. No one ever came....................... This is troll thread. I do 3000 WP and get payed 450k... nice try. Your the troll, now GTFO Oh AND I got PICS to prove it! Even got a pic of my newly invented Exil scanner AR. Two items built into one!

Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1561	Posted - 2013.09.28 22:52:00 - [31] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: Django Quik wrote: low genius wrote: your personal isk payout is based on the quality of your kills. This is wrong: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2012/12/war-and-profit/ Your personal payout is based on WP. I've been experiencing significantly lower payouts in 1.4 even with performances similarly high to pre 1.4. CCP haven't announced any changes but it definitely seems to have lowered for every one I speak to lately. Nope wrong, isk payout its 100% related to how much the stuff you destroy is worth. High value suits and tanks net you more cash than stomping newbies in militia gear. Please link to whatever evidence you have that this is the case. AFAIK the last CCP said anything about payouts was this linked dev blog from 9 months ago. Yes, it is true that you get more isk from killing proto players than militia geared people but that does not mean that that part of the payout is 100% of the payout. If that were the case, people who get zero WP in a game would get no isk, which is not what happens. If you're too lazy to look at the dev blog I linked, it says that payouts have 3 components: Base contract payment (dependent on time spent in match) Equipment destroyed (divided by all players on the team by time spent in match with a greater % going to winners) Personal payout (some unexplained extra payout dependent on WP - NOTE not "quality of your kills")
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3232	Posted - 2013.09.28 23:15:00 - [32] - Quote Don't use what you can't afford to lose- and don't ***** about not being able to afford to lose something
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1133	Posted - 2013.09.28 23:48:00 - [33] - Quote Assets destroyed (Everything has an isk value) are added to a pool of rewards that are divided up to your team according to WP earned. If you had that much WP then you would have received the vast majority of that "pool" which apparently was not worth much as your opponents were using cheap crap. You also of course get the "base" amount of isk due to being in a match for x amount of time. WP also determine how much SP you get in a match, also added to the base amount due to being ina match for x amount of time.


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