DUST Search - Gunnlogi vs Madrugar.

Jason Pearson wrote:

Right now, a major reason why the Madrugar beats a Gunnlogi is due to their insane ability to rep due to it being bugged.

See both Armor and Shields should pulse 5 times, once every 3 seconds for 15 seconds, but it seems the Armor rep pulses once every second for 15 seconds, obviously broken (3x reppers).

As a major Caldari Tanker, I understand the unfairness when it comes to fighting other tanks, being part of PC meant I had to switch to Gallente if I wanted to take part and actually fight. Balance will never occur if we look at how things are right now though, we have to wait.

If you do want to play as a Gunnlogi pilot, I recommend buffer and speed, rather than repping. Gunnlogi is an Anti Infantry tank atm, whereas the Madrugar is an Anti Tank tank, with that in mind your weaponry shouldn't be focused on being high damage, rather a scattered blaster will do the trick allowing you to focus on your shield output.

I run a scattered Neutron Blaster, and I kill stupid Madrugar Pilots, you need to be a lot smarter as a Gunnlogi Pilot, know your enemy, use speed mods to engage and disengage, for example, approach madrugar from behind, fire at him til he activates his Repper, retreat rapidly and count, you've got until your speed mod deactivates to stay far enough from him but close enough to rush back in and fight, once the reppers are down go at him with full speed and smash the fool.

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Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 680	Posted - 2013.09.28 17:39:00 - [1] - Quote Please explain to me how this is fair for a gunnnlogi in any sense.
Cy Clone1 Intara Direct Action Caldari State 251	Posted - 2013.09.28 17:48:00 - [2] - Quote Xender17 wrote: Please explain to me how this is fair for a gunnnlogi in any sense. its not! 1. lower eph 2.reps that work slower and repair much less 3. less speed 4.skills to increase cpu by 5%, but not to increase pg. Which the gunlogi lacks. 5. The madys main gun can aim farther down than a gunlogi, meaning if a shield tank is on any sort of hill he cant shoot targets even slightly below. 6. long lasting hardeners every aspect is better besides the fact that most av weapons are more effective vs armor. However the fact that their reps work so much better really removes this down side.
Lorhak Gannarsein Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 438	Posted - 2013.09.28 17:54:00 - [3] - Quote ^ Basically, if I see a Gunnlogi, he'd better be running missiles AND be really good, or he's toast. They never are.
Sgt Buttscratch SLAPHAPPY BANDITS 848	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:04:00 - [4] - Quote Don't misjudge those shield tankers, they'll sneak up and **** you up
Xender17 Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 680	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:08:00 - [5] - Quote Cy Clone1 wrote: Xender17 wrote: Please explain to me how this is fair for a gunnnlogi in any sense. its not! 1. lower eph 2.reps that work slower and repair much less 3. less speed 4.skills to increase cpu by 5%, but not to increase pg. Which the gunlogi lacks. 5. The madys main gun can aim farther down than a gunlogi, meaning if a shield tank is on any sort of hill he cant shoot targets even slightly below. 6. long lasting hardeners every aspect is better besides the fact that most av weapons are more effective vs armor. However the fact that their reps work so much better really removes this down side. Usually 1000 more hp and much more rep. I agree that AV damage bonus/ difference doesn't matter or do anything anymore.
Crimson Judgment ROGUE SPADES EoN. 124	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:22:00 - [6] - Quote the problem is how it used to work was a gunnlogi tried to out-damage a madrugars tank and the madrugar tried to out-tank the gunnlogis damage what went wrong with this in uprising was they took away the gunnlogis bugged damage mods and kept the madrugars bugged armor reps so now the madrugar has an unfair advantage over the gunnlogis and can now out-tank any damage the gunnlogi can dish out
Jason Pearson Animus Securities 2923	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:23:00 - [7] - Quote Right now, a major reason why the Madrugar beats a Gunnlogi is due to their insane ability to rep due to it being bugged. See both Armor and Shields should pulse 5 times, once every 3 seconds for 15 seconds, but it seems the Armor rep pulses once every second for 15 seconds, obviously broken (3x reppers). As a major Caldari Tanker, I understand the unfairness when it comes to fighting other tanks, being part of PC meant I had to switch to Gallente if I wanted to take part and actually fight. Balance will never occur if we look at how things are right now though, we have to wait. If you do want to play as a Gunnlogi pilot, I recommend buffer and speed, rather than repping. Gunnlogi is an Anti Infantry tank atm, whereas the Madrugar is an Anti Tank tank, with that in mind your weaponry shouldn't be focused on being high damage, rather a scattered blaster will do the trick allowing you to focus on your shield output. I run a scattered Neutron Blaster, and I kill stupid Madrugar Pilots, you need to be a lot smarter as a Gunnlogi Pilot, know your enemy, use speed mods to engage and disengage, for example, approach madrugar from behind, fire at him til he activates his Repper, retreat rapidly and count, you've got until your speed mod deactivates to stay far enough from him but close enough to rush back in and fight, once the reppers are down go at him with full speed and smash the fool. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 272	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:30:00 - [8] - Quote With all due respect shield tank is hit and run, its not supposed to stand toe to toe with armour. Play it like you would a scout, pick your engagemente more wisely. I f**k up well fitted maddys with a militia fitted gunloggi with std large missile turrets, it has 5608 shield with 24.00 passive regen and a light booster, torque mod and mlt diagnostic mod. Just think like a scout and you will See a difference or fit a shield hardener for burst tanking, dont forget to back up as you fight the armour tank and again, pick your engagements wisely. If you don't like that then switch to armour, your using the wrong tank. Fyi my tanker alt, 4300+ kills 15.70 kd, so try to tell me to gtfo because I am doing it right, hope this helps and I'm not trying to patronize fellow vets but I see alot of people shield tanking wrong or attempting to use/fit a shield tank to be like an armour tank.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 272	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:32:00 - [9] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Right now, a major reason why the Madrugar beats a Gunnlogi is due to their insane ability to rep due to it being bugged. See both Armor and Shields should pulse 5 times, once every 3 seconds for 15 seconds, but it seems the Armor rep pulses once every second for 15 seconds, obviously broken (3x reppers). As a major Caldari Tanker, I understand the unfairness when it comes to fighting other tanks, being part of PC meant I had to switch to Gallente if I wanted to take part and actually fight. Balance will never occur if we look at how things are right now though, we have to wait. If you do want to play as a Gunnlogi pilot, I recommend buffer and speed, rather than repping. Gunnlogi is an Anti Infantry tank atm, whereas the Madrugar is an Anti Tank tank, with that in mind your weaponry shouldn't be focused on being high damage, rather a scattered blaster will do the trick allowing you to focus on your shield output. I run a scattered Neutron Blaster, and I kill stupid Madrugar Pilots, you need to be a lot smarter as a Gunnlogi Pilot, know your enemy, use speed mods to engage and disengage, for example, approach madrugar from behind, fire at him til he activates his Repper, retreat rapidly and count, you've got until your speed mod deactivates to stay far enough from him but close enough to rush back in and fight, once the reppers are down go at him with full speed and smash the fool. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! This is also quality advice
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 3920	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:35:00 - [10] - Quote I have much better luck running Gunnlogi's against infantry than I do with Madrugars, and my Madrugar handles enemy tanks much better than my Gunnlogi. Pick the right tool for the right job.

TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 272	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:37:00 - [11] - Quote 2 volleys off a large missile turrets forces the maddy to rep, run away and wait until it's on cd, then engage, maddy realises it's do or die, keep reversing while firing and you win. My tanker alt is mainly maddy but shield tanking requires smart play and im hooked on it. Ps that was just one scenario obviously but if you are wise with engagement they will always fight on your terms
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 272	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:39:00 - [12] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: I have much better luck running Gunnlogi's against infantry than I do with Madrugars, and my Madrugar handles enemy tanks much better than my Gunnlogi. Pick the right tool for the right job. Read what I put, don't go toe to toe wwith a maddy, make them fight on your terms, they rely on you going toe to toe with them
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 272	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:41:00 - [13] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Right now, a major reason why the Madrugar beats a Gunnlogi is due to their insane ability to rep due to it being bugged. See both Armor and Shields should pulse 5 times, once every 3 seconds for 15 seconds, but it seems the Armor rep pulses once every second for 15 seconds, obviously broken (3x reppers). As a major Caldari Tanker, I understand the unfairness when it comes to fighting other tanks, being part of PC meant I had to switch to Gallente if I wanted to take part and actually fight. Balance will never occur if we look at how things are right now though, we have to wait. If you do want to play as a Gunnlogi pilot, I recommend buffer and speed, rather than repping. Gunnlogi is an Anti Infantry tank atm, whereas the Madrugar is an Anti Tank tank, with that in mind your weaponry shouldn't be focused on being high damage, rather a scattered blaster will do the trick allowing you to focus on your shield output. I run a scattered Neutron Blaster, and I kill stupid Madrugar Pilots, you need to be a lot smarter as a Gunnlogi Pilot, know your enemy, use speed mods to engage and disengage, for example, approach madrugar from behind, fire at him til he activates his Repper, retreat rapidly and count, you've got until your speed mod deactivates to stay far enough from him but close enough to rush back in and fight, once the reppers are down go at him with full speed and smash the fool. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! Lol if I had read this to begin with id have posted nothing :-)
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1734	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:43:00 - [14] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Right now, a major reason why the Madrugar beats a Gunnlogi is due to their insane ability to rep due to it being bugged. See both Armor and Shields should pulse 5 times, once every 3 seconds for 15 seconds, but it seems the Armor rep pulses once every second for 15 seconds, obviously broken (3x reppers). shields should pulse 5 times in 5 seconds based on their own stats Jason Pearson wrote: I run a scattered Neutron Blaster, and I kill stupid Madrugar Pilots, you need to be a lot smarter as a Gunnlogi Pilot, know your enemy, use speed mods to engage and disengage, for example, approach madrugar from behind, fire at him til he activates his Repper, retreat rapidly and count, you've got until your speed mod deactivates to stay far enough from him but close enough to rush back in and fight, once the reppers are down go at him with full speed and smash the fool. then he activates his second repper and you are doomed... most common armor tank i see has an eHP of 20,000~ most common shield tank i see has an eHP of 10,500~ thats why gunnlogi vs madrugar is so LOL.
Andra Syra Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 2	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:43:00 - [15] - Quote Cy Clone1 wrote: [quote=Xender17]every aspect is better besides the fact that most av weapons are more effective vs armor. However the fact that their reps work so much better really removes this down side. Except even this is deceptive. While armour tankers are weaker against AV grenades and swarm launchers, shield tankers are weaker against forge guns and flux grenades. While swarms and AV grenades are still effective against shield tankers, flux grenades do next to nothing against armour tankers. Honestly, the only reason to skill into Caldari tanks at the moment is that you won the one hundred Falchions from that challenge or you're really confident CCP is going to buff shields (hint: I'm not sticking with Caldari because I'm confident in balancing).
Jason Pearson Animus Securities 2925	Posted - 2013.09.28 18:52:00 - [16] - Quote ladwar wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Right now, a major reason why the Madrugar beats a Gunnlogi is due to their insane ability to rep due to it being bugged. See both Armor and Shields should pulse 5 times, once every 3 seconds for 15 seconds, but it seems the Armor rep pulses once every second for 15 seconds, obviously broken (3x reppers). shields should pulse 5 times in 5 seconds based on their own stats Jason Pearson wrote: I run a scattered Neutron Blaster, and I kill stupid Madrugar Pilots, you need to be a lot smarter as a Gunnlogi Pilot, know your enemy, use speed mods to engage and disengage, for example, approach madrugar from behind, fire at him til he activates his Repper, retreat rapidly and count, you've got until your speed mod deactivates to stay far enough from him but close enough to rush back in and fight, once the reppers are down go at him with full speed and smash the fool. then he activates his second repper and you are doomed... most common armor tank i see has an eHP of 20,000~ most common shield tank i see has an eHP of 10,500~ thats why gunnlogi vs madrugar is so LOL. If he does that, then compliments to the Madrugar as not many people do run double rep tanks, as they have such little armor due to the requirements of the reps, if you do see someone with low (full) armor, then expect that, that's where your skill as a pilot comes into play. Most Armor Tanks have between 6000-6700 Armor HP, it's a standard fit that everyone knows, Plate, Rep, Hardener, Hardener, PG, and then a Heatsink and Scanner in the High slots, common fit. It's what most people run when I speak to them, and what they advise newer tankers to run (who would've thought, learning both Armor and Shield tanking can be useful.) So my original tactic stands when coming across common fit madrugars Anyways, a double rep can be beaten through Rail or AV, unfortunately that's the only way to compete with such a tank, but due to their low Armor you can finish them before their reps kick in, I use a compressed proto rail with two damage mods for this, simply activate your heatsink, fire, by the time the reps have had it's 5 seconds to turn on you should have him. Also, I will have to check the stats against actual gameplay, not that it matters too much, we simply do not have enough health given in those 5 pulses, even at 5 seconds due to another 30 second cool down. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
Musta Tornius Cannonfodder PMC 611	Posted - 2013.09.28 19:04:00 - [17] - Quote Andra Syra wrote: Cy Clone1 wrote: [quote=Xender17]every aspect is better besides the fact that most av weapons are more effective vs armor. However the fact that their reps work so much better really removes this down side. Except even this is deceptive. While armour tankers are weaker against AV grenades and swarm launchers, shield tankers are weaker against forge guns and flux grenades. While swarms and AV grenades are still effective against shield tankers, flux grenades do next to nothing against armour tankers. Honestly, the only reason to skill into Caldari tanks at the moment is that you won the one hundred Falchions from that challenge or you're really confident CCP is going to buff shields (hint: I'm not sticking with Caldari because I'm confident in balancing). I just want to point out that forge guns do 90% against shield and 110% against armour. Carry on.
Jason Pearson Animus Securities 2925	Posted - 2013.09.28 19:33:00 - [18] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: Andra Syra wrote: Cy Clone1 wrote: [quote=Xender17]every aspect is better besides the fact that most av weapons are more effective vs armor. However the fact that their reps work so much better really removes this down side. Except even this is deceptive. While armour tankers are weaker against AV grenades and swarm launchers, shield tankers are weaker against forge guns and flux grenades. While swarms and AV grenades are still effective against shield tankers, flux grenades do next to nothing against armour tankers. Honestly, the only reason to skill into Caldari tanks at the moment is that you won the one hundred Falchions from that challenge or you're really confident CCP is going to buff shields (hint: I'm not sticking with Caldari because I'm confident in balancing). I just want to point out that forge guns do 90% against shield and 110% against armour. Carry on. Meh, low reps, low HP compared to high rep, high HP Madrugars means it's gonna seem a lot weaker to most AV except Swarms, because we have 30% resistance to it iirc. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
DeathwindRising ROGUE SPADES EoN. 69	Posted - 2013.09.28 19:41:00 - [19] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: ^ Basically, if I see a Gunnlogi, he'd better be running missiles AND be really good, or he's toast. They never are. not true. i always do.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 448	Posted - 2013.09.28 20:24:00 - [20] - Quote Shield Tanks are balanced with Armour tanks when running spider tanking squads. Solo though Armour tanks obviouslly win.

Jason Pearson Animus Securities 2928	Posted - 2013.09.28 20:26:00 - [21] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: Shield Tanks are balanced with Armour tanks when running spider tanking squads. Solo though Armour tanks obviouslly win. >.< Requires so much more effort than it does running a single Madrugar. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 448	Posted - 2013.09.28 20:31:00 - [22] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: Shield Tanks are balanced with Armour tanks when running spider tanking squads. Solo though Armour tanks obviouslly win. >.< Requires so much more effort than it does running a single Madrugar. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! Not saying its a fair balance.
Mortedeamor Internal Rebellion 295	Posted - 2013.09.28 20:34:00 - [23] - Quote it is not ccp ruined the best aspects of caldari tanks and then gave gallente tanks the speed of the caldari. they are ** they are ruined my SAGARIS is gone my gunlogi ruined. and this is why shields in dust 514 have weight doesn't really make sense,but they do. a charybdis base with no shield extenders and no speed modules vs a charybdis with no speed modules and shield extenders moves slower as if bunkered down. this same concept applies to the gunlogi tanks. this did not use to be so shields are not supposed to have weight. CALDARI tanks suffer they have **** resistance modules ccp hase nerfer them so they can only run effective hp with missiles and missiles are still crap any way you put it. a solid decked gallente tank wins hands down vs caldari in any match period assuming both users are skilled equally. they ruined my tanks but i hear ps2 has amazing vehicle av aspects to it and is like dust was meant to be..sighs ps4 release
Mejt0 D3LTA ACADEMY 27	Posted - 2013.09.28 21:35:00 - [24] - Quote 1 question... Why you try to play shield tank as toe to toe? Its like in infantry role . armor for toe to toe, shield for hit n run. Do same. If you will drvie maddy from back he will have much trouble bec sac blaster turns forever. And tip for every tanker. Play with mate (take a friend with packed av) and when its coming to tank v tank, he exits and av'ed him while you shoot him too. Got taken out this way several times. Other thing. Im maddy (blaster n rail), and im very happy of vixed rendering. But im more scarry about other thing. No av,tank, fg, swarm...i most scary of laggs. I dunno but i have soo much more lags than before. Im rather scary than i will get lags and hit some wall or due to lag stay in same place while i think im driving and next im gettin 3volley at one time. Any others niticed lags?
Andra Syra Science For Death The Shadow Eclipse 4	Posted - 2013.09.28 21:49:00 - [25] - Quote Musta Tornius wrote: Andra Syra wrote: Cy Clone1 wrote: [quote=Xender17]every aspect is better besides the fact that most av weapons are more effective vs armor. However the fact that their reps work so much better really removes this down side. Except even this is deceptive. While armour tankers are weaker against AV grenades and swarm launchers, shield tankers are weaker against forge guns and flux grenades. While swarms and AV grenades are still effective against shield tankers, flux grenades do next to nothing against armour tankers. Honestly, the only reason to skill into Caldari tanks at the moment is that you won the one hundred Falchions from that challenge or you're really confident CCP is going to buff shields (hint: I'm not sticking with Caldari because I'm confident in balancing). I just want to point out that forge guns do 90% against shield and 110% against armour. Carry on. Thanks! Just edited my post to reflect my misinformation. Good to know.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1133	Posted - 2013.09.28 21:57:00 - [26] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: With all due respect shield tank is hit and run, its not supposed to stand toe to toe with armour. Hit and run can be rather difficult though if you are slower then armor tanks by default... Anywho, while I admit that using a missile Gunnie makes it significantly easier to kill Maddies (All I've been doing these last few weeks actually, feels nice to not be afraid of them and is a nice challenge), it is still an uphill battle to kill any Maddie with your Gunnie if he is just as smart as you.
jerrmy12 kahoalii Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 49	Posted - 2013.09.28 22:43:00 - [27] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: it is not ccp ruined the best aspects of caldari tanks and then gave gallente tanks the speed of the caldari. they are ** they are ruined my SAGARIS is gone my gunlogi ruined. and this is why shields in dust 514 have weight doesn't really make sense,but they do. a charybdis base with no shield extenders and no speed modules vs a charybdis with no speed modules and shield extenders moves slower as if bunkered down. this same concept applies to the gunlogi tanks. this did not use to be so shields are not supposed to have weight. CALDARI tanks suffer they have **** resistance modules ccp hase nerfer them so they can only run effective hp with missiles and missiles are still crap any way you put it. a solid decked gallente tank wins hands down vs caldari in any match period assuming both users are skilled equally. they ruined my tanks my gunlogi would like to say hi to the 2 tanks in 1 match, armor and shield
KING CHECKMATE TEAM SATISFACTION 1371	Posted - 2013.09.28 22:46:00 - [28] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: ^ Basically, if I see a Gunnlogi, he'd better be running missiles AND be really good, or he's toast. They never are. I do use a gunni, i do run missiles, im not good with it... u.u
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 393	Posted - 2013.09.28 22:53:00 - [29] - Quote Missile Gunnlogi > Blaster Madrugar.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1783	Posted - 2013.10.01 05:04:00 - [30] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Missile Gunnlogi > Blaster Madrugar. never true... anything a gunnlogi can do a madrugar can do 100x times better. standard gunnlogi is pushing to get 10,000 eHP standard madrugar has 20,000 eHP or greater.



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