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Rush Inamras
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Posted - 2013.09.26 09:35:00 -
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Why is it that I can aim well with the Semi auto Scrambler rifle but the glu tact feels so jumpy?! |
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.09.26 09:41:00 -
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Theres dust in the gun? |
KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2013.09.26 09:43:00 -
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Quiet now... |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.09.26 10:37:00 -
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Oh that, talk to the "We hate everything with A and R remotely close together" crowd Oh and then theres the "We know the scrambler is really good but we need to make sure they keep complaining about the AR so the SCR doesnt get nerfed" guys |
Rush Inamras
PiZzA DuDeS
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Posted - 2013.09.26 10:43:00 -
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GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR wrote:Theres dust in the gun?
Best quote ive heard on this forum! |
Rush Inamras
PiZzA DuDeS
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Posted - 2013.09.26 10:56:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Oh that, talk to the "We hate everything with A and R remotely close together" crowd Oh and then theres the "We know the scrambler is really good but we need to make sure they keep complaining about the AR so the SCR doesnt get nerfed" guys
Not...even o,0? I'm not dissing either gun...I just wanna know why as being both Semis... does one control better than the other? the glu would be a killer if it had as much control (and a better acog) like the scrambler Semi
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
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Posted - 2013.09.26 10:56:00 -
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Tactical AR nerf.
They were too good. Now they're too ******.
4 more months til re-buff. Again. |
Rush Inamras
PiZzA DuDeS
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Posted - 2013.09.26 10:58:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Tactical AR nerf.
They were too good. Now they're too ******.
4 more months til re-buff. Again.
I know it used to be a fully automatic, but i didnt know they nerfed it, either way I just want them to buff the ADS sensitivity for more accurate shots.
why nerf the aiming!?! thats like...stupid...if thats what you meant by nerf |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:00:00 -
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Rush Inamras wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Oh that, talk to the "We hate everything with A and R remotely close together" crowd Oh and then theres the "We know the scrambler is really good but we need to make sure they keep complaining about the AR so the SCR doesnt get nerfed" guys Not...even o,0? I'm not dissing either gun...I just wanna know why as being both Semis... does one control better than the other? the glu would be a killer if it had as much control (and a better acog) like the scrambler Semi
Well you might not have been around a few months ago before the TAC was nerfed, it used to have a larger clip, better ROF, and less kick so people cried and cried to have it nerfed Now the SCR while very very similar was relatively new at the time and not as widely used so it kind of slipped under the radar and remains a very good very useful weapon |
Rush Inamras
PiZzA DuDeS
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:04:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Rush Inamras wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Oh that, talk to the "We hate everything with A and R remotely close together" crowd Oh and then theres the "We know the scrambler is really good but we need to make sure they keep complaining about the AR so the SCR doesnt get nerfed" guys Not...even o,0? I'm not dissing either gun...I just wanna know why as being both Semis... does one control better than the other? the glu would be a killer if it had as much control (and a better acog) like the scrambler Semi Well you might not have been around a few months ago before the TAC was nerfed, it used to have a larger clip, better ROF, and less kick so people cried and cried to have it nerfed Now the SCR while very very similar was relatively new at the time and not as widely used so it kind of slipped under the radar and remains a very good very useful weapon
That's all cool (though a bigger clip would be nice) but they can leave it the way it is...I just want the aiming to be fixed to act like how a semi should aim in a game, the Glu's ADS sensitivity is busted, cant make clean precision shots like i can with the scrambler, its all over the place and its better firing from the hip.
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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:07:00 -
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CCP nerfs with a hammer instead of making incremental changes. If they could stop the knee-jerk reactions that might end up pissing off a lot less people. |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:18:00 -
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Rush Inamras wrote:Rynoceros wrote:Tactical AR nerf.
They were too good. Now they're too ******.
4 more months til re-buff. Again. I know it used to be a fully automatic, but i didnt know they nerfed it, either way I just want them to buff the ADS sensitivity for more accurate shots. why nerf the aiming!?! thats like...stupid...if thats what you meant by nerf
They hit RoF, sway (kick), and maybe even DPS too. I just bought a stack of them the other day, haven't used a Tac since Chromosome, and they kinda blow now. The 400 RMP sounds good, until you start firing and realize that anything over 180 is almost impossible and would likely have you popping off wild shots at the MCC after about 20 rounds. |
Rush Inamras
PiZzA DuDeS
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:20:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:CCP nerfs with a hammer instead of making incremental changes. If they could stop the knee-jerk reactions that might end up pissing off a lot less people.
Very true, like with explosives! (my poor flaylock...the nerf was needed but not that much! still a great sidearm though) but yeh but to their defense they dooo have to come out with these updates and fixes pretty faassst so its probably hard to make the balances choices :/
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Rush Inamras
PiZzA DuDeS
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Posted - 2013.09.26 11:24:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Rush Inamras wrote:Rynoceros wrote:Tactical AR nerf.
They were too good. Now they're too ******.
4 more months til re-buff. Again. I know it used to be a fully automatic, but i didnt know they nerfed it, either way I just want them to buff the ADS sensitivity for more accurate shots. why nerf the aiming!?! thats like...stupid...if thats what you meant by nerf They hit RoF, sway (kick), and maybe even DPS too. I just bought a stack of them the other day, haven't used a Tac since Chromosome, and they kinda blow now. The 400 RMP sounds good, until you start firing and realize that anything over 180 is almost impossible and would likely have you popping off wild shots at the MCC after about 20 rounds.
Same I bought a bunch of them way back but since then i've been exploring other weapons and ARs, then im like "oh **** i still haves some GLU 5's gonna go kick some ass! and I took a couple of test shots and was overjoyed that we finally had a semi auto AR (cus i've always prefered semi over full-auto) . But then I try to shoot someone with it...then that's where it all goes to hell...the entire time i tried using the bloody thing the opponent kept running away cus I just could not get that last shot off! my aim was pure shittastic . |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:05:00 -
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Rush Inamras wrote:Rynoceros wrote:Rush Inamras wrote:Rynoceros wrote:Tactical AR nerf.
They were too good. Now they're too ******.
4 more months til re-buff. Again. I know it used to be a fully automatic, but i didnt know they nerfed it, either way I just want them to buff the ADS sensitivity for more accurate shots. why nerf the aiming!?! thats like...stupid...if thats what you meant by nerf They hit RoF, sway (kick), and maybe even DPS too. I just bought a stack of them the other day, haven't used a Tac since Chromosome, and they kinda blow now. The 400 RMP sounds good, until you start firing and realize that anything over 180 is almost impossible and would likely have you popping off wild shots at the MCC after about 20 rounds. Same I bought a bunch of them way back but since then i've been exploring other weapons and ARs, then im like "oh **** i still haves some GLU 5's gonna go kick some ass! and I took a couple of test shots and was overjoyed that we finally had a semi auto AR (cus i've always prefered semi over full-auto) . But then I try to shoot someone with it...then that's where it all goes to hell...the entire time i tried using the bloody thing the opponent kept running away cus I just could not get that last shot off! my aim was pure shittastic . Like i was even in a situation where there was a bunch of heavies and other players that didnt have my range, pinned in a corner and im thinking THIS was what the gun was for..but no..aiming from afar was worse than close range...ugh This sounds like a deeper problem than a simple stats nerf, imo.
Is aiming intended to act differently on different weapons(i'm not talking about turn rate)? Probably not. |
Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.09.26 12:07:00 -
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Rush Inamras wrote:Why is it that I can aim well with the Semi auto Scrambler rifle but the glu tact feels so jumpy?!
Try powering it off and then back on again. |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:27:00 -
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Rush Inamras wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Oh that, talk to the "We hate everything with A and R remotely close together" crowd Oh and then theres the "We know the scrambler is really good but we need to make sure they keep complaining about the AR so the SCR doesnt get nerfed" guys Not...even o,0? I'm not dissing either gun...I just wanna know why as being both Semis... does one control better than the other? the glu would be a killer if it had as much control (and a better acog) like the scrambler Semi
I'd assume due to the AR having a kick to it due to bullets more so than the lasers cause a scrambler to kick. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.09.26 14:31:00 -
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Plasma has more mass than light. |
Knight Soiaire
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:11:00 -
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The TAC AR is one of the only nerfed weapons to still be useful.
You're all just bad. |
XANDER KAG
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.09.26 15:22:00 -
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Well if you want to get technical the TAR is meant to be a cheap knock off of the Amarr scrambler rifle. So its supposed to be worse lore wise. just maybe not as bad as it is. |
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Rush Inamras
PiZzA DuDeS
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Posted - 2013.09.26 22:17:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:The TAC AR is one of the only nerfed weapons to still be useful.
You're all just bad.
Dude...shut up...your diick only gets smaller from here....
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Rush Inamras
PiZzA DuDeS
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Posted - 2013.09.26 22:21:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:Rush Inamras wrote:Rynoceros wrote:Rush Inamras wrote:Rynoceros wrote:Tactical AR nerf.
They were too good. Now they're too ******.
4 more months til re-buff. Again. I know it used to be a fully automatic, but i didnt know they nerfed it, either way I just want them to buff the ADS sensitivity for more accurate shots. why nerf the aiming!?! thats like...stupid...if thats what you meant by nerf They hit RoF, sway (kick), and maybe even DPS too. I just bought a stack of them the other day, haven't used a Tac since Chromosome, and they kinda blow now. The 400 RMP sounds good, until you start firing and realize that anything over 180 is almost impossible and would likely have you popping off wild shots at the MCC after about 20 rounds. Same I bought a bunch of them way back but since then i've been exploring other weapons and ARs, then im like "oh **** i still haves some GLU 5's gonna go kick some ass! and I took a couple of test shots and was overjoyed that we finally had a semi auto AR (cus i've always prefered semi over full-auto) . But then I try to shoot someone with it...then that's where it all goes to hell...the entire time i tried using the bloody thing the opponent kept running away cus I just could not get that last shot off! my aim was pure shittastic . Like i was even in a situation where there was a bunch of heavies and other players that didnt have my range, pinned in a corner and im thinking THIS was what the gun was for..but no..aiming from afar was worse than close range...ugh This sounds like a deeper problem than a simple stats nerf, imo. Is aiming intended to act differently on different weapons(i'm not talking about turn rate)? Probably not.
Well YYEAH that's what I've been trying to express this entire post! it's like they made it a semi but forgot that it still acts like a full auto assault and forgot to adjust the precision settings?
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Knight Soiaire
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.09.26 22:21:00 -
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Rush Inamras wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:The TAC AR is one of the only nerfed weapons to still be useful.
You're all just bad. Dude...shut up...your diick only gets smaller from here....
I never bragged in that comment.....
I just said everyone else sucked.......
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Knight Soiaire
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.09.26 22:31:00 -
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Rush Inamras wrote:my aim was pure shittastic .
Point proven.
Its not the weapon, its your aim. |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.09.26 22:35:00 -
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Mind you the tac AR is a placeholder, a cheap knockoff, of the scrambler rifle just as the burst is supposed to be a crappier combat rifle they're not supposed to compet against eachother the SCR is ment to be superior period. |
Rush Inamras
PiZzA DuDeS
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Posted - 2013.09.26 22:44:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Mind you the tac AR is a placeholder, a cheap knockoff, of the scrambler rifle just as the burst is supposed to be a crappier combat rifle they're not supposed to compet against eachother the SCR is ment to be superior period.
Mmmmeehh I wouldnt say thaaaattt..I mean when I do hit things with it it packs a frikkin wallop! I dunno about the calculations yet but potentially it could go toe-to-toe with the imperial scrambler rifle..(or...whatever the name is of the proto semi ScR) cept that at most ranges that are past hip fire range (specially far ranges)...the Imperial would win cus It just aims better
Also this is a nit pic...but the acog sight is just a little too thick around the brim for a future weapons game, would be cool to have a cool sci fi sight ...thats more of an aesthetic thing and im just expressing my opinion.. <,< |
Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.09.26 22:45:00 -
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Rush Inamras wrote:Why is it that I can aim well with the Semi auto Scrambler rifle but the glu tact feels so jumpy?! More zoom? |
Athena Sentinel
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.09.26 22:46:00 -
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Rush Inamras wrote:Why is it that I can aim well with the Semi auto Scrambler rifle but the glu tact feels so jumpy?!
They nerfed Tac AR a long time ago.. Screwed my game up a bit, still recovering with the AR normal - lame but go OP or go home.
Tac Nerfs:
Kickback increase huge = "jumpy" clip size 24 to 18
GIMPED - With scope you will not get enough shots on target to get a kill.. and if you fan for it - a 18 size clip will leave you reloading well the others kill you. Most you will get it whole lot of assists as you tag them all at range and others collect the kill. |
Talos Alomar
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.09.26 23:52:00 -
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The Tac AR was never meant to be a good weapon. It's purpose was to give AR specialists a longer range option. It does that job.
It was nerfed previously because it gave AR specced people a weapon that had mind boggling DPS at all ranges. Now when they are picking a variant they know they are sacrificing a lot of DPS to be able to outrange pretty much every weapon out there.
If you want a semi auto rifle that's good enough to stand as a type on it's own and isn't a scrambler rifle you can wait till 1.6 gives us the rail rifle.
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Rush Inamras
PiZzA DuDeS
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Posted - 2013.09.27 01:40:00 -
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Talos Alomar wrote:The Tac AR was never meant to be a good weapon. It's purpose was to give AR specialists a longer range option. It does that job.
It was nerfed previously because it gave AR specced people a weapon that had mind boggling DPS at all ranges. Now when they are picking a variant they know they are sacrificing a lot of DPS to be able to outrange pretty much every weapon out there.
If you want a semi auto rifle that's good enough to stand as a type on it's own and isn't a scrambler rifle you can wait till 1.6 gives us the rail rifle.
Why make a gun..and not make it a...yknow what..**** it, you're probably right about that because it's dust...a very wierd ass experimental game were the oddest updates makes things super op or weaksauce or...completely random, Cus it would be too good of a game to give a semi auto class weapon a non-semi auto type aim when they clearly have other semi-auto guns that work! dammit dust this is why you will not yet become one of the FPS gods...even though your game is free and thats a damn good reason to play this...so I can't really complain...
Also I'm getting overrun with all these new weapons..they dont give out enough SP to really explore all this stuff... |
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.09.27 01:42:00 -
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Rush Inamras wrote:Why is it that I can aim well with the Semi auto Scrambler rifle but the glu tact feels so jumpy?!
Scrambler is AMarr main weapon. It is supposed to be better than its Copy = the glu-5. Same as de ASsault Scrambler Rifle is a sad copy of the Duvolle ARs....
Want jumpy? Use an ASCR.... |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.09.27 01:45:00 -
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AR are getting nerfed to Plasma Rifles. |
KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.09.27 01:50:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:AR are getting nerfed to Plasma Rifles.
Hopefully you'll make the ASCR work again..... : / As it is its outgunned by ANY AR at 25+ mts.... (not damage, but Recoil and bullet dispersion result in more bullets getting in for ARs , making ASCR in anything but CQ useless ....) |
Talos Alomar
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.09.27 03:26:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:AR are getting nerfed to Plasma Rifles. Hopefully you'll make the ASCR work again..... : /As it is its outgunned by ANY AR at 25+ mts.... (not damage, but Recoil and bullet dispersion result in more bullets getting in for ARs , making ASCR in anything but CQ useless ....)
As much as I love my scrambler rifles, this is the way it should be. The ascr is supposed to just be an option for CQC for those specced into SCRs - it shouldn't be a gun that would stand alone as it's own class.
Though truth be told the vanilla SCR can outperform it at CQC too if used correctly. The high alpha of the charge shot and fast high damage follow up volleys makes it hard for most weapons to catch up to.
edit - and the name change makes me really happy. |
KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.09.27 03:32:00 -
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Talos Alomar wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:AR are getting nerfed to Plasma Rifles. Hopefully you'll make the ASCR work again..... : /As it is its outgunned by ANY AR at 25+ mts.... (not damage, but Recoil and bullet dispersion result in more bullets getting in for ARs , making ASCR in anything but CQ useless ....) As much as I love my scrambler rifles, this is the way it should be. The ascr is supposed to just be an option for CQC for those specced into SCRs - it shouldn't be a gun that would stand alone as it's own class. Though truth be told the vanilla SCR can outperform it at CQC too if used correctly. The high alpha of the charge shot and fast high damage follow up volleys makes it hard for most weapons to catch up to. edit - and the name change makes me really happy.
Yeah you have a point.
But im at a point where i feel my ''TOXIN'' Assault rifle without skills in it is a Lot more precise and damaging than my Scrambler Rifle Operation Lv 4 ASCR with Proficiency 4... : / |
Talos Alomar
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.09.27 03:38:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:
Yeah you have a point.
But im at a point where i feel my ''TOXIN'' Assault rifle without skills in it is a Lot more precise and damaging than my Scrambler Rifle Operation Lv 4 ASCR with Proficiency 4... : /
I know what you mean. I've been using an 'exile' and it serves me just fine with 0 skills.
Long term I'd rather see the ASCR turned into something that's not just a re-skinned AR, though. maybe remove all dispersion and crank the heat build up way up so it's more akin to a cutting torch. |
KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.09.27 03:39:00 -
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Talos Alomar wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:
Yeah you have a point.
But im at a point where i feel my ''TOXIN'' Assault rifle without skills in it is a Lot more precise and damaging than my Scrambler Rifle Operation Lv 4 ASCR with Proficiency 4... : /
I know what you mean. I've been using an 'exile' and it serves me just fine with 0 skills. Long term I'd rather see the ASCR turned into something that's not just a re-skinned AR, though. maybe remove all dispersion and crank the heat build up way up so it's more akin to a cutting torch.
Agreed. +1 |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.09.27 04:25:00 -
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yep I gave up on the scrambler rifles because I can shoot better at range with the standard assault version lol.
I don't want the return of the tac rifle, but it could use a minor bump up, while the standard AR's and scrambler rifles need a tone down. |
KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.09.27 04:30:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:yep I gave up on the scrambler rifles because I can shoot better at range with the standard assault version lol.
I don't want the return of the tac rifle, but it could use a minor bump up, while the standard AR's and scrambler rifles need a tone down.
DO.NOT.TOUCH.THE.SCRAMBLER RIFLES.
They are ok.Of course they are powerful they have like 1000 drawbacks.... |
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