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Nguruthos IX
PEN 15 CLUB
1795
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:17:00 -
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I cant seem to find one feature of the suit that it does better than the other 3 options. |
Aisha Ctarl
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1375
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:26:00 -
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It is the poor man's (SP, not ISK Wise) advanced suit without the racial bonus. |
Nguruthos IX
PEN 15 CLUB
1795
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Posted - 2013.09.25 17:44:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:It is the poor man's (SP, not ISK Wise) advanced suit without the racial bonus.
do esplain |
Aaroniero d'Lioncourt
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
110
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:23:00 -
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You need to get it to 3 anyway to unlock the racial variant of the suit.
What i'm wondering about, is why people get prototype basic light/medium/heavy dropsuits.... |
Nguruthos IX
PEN 15 CLUB
1795
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:26:00 -
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Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote:You need to get it to 3 anyway to unlock the racial variant of the suit.
What i'm wondering about, is why people get prototype basic light/medium/heavy dropsuits....
I'm saying the amarr basic medium at least has less slots than all the others. Where Min gets a passive armor regen, others have more HP or something. Amarr medium seems of questionable niche |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
3458
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:27:00 -
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Amarr has more base HP. |
Nguruthos IX
PEN 15 CLUB
1795
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:29:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Amarr has more base HP.
Does it? I'll have to check. If on the basic suit, medium size, advance level, I think that's only like 20HP or something |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
1029
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:30:00 -
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Seems to be a suit that requires minium SP to use and is a good and balanced suit and std and advanced levels, but doesn't offer that much at proto over the first 2 suits(imo)
It also has the highest base ehp and the most CPU/PG iirc. |
Nguruthos IX
PEN 15 CLUB
1795
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:31:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Seems to be a suit that requires minium SP to use and is a good and balanced suit and std and advanced levels, but doesn't offer that much at proto over the first 2 suits(imo)
It also has the highest base ehp and the most CPU/PG iirc.
Yeah it has like 3-5 more CPU/PG I think.
So that's pretty much it? like 5% more HP and a few pg/cpu compared to having an slot or armor regen? |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
1585
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:38:00 -
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Higher base HP. That's the general idea behind all Amarr suits. The dual tank makes it more versatile in survivability options too. |
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
1029
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Posted - 2013.09.25 18:43:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Seems to be a suit that requires minium SP to use and is a good and balanced suit and std and advanced levels, but doesn't offer that much at proto over the first 2 suits(imo)
It also has the highest base ehp and the most CPU/PG iirc. Yeah it has like 3-5 more CPU/PG I think. So that's pretty much it? like 5% more HP and a few pg/cpu compared to having an slot or armor regen?
I'd kill for 2-5 more base PG on my Gallente suits. It's the trade off, less slots but able to fit quality mods in them. |
FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
577
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Posted - 2013.09.25 19:02:00 -
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You only use Amarr medium suits for either be a logibro with a sidearm or get the heat build up bonus from the assault suit. There's no reason to use basic medium frame.
-XOXO |
Assert Dominance
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
387
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Posted - 2013.09.25 19:13:00 -
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Laserrr, scramblerrrr, god repssss |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles
125
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Posted - 2013.09.25 19:19:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:I cant seem to find one feature of the suit that it does better than the other 3 options.
The medium suits where designed originally as a stop off before proto assault or Logistic's suits... so you had a viable option without the role bonus's.
CCP made the SP sink's way to large for a game launch... Though it balanced some of the veteran players from getting the exact same build roughly they had in chromosome.. it hurt the new players more.
CCP reduced the requirement from needing lvl 5 medium to needing lvl 3....
IMO it was an entire suit class designed for a SP sink... which made no sense as we didn't even have the full set of racial suits... The time that was taken on Proto Basic medium suit's that aren't even used at this stage of DUST...was... just lack of someone with a big picture in their head calling them on it.
We all told CCP, the people who any knew better, it was going to be a massive problem on launch when we got a very vague dev blog about the SP tree... They of course ignored us and went through it anyway...
To eventually remove the need for proto basic medium frame suit's all together as you can get into better assault and logistic's suit with that SP instead.
Further nerfing the people who actually specialized and opening the door's for a more generic cookie cutter suit build. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
1431
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Posted - 2013.09.25 19:24:00 -
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Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote:You need to get it to 3 anyway to unlock the racial variant of the suit.
What i'm wondering about, is why people get prototype basic light/medium/heavy dropsuits....
No idea why you would do it today. I got my Minmatar Medium and Light to 5 because it used to be necessary to unlock the specializations. CCP made them irrelevant by backing down to the whiners. If they hadn't jacked up the SP prices so high it would have been fine to leave the requirement at 5. How a dropsuit is as hard to train as an EVE Battleship I have no idea.
EDIT: Simultaneous post with Bethhy. He said it better. |
Aleksander Black
Immortal Retribution
123
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Posted - 2013.09.25 19:28:00 -
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Every medium suit has its flavor. Amarr is slow, high stamina, dual tank with more overall ehp than normal, fewer slots and higher fitting stats. The role bonus is pretty big and you should get it asap. Amarr suits favour resilience and firepower over mobility or versatility, it may not be suited for you, thats ok, but in the right hands its strenghts can be played to great effect. |
Nguruthos IX
PEN 15 CLUB
1797
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Posted - 2013.09.25 19:28:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:I cant seem to find one feature of the suit that it does better than the other 3 options. The medium suits where designed originally as a stop off before proto assault or Logistic's suits... so you had a viable option without the role bonus's. CCP made the SP sink's way to large for a game launch... Though it balanced some of the veteran players from getting the exact same build roughly they had in chromosome.. it hurt the new players more. CCP reduced the requirement from needing lvl 5 medium to needing lvl 3.... IMO it was an entire suit class designed for a SP sink... which made no sense as we didn't even have the full set of racial suits... The time that was taken on Proto Basic medium suit's that aren't even used at this stage of DUST...was... just lack of someone with a big picture in their head calling them on it.We all told CCP, the people who any knew better, it was going to be a massive problem on launch when we got a very vague dev blog about the SP tree... They of course ignored us and went through it anyway... To eventually remove the need for proto basic medium frame suit's all together as you can get into better assault and logistic's suit with that SP instead. Further nerfing the people who actually specialized and opening the door's for a more generic cookie cutter suit build.
Sounds like missing Executive Director Syndrome.
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Everything Dies
Chatelain Rapid Response
Gallente Federation
119
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Posted - 2013.09.25 19:28:00 -
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Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote:You need to get it to 3 anyway to unlock the racial variant of the suit.
What i'm wondering about, is why people get prototype basic light/medium/heavy dropsuits....
Because it was easier for me (on this character) to go from lv.3 to lv.5 in basic, than to get to lv.3 basic and start from scratch with the lv.1 assault suit. This was before 1.4, when I was under the impression that the extra slots would be beneficial to keeping me alive on the battlefield; now they're only useful for my sniper/swarm builds and I've gone back to the advanced basic suit for CQC. I'll probably just focus on skilling into the passive bonuses (armor/shield/weapon proficiency/etc.) before trying to go after the assault suit.
My alt currently runs an advanced assault suit, and I can't say that I have any plans of grinding for the proto anytime in the near future.
Honestly, I find it odd that a lv.1 specialized suit is weaker than the lv.3 basic, which you need in order to unlock the specialized ones. CCP should change this to prevent having to sink a whole bunch of SP into suits that will grant you little benefit (i.e. going from lv.3 basic to lv.3 assault instead of simply going to lv.5 basic.) |
1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
145
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Posted - 2013.09.25 20:17:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:I cant seem to find one feature of the suit that it does better than the other 3 options. The medium suits where designed originally as a stop off before proto assault or Logistic's suits... so you had a viable option without the role bonus's. CCP made the SP sink's way to large for a game launch... Though it balanced some of the veteran players from getting the exact same build roughly they had in chromosome.. it hurt the new players more. CCP reduced the requirement from needing lvl 5 medium to needing lvl 3.... IMO it was an entire suit class designed for a SP sink... which made no sense as we didn't even have the full set of racial suits... The time that was taken on Proto Basic medium suit's that aren't even used at this stage of DUST...was... just lack of someone with a big picture in their head calling them on it. We all told CCP, the people who any knew better, it was going to be a massive problem on launch when we got a very vague dev blog about the SP tree... They of course ignored us and went through it anyway... To eventually remove the need for proto basic medium frame suit's all together as you can get into better assault and logistic's suit with that SP instead. Further nerfing the people who actually specialized and opening the door's for a more generic cookie cutter suit build.
I think ccp should make the basic frames the type B and vk.1 version of each dropsuit like in chromosome, that way we would have incentive to use them, at least i would. |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
1805
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Posted - 2013.09.25 20:18:00 -
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Aaroniero d'Lioncourt wrote:You need to get it to 3 anyway to unlock the racial variant of the suit.
What i'm wondering about, is why people get prototype basic light/medium/heavy dropsuits....
It's less SP intensive to get the basic Prototype than the role specific Prototype. |
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Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
352
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Posted - 2013.09.25 20:42:00 -
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The Basic Medium suits get absolutely no racial bonus, the Assault and Logi variants do. |
Nguruthos IX
PEN 15 CLUB
1799
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Posted - 2013.09.25 20:53:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:The Basic Medium suits get absolutely no racial bonus, the Assault and Logi variants do.
Oh.
But the question pertained to the basic medium amarr advanced level, compared to the other racial of the exact same tier and type. |
Nguruthos IX
PEN 15 CLUB
1799
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Posted - 2013.09.25 20:56:00 -
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Id have to log on to transcribe all the stats
maybe ill do that later. |
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